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Ekeke said:
Yes I'm sure you know more about Brazilian football than a Gremio supporter. :rolleyes:

He said to think more like Kleberson than Anderson or Ronaldinho because thats his level. Not a superstar name. At least not yet.
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I do not proclaim to be an expert on Brazilian football, but let's be fair, your 'friend' didn't really provide anything of any particular substance about the player and then used a sloppy comparison with a player who flopped for us.

Not exactly useful really was it?
 
datura said:
I do not proclaim to be an expert on Brazilian football, but let's be fair, your 'friend' didn't really provide anything of any particular substance about the player and then used a sloppy comparison with a player who flopped for us.

Not exactly useful really was it?
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You're seeing what you want to see. Its hard to communicate with fanboys.
 
Ekeke said:
You're seeing what you want to see. Its hard to communicate with fanboys.
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Ekeke said:
You're seeing what you want to see. Its hard to communicate with fanboys.
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You are a little confused I think.. He was trying to say that they both play different roles as individuals and you obviously meant to say that he is on the same level as Kleberson (potential-wise)
 
Ekeke said:
You're seeing what you want to see. Its hard to communicate with fanboys.
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Don't be a plum, i'm pretty far from a 'fanboy'. I don't really have a strong opinion on his signing either way as I have never seen the boy play other than the youtube vids everyone's seen, and read the odd article on him.

It's pretty obvious he's pretty well regarded and a number of top teams are tracking him. Whether he'll be a great player in the future who knows?
 
Chirag said:
You are a little confused I think.. He was trying to say that they both play different roles as individuals and you obviously meant to say that he is on the same level as Kleberson (potential-wise)
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I didnt mean anything.

The comparison to Kleberson was made by a friend who supports Gremio and has been explained already before datura mentioned it.

To dismiss the opinion just because someone compared his abilty right now to Kleberson's, suggests to me this person is a fanboy who cant be reasoned with unless I make a youtube video to explain it. It seems from his response this isnt the case. But thats what it suggested.

datura said:
Don't be a plum, i'm pretty far from a 'fanboy'. I don't really have a strong opinion on his signing either way as I have never seen the boy play other than the youtube vids everyone's seen, and read the odd article on him.

It's pretty obvious he's pretty well regarded and a number of top teams are tracking him. Whether he'll be a great player in the future who knows?
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I certainly havent said any different. Just like nobody compared an attacking midfielder to a box to box midfielder. ;) So yes, I agree. Who knows? Nobody in this thread. Except Alex.
 
gaffs said:
From Tim Vickery - Jan 09. Sorry if this has been posted before....

Douglas Costa is a left-footed attacking midfielder of rare talent who made an immediate impression last year when he got into the Gremio first team - but then the global hype machine went into overdrive.

Before he had played three senior games he was already being linked with Manchester United and Real Madrid. From anonymity to "world's most wanted" lists inside a month - it is a huge burden for a teenager to carry.

Douglas Costa has looked like a man over-eager to live up to his billing in both the matches Brazil have played so far. He has been trying to do too much, running down blind alleys and falling over in search of a cheap free-kick.

He was taken off at half time in the last match against Bolivia, and as his replacement Tales scored the winner, Douglas might find it hard to get back in again.

But, unlike Reimond Manco, at least Douglas Costa still has time left to leave a positive impression in the 2009 South American under-20 Championships.
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Hm.

Kleberson: Made for the Premiership

By Tim Vickery

Kleberson had a superb World Cup
It is difficult to think of a Brazilian midfielder more suited to the Premiership than Kleberson.
In his native land most midfielders specialise in either defensive or attacking duties - like, for example, Gilberto Silva and Juninho.

But Kleberson is a genuine all-rounder. He is firm in the tackle, he can run all day, he can pass long or short with either foot and frequently gets on the scoresheet.

The 24-year-old had a superb World Cup. In the final he was the best player on the field after Ronaldo.

Once the tournament was over, his club, Atletico Paranaense, thought it would be easy to cash in on their most valuable property.

At any other time they would surely have been right. But with the collapse in the European transfer market, suddenly there were no buyers around who were prepared to pay Atletico's price.

As a result it has not been an easy year for Kleberson.

Uncertain of his future, and with the feeling that he had little left to achieve in Brazilian football, it was perhaps inevitable that his form tailed off.

On several occasions he was singled out for boos from the Atletico supporters.

To make matters worse, his international place is also in jeopardy.

In the aftermath of the Confederations Cup, Brazil coach Carlos Alberto Parreira has talked of his preference for fielding two midfield anchormen, a formation which would probably leave Kleberson out in the cold.

The move to Manchester United, then, comes as a godsend for a very talented player who is seeking to regain the momentum that last year made him a World Cup winner.
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Spoony! said:
Yep. When Ekekekekeeke calls someone a fanboy - you it's probably the best example of irony, ever. Ever.
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Sure. Name one player I've never seen play football that I'll defend to the ends of the earth.
 
Ekeke said:
I didnt mean anything.

