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I wonder how long it will be till Brazilian clubs start disguising their most talented footballer in lots of different ways, making up loads of cool footballer sounding names, and selling them all for £10m a pop, sending over some numpty off the streets...

...or maybe it's started already.
funny you say that....

this happened before - after brazil won the 94 world cup they went on a world tour.... the qualified as winners so they travelled the world playing expensive (for the hosts) friendlies and giving caps to lots of unknown brazilian based players

one player who benefited was the aptly named rafael scheidt signed by celtic and who turned out to be complete and utter shite

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/920573.stm
 
:lol:

I'd take a gamble of 10 million on this kid, because:

A.) It's not my money
B.) We need a foreign scapegoat alongside our new English one, Owen.

from what I've gathered, Gremio fans don't think he's all that special. Of course, Drifter, Devilish and Alex will tell you otherswise - but it's worrying that his ability has been questioned by his own fans.

I'd much rather we bought an established player.
 
funny you say that....

this happened before - after brazil won the 94 world cup they went on a world tour.... the qualified as winners so they travelled the world playing expensive (for the hosts) friendlies and giving caps to lots of unknown brazilian based players

one player who benefited was the aptly named rafael scheidt signed by celtic and who turned out to be complete and utter shite

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/920573.stm

Let's hope they've developed the naming a bit since then. I mean they were giving enough clues...
 
if we are in the market for a wide player.....

costa for 10 million-ish

or 15 or so that would probably get you arjen robben

i know where my money would be going.....

do we really need another wide player?
 
from what I've gathered, Gremio fans don't think he's all that special. Of course, Drifter, Devilish and Alex will tell you otherswise - but it's worrying that his ability has been questioned by his own fans.

I'd much rather we bought an established player.

I agree with you on this. We also have far too many young wingers who themselves need quite a bit of playing time to develop, so buying another one might be detrimental, anyway who are we to question SAF. I remember thinking we had bought Evra needlessly (as we had sufficient cover) but look how that worked out.
 
I've never seen him play, but heck, he's the next Possebon.

From what i gather - Costa's gonna be the:

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from what I've gathered, Gremio fans don't think he's all that special. Of course, Drifter, Devilish and Alex will tell you otherswise - but it's worrying that his ability has been questioned by his own fans.

I'd much rather we bought an established player.

That's interesting, how highly rated was CR by Sporting fans as his time as a youngster there? At the end of the day, it's all down to SAF and if SAF does see something in this lad, then that'll be enough for me - should we sign him. But if we don't, I wouldn't cry myself to sleep at night. You can bloody well guarantee if we don't sign him though, Porto or some obscure team will, then he'll sign for Ajax or somewhere - then onto Barcelona where he'll win a CL and a world cup with Brazil. If however we sign him, we'll have a mutant mix of Lee Miller and Kleberson.

An established midfielder or another Striker? (Or Both)
 
Hmmm almost 8-10 papers seem to be running the story.. I wonder..
 
That's interesting, how highly rated was CR by Sporting fans as his time as a youngster there? At the end of the day, it's all down to SAF and if SAF does see something in this lad, then that'll be enough for me - should we sign him. But if we don't, I wouldn't cry myself to sleep at night. You can bloody well guarantee if we don't sign him though, Porto or some obscure team will, then he'll sign for Ajax or somewhere - then onto Barcelona where he'll win a CL and a world cup with Brazil. If however we sign him, we'll have a mutant mix of Lee Miller and Kleberson.

An established midfielder or another Striker? (Or Both)

Well, they had two very highly rated youngsters - Ronaldo and Quaresma. I think Ronaldo only played a handful games for Sporting but his performance against us, prompted Fergie to sign him up a season earlier.

An established midfielder. Frankly, that's what we're missing - a Scholes type player.
 
I was in costa coffee this morning - complete coincidence

I have a good feeling about this
 
Well, they had two very highly rated youngsters - Ronaldo and Quaresma. I think Ronaldo only played a handful games for Sporting but his performance against us, prompted Fergie to sign him up a season earlier.

An established midfielder. Frankly, that's what we're missing - a Scholes type player.

