Spoony
The People's President
I've never seen him play, but heck, he's the next Possebon.
All the players of the world should, loving each other wholeheartedly
Yes It's All Right,
Take my message to Gremio, sayin' Costa's price?
Costa lot?
I hope not.
funny you say that....I wonder how long it will be till Brazilian clubs start disguising their most talented footballer in lots of different ways, making up loads of cool footballer sounding names, and selling them all for £10m a pop, sending over some numpty off the streets...
...or maybe it's started already.
I'd take a gamble of 10 million on this kid, because:
A.) It's not my money
B.) We need a foreign scapegoat alongside our new English one, Owen.
funny you say that....
this happened before - after brazil won the 94 world cup they went on a world tour.... the qualified as winners so they travelled the world playing expensive (for the hosts) friendlies and giving caps to lots of unknown brazilian based players
one player who benefited was the aptly named rafael scheidt signed by celtic and who turned out to be complete and utter shite
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/920573.stm
from what I've gathered, Gremio fans don't think he's all that special. Of course, Drifter, Devilish and Alex will tell you otherswise - but it's worrying that his ability has been questioned by his own fans.
I'd much rather we bought an established player.
I've never seen him play, but heck, he's the next Possebon.
from what I've gathered, Gremio fans don't think he's all that special. Of course, Drifter, Devilish and Alex will tell you otherswise - but it's worrying that his ability has been questioned by his own fans.
I'd much rather we bought an established player.
That's interesting, how highly rated was CR by Sporting fans as his time as a youngster there? At the end of the day, it's all down to SAF and if SAF does see something in this lad, then that'll be enough for me - should we sign him. But if we don't, I wouldn't cry myself to sleep at night. You can bloody well guarantee if we don't sign him though, Porto or some obscure team will, then he'll sign for Ajax or somewhere - then onto Barcelona where he'll win a CL and a world cup with Brazil. If however we sign him, we'll have a mutant mix of Lee Miller and Kleberson.
An established midfielder or another Striker? (Or Both)
Well, they had two very highly rated youngsters - Ronaldo and Quaresma. I think Ronaldo only played a handful games for Sporting but his performance against us, prompted Fergie to sign him up a season earlier.
An established midfielder. Frankly, that's what we're missing - a Scholes type player.
Perhaps indicates that while it is worrying what the fans think, it's very often not to be taken as gospel. We probably under-rate Nani here at United, (just an example, like) he's obviously very talented but I hear lots saying he isn't United quality.
I agree we miss a Scholes type player but sadly he's more than likely harder to replace than Ronaldo, Rooney reminds me at times of Scholes. I guess your thinking of the Sneijder's and De Rossi's of this world.
I'd give Arsenal £40m for Fabergas. As for Costa - we'll see. That's even if we're interested.
Let's arrange a friendly match with Gremio!Well, they had two very highly rated youngsters - Ronaldo and Quaresma. I think Ronaldo only played a handful games for Sporting but his performance against us, prompted Fergie to sign him up a season earlier.
I'd give Arsenal £40m for Fabergas. As for Costa - we'll see. That's even if we're interested.
Yeah, whether we are interested or not in Costa does remain to be seen. I imagine Fabregas only has eyes for Spain, sadly, because he is a great midfielder. £40 million would be hard for Arsenal to ignore however.
This kid is nothing special, Obertan has more ability than Costa..
Gota love the caf
Are Manchester United being conned over Douglas Costa?
July 13, 2009
by
Pitaco do gringo’s Brazilian football blog
Douglas Costa: over rated and over priced?
Weekend reports in the British press have again linked Grêmio’s Douglas Costa with Manchester United.
The Premier League club have apparently been chasing the 18-year-old midfielder for more than a year. Now they may be close to getting their man in a cut-price deal, which could see Costa moving initially for as little as £7 million plus performance-related add-ons.
While it’s normal to see the British tabloids filling their pages with wild speculation, this weekend’s reports came from The Guardian, Independent and The Times.
According to The Guardian, Costa is being championed by Manchester United’s chief scout in Brazil, John Calvert-Toulmin.
The article talks about “the talented 18-year-old who has been hailed as “the new Ronaldinho” in his country” ….. and goes on to say …. “Manchester City are also aware of Costa’s burgeoning reputation …. adding “Grêmio is the club where Ronaldinho made his breakthrough and Costa has obvious similarities in terms of his ability to run with the ball and beat opponents from his favoured role between midfield and attack, as well as being a free-kick specialist.”
The Independent article is essentially a rehash of the Guardian post but makes slightly more grandiose claims in that “Costa is a free-kick specialist resonant of Cristiano Ronaldo and his close control has produced goals which the departed Portuguese would have cherished.”
All well and good. The only problem is that Douglas Costa has failed to perform any of these acts of genius in a league or cup game for Grêmio.
The teenager is currently injured but even when fit he rarely starts a match for the first team. Costa’s fame abroad far exceeds his reputation here in Brazil where he is certainly not regarded as the ‘next Ronaldinho Gaúcho’, he is definitely not famed for his free-kicks and any comparison with Cristiano Ronaldo would leave even the most ardent Grêmio fan in stitches.
The only thing Douglas Costa has done to date is manage to put in a few decent performances for Brazil’s Under 20s.
This is common place in a country that wheels out talented players seemingly on a daily basis. Some do go on to be the real article. Though many next big things such as Corinthians’ Lulinha and now perhaps Neymar at Santos, have struggled to reproduce the form they displayed for Brazil’s junior sides in the more demanding Brazilian league.
Manchester United seem dead keen on getting their man. But just where have they got the idea that Costa is all the things he’s cracked up to be? Grêmio have played 41 games already this season. Costa has made just 15 appearances and has failed to score a single goal. Something does not quite add up. United and their scouts are either the best potential spotters in the business or they are having the wool pulled over their eyes big time.
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Worrying??
Another Brazillian article that agrees with my Gremio supporting friend. Seems the Brazillians dont rate him as highly as Alex does from the 'few games he's' supposedly 'watched'.
I would be surprised if SAF has watched any games personally apart from highlights reels. Our apparent reluctance to pay the buyout clause in addition to asking to see him on loan indicates that we are also not wholly convinced about him.
You cannot say that he isn't a talent when you saw the highlights of the South American youth cup (can't remember what age group it was) and it's not unusual for a young player to take a while to adapt to senior football. I doubt we will stop watching him, much like Obertan, it's probably a wait and see and pounce when or if we think he's ready or walk away if not.
I would be surprised if SAF has watched any games personally apart from highlights reels. Our apparent reluctance to pay the buyout clause in addition to asking to see him on loan indicates that we are also not wholly convinced about him.
You cannot say that he isn't a talent when you saw the highlights of the South American youth cup (can't remember what age group it was) and it's not unusual for a young player to take a while to adapt to senior football. I doubt we will stop watching him, much like Obertan, it's probably a wait and see and pounce when or if we think he's ready or walk away if not.
Thing is though, if he's not rated by his club or Gremio fans, they wouldn't ask for exorbitant sums. His club knows how much he is worth, far more than we do.
Denilson was another left footed wonder kid that went for 20 million. And when a Gremio supporter says he's less like a new Ronaldinho or a new Anderson and to "think Kleberson" instead, it should make people hold their horses, close their football manager and wait till he proves something at Gremio before they *** their weiners.
Gota love the caf
.....but feel sorry for folk who spout nonsense too
The fact that someone compares an attacking midfielder/support striker to Kleberson immediately makes me think he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about as they are completely different types of player.