The comparison to Kleberson was made by a friend who supports Gremio and has been explained already before datura mentioned it.

To dismiss the opinion just because someone compared his abilty right now to Kleberson's, suggests to me this person is a fanboy who cant be reasoned with unless I make a youtube video to explain it. It seems from his response this isnt the case. But thats what it suggested.
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Relax man I know about all this.. I was just trying to sort things out... I have been reading every post in this thread.. infact I try to read almost every post in every thread..

I was just putting it out there so that he can understand what your Gremio fan who was on MSN with you tried to mean by saying "think more like Kleberson"
 
Chirag said:
Relax man I know about all this.. I was just trying to sort things out... I have been reading every post in this thread.. infact I try to read almost every post in every thread..

I was just putting it out there so that he can understand what your Gremio fan who was on MSN with you tried to mean by saying "think more like Kleberson"
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Absolutely. And I'm always calm, dont you worry. At least on here - its just the internet. Some people see this as a social networking site. Those are the people who may lose their calm in certain situations.
 
Chirag said:
I was just putting it out there so that he can understand what your Gremio fan who was on MSN with you tried to mean by saying "think more like Kleberson"
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It's still a pretty poor comparison in my opinion as they are, from what I've seen and read, completely different players. Someone mentioned Denilson and that would be a decent comparison as both are left footed attacking players.

It would be like someone saying of Obertan, 'think more like Fletcher'.
 
Only a year younger than Obertan, and seems to have the same problem as him, can't get into their side. Yet one is rated as 20m and we should pay that much to get him, while the other one we bought cheaply get slated because he was loaned out last season..
 
Wan said:
Only a year younger than Obertan, and seems to have the same problem as him, can't get into their side. Yet one is rated as 20m and we should pay that much to get him, while the other one we bought cheaply get slated because he was loaned out last season..
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To be fair to the cafe, one's brazillian and the other looks like the love child of mickey. So OBVIOUSLY we should splash out £20 mill for costa or I think Fergie should resign with a bit of dignity, losing out on Benzema was the last straw, if we had mourinho he'd have changed Benzema's mind and made him dream of united.

I'm not saying fergie out but the signing of Owen, is the signing of a man who's losing it a bit. So Fergie retirement maybe?
 
Devil_forever said:
To be fair to the cafe, one's brazillian and the other looks like the love child of mickey. So OBVIOUSLY we should splash out £20 mill for costa or I think Fergie should resign with a bit of dignity, losing out on Benzema was the last straw, if we had mourinho he'd have changed Benzema's mind and made him dream of united.

I'm not saying fergie out but the signing of Owen, is the signing of a man who's losing it a bit. So Fergie retirement maybe?
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Is this a joke?
 
lao said:
Donate £20M to United then.
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To be fair, Madrid did that already. Fact is, good players are expensive, particularly this summer, but as I have said before, this has allowed us to sell a player for £80m ourselves.

It's up to us to pay the going rate for the players we want, or to settle for less. We seem to have chosen the latter, despite having money to spend more. Take Benzema, I read quotes from Fergie this morning that we refused to match Lyon's price, which was £30m. If we don't wish to pay top dollar, we can't get the top players.

I just don't want us to turn into Arsenal. Sell a player for £10m, but unwilling to spend more than £5m to replace him.

Rant over, now call me names!
 
Yeap. Let's buy Benzema to replace Ronaldo and play him on the wing. Or maybe one of Berba/Rooney could play there. Happy days! Whoopee..
 
kanchelskis14 said:
To be fair, Madrid did that already. Fact is, good players are expensive, particularly this summer, but as I have said before, this has allowed us to sell a player for £80m ourselves.

It's up to us to pay the going rate for the players we want, or to settle for less. We seem to have chosen the latter, despite having money to spend more. Take Benzema, I read quotes from Fergie this morning that we refused to match Lyon's price, which was £30m. If we don't wish to pay top dollar, we can't get the top players.

I just don't want us to turn into Arsenal. Sell a player for £10m, but unwilling to spend more than £5m to replace him.

Rant over, now call me names!
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Erm... We sold Beckham and replaced him with a player that cost half as much. Did that makes us "turn into Arsenal"?
 
I think Kleberson could have done a job at a midtable club but it was always going to be tough to play as a central midfielder in a traditional English 4-4-2 in the Premier League.

Anyways, Costa looks the part but it's all down to the fee. I have no doubt that if he stays on at Gremio and has a great season, he'll be highly sought after next year. At the right price i'd take a chance on him, even if he doesn't become the next Ronaldo he could still be a useful player and add depth to the squad or be sold on for a hefty profit.
 
Ekeke said:
Hm.
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And your point is?

Tim Vickery expected Kleberson to do well at United, as did everyone else at the time, Alex Ferguson included.

I do believe that SAF is on record as being extremely disappointed with the way Kleberson's time at the club panned out as he still believes he could have been a great player for United.