Perhaps indicates that while it is worrying what the fans think, it's very often not to be taken as gospel. We probably under-rate Nani here at United, (just an example, like) he's obviously very talented but I hear lots saying he isn't United quality.

I agree we miss a Scholes type player but sadly he's more than likely harder to replace than Ronaldo, Rooney reminds me at times of Scholes. I guess your thinking of the Sneijder's and De Rossi's of this world.
 
Perhaps indicates that while it is worrying what the fans think, it's very often not to be taken as gospel. We probably under-rate Nani here at United, (just an example, like) he's obviously very talented but I hear lots saying he isn't United quality.

I agree we miss a Scholes type player but sadly he's more than likely harder to replace than Ronaldo, Rooney reminds me at times of Scholes. I guess your thinking of the Sneijder's and De Rossi's of this world.

I'd give Arsenal £40m for Fabergas. As for Costa - we'll see. That's even if we're interested.
 
I'd give Arsenal £40m for Fabergas. As for Costa - we'll see. That's even if we're interested.

Yeah, whether we are interested or not in Costa does remain to be seen. I imagine Fabregas only has eyes for Spain, sadly, because he is a great midfielder. £40 million would be hard for Arsenal to ignore however.
 
Well, they had two very highly rated youngsters - Ronaldo and Quaresma. I think Ronaldo only played a handful games for Sporting but his performance against us, prompted Fergie to sign him up a season earlier.
Let's arrange a friendly match with Gremio!
 
I'd give Arsenal £40m for Fabergas. As for Costa - we'll see. That's even if we're interested.

Yeah, whether we are interested or not in Costa does remain to be seen. I imagine Fabregas only has eyes for Spain, sadly, because he is a great midfielder. £40 million would be hard for Arsenal to ignore however.

Surely we were interested.. With the trial being rejected and stuff..
 
"No more signing's this summer" - Sir Alex from SSN press conference.
 
Are Manchester United being conned over Douglas Costa?

July 13, 2009
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Pitaco do gringo’s Brazilian football blog

Douglas Costa: over rated and over priced?

Weekend reports in the British press have again linked Grêmio’s Douglas Costa with Manchester United.

The Premier League club have apparently been chasing the 18-year-old midfielder for more than a year. Now they may be close to getting their man in a cut-price deal, which could see Costa moving initially for as little as £7 million plus performance-related add-ons.

While it’s normal to see the British tabloids filling their pages with wild speculation, this weekend’s reports came from The Guardian, Independent and The Times.

According to The Guardian, Costa is being championed by Manchester United’s chief scout in Brazil, John Calvert-Toulmin.

The article talks about “the talented 18-year-old who has been hailed as “the new Ronaldinho” in his country” ….. and goes on to say …. “Manchester City are also aware of Costa’s burgeoning reputation …. adding “Grêmio is the club where Ronaldinho made his breakthrough and Costa has obvious similarities in terms of his ability to run with the ball and beat opponents from his favoured role between midfield and attack, as well as being a free-kick specialist.”

The Independent article is essentially a rehash of the Guardian post but makes slightly more grandiose claims in that “Costa is a free-kick specialist resonant of Cristiano Ronaldo and his close control has produced goals which the departed Portuguese would have cherished.”

All well and good. The only problem is that Douglas Costa has failed to perform any of these acts of genius in a league or cup game for Grêmio.

The teenager is currently injured but even when fit he rarely starts a match for the first team. Costa’s fame abroad far exceeds his reputation here in Brazil where he is certainly not regarded as the ‘next Ronaldinho Gaúcho’, he is definitely not famed for his free-kicks and any comparison with Cristiano Ronaldo would leave even the most ardent Grêmio fan in stitches.

The only thing Douglas Costa has done to date is manage to put in a few decent performances for Brazil’s Under 20s.

This is common place in a country that wheels out talented players seemingly on a daily basis. Some do go on to be the real article. Though many next big things such as Corinthians’ Lulinha and now perhaps Neymar at Santos, have struggled to reproduce the form they displayed for Brazil’s junior sides in the more demanding Brazilian league.

Manchester United seem dead keen on getting their man. But just where have they got the idea that Costa is all the things he’s cracked up to be? Grêmio have played 41 games already this season. Costa has made just 15 appearances and has failed to score a single goal. Something does not quite add up. United and their scouts are either the best potential spotters in the business or they are having the wool pulled over their eyes big time.

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Worrying??

Another Brazillian article that agrees with my Gremio supporting friend. Seems the Brazillians dont rate him as highly as Alex does from the 'few games he's' supposedly 'watched'.
 
Another Brazillian article that agrees with my Gremio supporting friend. Seems the Brazillians dont rate him as highly as Alex does from the 'few games he's' supposedly 'watched'.

I would be surprised if SAF has watched any games personally apart from highlights reels. Our apparent reluctance to pay the buyout clause in addition to asking to see him on loan indicates that we are also not wholly convinced about him.

You cannot say that he isn't a talent when you saw the highlights of the South American youth cup (can't remember what age group it was) and it's not unusual for a young player to take a while to adapt to senior football. I doubt we will stop watching him, much like Obertan, it's probably a wait and see and pounce when or if we think he's ready or walk away if not.
 
I would be surprised if SAF has watched any games personally apart from highlights reels. Our apparent reluctance to pay the buyout clause in addition to asking to see him on loan indicates that we are also not wholly convinced about him.

You cannot say that he isn't a talent when you saw the highlights of the South American youth cup (can't remember what age group it was) and it's not unusual for a young player to take a while to adapt to senior football. I doubt we will stop watching him, much like Obertan, it's probably a wait and see and pounce when or if we think he's ready or walk away if not.

I agree with this. I doubt we will buy him this summer because we are well stocked from the wings and also we are not 100% convinced yet. I suspect our scouts will continue to watch his progress and if Sir Alex gets more glowing reports then we may make a move in the future. Right now it is not wise to spend a large amount of money on a player that has everything to prove. He is a talent but many emerge from Brazil and then slip under the radar again.
 
Thing is though, if he's not rated by his club or Gremio fans, they wouldn't ask for exorbitant sums. His club knows how much he is worth, far more than we do.
 
No odds what we all think about him now,he aint coming.20 m for this lad if that what they were asking would be madness
 
I would be surprised if SAF has watched any games personally apart from highlights reels. Our apparent reluctance to pay the buyout clause in addition to asking to see him on loan indicates that we are also not wholly convinced about him.

You cannot say that he isn't a talent when you saw the highlights of the South American youth cup (can't remember what age group it was) and it's not unusual for a young player to take a while to adapt to senior football. I doubt we will stop watching him, much like Obertan, it's probably a wait and see and pounce when or if we think he's ready or walk away if not.

He's a talent but I'll wait until Gremio fans are telling me he's living up to his potential somewhat instead of thinking he's the new Ronaldinho, spending his time making rap videos instead of putting in the effort on the pitch - before saying we should spend 20 million on him.

Denilson was another left footed wonder kid that went for 20 million. And when a Gremio supporter says he's less like a new Ronaldinho or a new Anderson and to "think Kleberson" instead, it should make people hold their horses, close their football manager and wait till he proves something at Gremio before they *** their weiners.
 
Thing is though, if he's not rated by his club or Gremio fans, they wouldn't ask for exorbitant sums. His club knows how much he is worth, far more than we do.

He's Brazilian and Gremio have a reputation for young players with lots of potential after Ronaldinho and Anderson.

The fact they ask for it means nothing. The fact we wanted him on trial and did not pay it says everything.
 
Denilson was another left footed wonder kid that went for 20 million. And when a Gremio supporter says he's less like a new Ronaldinho or a new Anderson and to "think Kleberson" instead, it should make people hold their horses, close their football manager and wait till he proves something at Gremio before they *** their weiners.

The fact that someone compares an attacking midfielder/support striker to Kleberson immediately makes me think he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about as they are completely different types of player.
 
With all due respect but a club can say that their player is the next this or that but ultimately its the buying club who will make decisions. If he is good then they will sign him, if not then they won't. That's why Manchester United employs scouts.
 
The fact that someone compares an attacking midfielder/support striker to Kleberson immediately makes me think he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about as they are completely different types of player.

Yes I'm sure you know more about Brazilian football than a Gremio supporter. :rolleyes:

He said to think more like Kleberson than Anderson or Ronaldinho because thats his level. Not a superstar name. At least not yet.
 
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