How can you possibly expect us to believe you know more about these things than Tim Vickery, let alone Alex Ferguson and his scouts?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
And your point is?

Tim Vickery expected Kleberson to do well at United, as did everyone else at the time, Alex Ferguson included.

I do believe that SAF is on record as being extremely disappointed with the way Kleberson's time at the club panned out as he still believes he could have been a great player for United.

How can you possibly expect us to believe you know more about these things than Tim Vickery, let alone Alex Ferguson and his scouts?
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Absolutely not everyone.

I posted the article because the Costa one reminded me of the Kleberson one, thats all. The one he has written about Costa endorses the player a lot less than that one.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Erm... We sold Beckham and replaced him with a player that cost half as much. Did that makes us "turn into Arsenal"?
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Erm...no Pogue, it didn't. Which isn't even the point. The point is the idea of playing the profit and loss game with your signings as opposed to focussing on the best man for the job. Incidentally, Ronaldo, as a fairly untested 18 year old at the time, was not cheap.

Also, the players we are refusing to pay the price for this summer cost half or less than Ronaldo was sold for in some cases, yet we are still unwilling to pay. We aren't even talking about buying an £80m replacement, but we are seemingly reluctant to replace our most important player, and a huge loss in our team with players that cost even 50% less.
 
kanchelskis14 said:
It's up to us to pay the going rate for the players we want, or to settle for less. We seem to have chosen the latter, despite having money to spend more. Take Benzema, I read quotes from Fergie this morning that we refused to match Lyon's price, which was £30m. If we don't wish to pay top dollar, we can't get the top players.
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Probably SAF was hiding a little bit the fact that the player preferred Real to us. I think we would have matched their price, but we knew we had to overbid them, and maybe by quite a bit.
 
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kanchelskis14 said:
Erm...no Pogue, it didn't. Which isn't even the point. The point is the idea of playing the profit and loss game with your signings as opposed to focussing on the best man for the job. Incidentally, Ronaldo, as a fairly untested 18 year old at the time, was not cheap.

Also, the players we are refusing to pay the price for this summer cost half or less than Ronaldo was sold for in some cases, yet we are still unwilling to pay. We aren't even talking about buying an £80m replacement, but we are seemingly reluctant to replace our most important player, and a huge loss in our team with players that cost even 50% less.
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We are not Real Madrid — obviously. Using them (or City, or Chelsea) as a barometer in the transfer market is doomed to failure. I'm not suggesting that you are, but it is Real Madrid's grotesque expenditure that has directly and indirectly contributed to this situation.

All three of those clubs have unique circumstances. Real Madrid have borrowed almost all of the money that they have spent on transfer fee's this summer, at unbelievably — some would say, corrupt — favourable rates. And there is almost no pressure on them to service that debt.

But, clearly we have been given a lump sum of £80m. So, who should we spend it on, and what if none of the players that you or I admire are deemed good enough or value for money by Sir Alex? What if? Alternatively, as was the case with Benzema, some players would prefer to play their football elsewhere.

That we have £80m in the bank, and that you believe that we need to improve our squad due to the loss of Ronaldo, says absolutely nothing about the availability and value of the players that Sir Alex would like to sign. Unless you know more than I do, on what basis are you able to criticize the club for not signing players that, neither you nor I even know about?
 
kanchelskis14 said:
Erm...no Pogue, it didn't. Which isn't even the point. The point is the idea of playing the profit and loss game with your signings as opposed to focussing on the best man for the job. Incidentally, Ronaldo, as a fairly untested 18 year old at the time, was not cheap.

Also, the players we are refusing to pay the price for this summer cost half or less than Ronaldo was sold for in some cases, yet we are still unwilling to pay. We aren't even talking about buying an £80m replacement, but we are seemingly reluctant to replace our most important player, and a huge loss in our team with players that cost even 50% less.
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Oh right, since we got a load of money for Ronaldo, all tranfer fees are considered as a % of what he costs. Sorry but thats mental.

SAF obviously thought £40m was too much to pay for Benzema (not that he would have signed for us anyway). That's got everything to do with what a massive sum of money that would be and feck all to do with what we sold Ronaldo for. If any business had a bumper year they would still be just as prudent when it comes to future spending. You don't spend silly money just because you earn silly money. That's the way businesses run, it's not a computer game where any money left at the end of the game is wasted.

By the way, who are all these "players we are refusing to pay the price for"? Have I missed something? I've heard some speculative links for a few players this summer, just like every summer, but if you're aware of any other players we've definitely missed out on - through refusing to pay a fair price - please name them.
 
Ekeke said:
Not everyone writes articles. Assuming that was your mistake.
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Oh, thanks for setting me straight. Convenient that you've no proof then - I mean, a single quote would do.

All I'm saying is that at the time he moved to United, it was generally assumed Kleberson would be a success - Vickery's article is a reflection of this. I don't think, for example, that many seasoned watchers of South American football would have guessed that out of Kleberson and Gliberto Silva, it would be the latter that would have a prolonged and successful PL career.
 
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