I suggest the judge gets creative with the sentence. Community service at some unemployment exchange, down with some ‘bad people’. A touch of humiliation and a lot of discomfort, but no martyrdom.
Donald Trump - GUILTY!
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Is the gag order still in force?
Yes, apparently so.
Community service would be turned into a massive populist martyrdom media spectacle. He would cast himself as a man of the people. A six month jail sentence would be more than fair given that he is guilty on not one, but 34 counts, and has repeatedly violated the gag order over the past month.
I wish someone would gag him. Permanently.
Completely agree.
“feck Obama! feck Biden! I hope we can learn to love each other!”
All those Tory MPs who support Trump should be put on the spot with the reaction to the trial. Let them say out loud that the justice system is crooked etc. Likes of Miriam Cates, Jenkyns et al
Happy holidays to all those who observe
Is the sentence for 34 felonies likely to be much more than for just 1? Seems like he's guilty of a lot of felonies.
If things are going so badly for Cheeto Benito that he loses Florida, he’s getting crushed. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if that happens
Wow, what a lot of felonies. I walked into the courtroom and said wow look at all those felonies. Some people are saying the most and the bestest, I’m not saying it but some people, lots of people are, the best people. I might say it.
Bigly.
I read yesterday that one option would be house arrest, although that's not such hardship for a rich man with a very big house. It might stop the rallies for a while, of course.
When he drops dead.
Pretty much but people like him don't die. The evil in them keeps them alive for a very very long time.
So true. Henry Kissinger made it to 100. We could have 23 years of Trump left. Just imagine.
with his diet he should be dead at 55. He will probably will die comfortably in his bed at 104
Was that the first time he acknowledged Biden as president?
I don't think he'll lose FL TBH but it might be a lot closer than you'd think, but if he did he's fecked big time
in 100 years time I wonder how he'll be remembered
similar to McCarthy in that pretty much any reasonable person agrees he was basically a con-man?
largely forgotten?
or his fans turn this into some weird religion/movement?
similar to McCarthy in that pretty much any reasonable person agrees he was basically a con-man?
largely forgotten?
or his fans turn this into some weird religion/movement?
Fkin morons who donate to him and all his other grifters probably complain about having no money.
Similar to Reagan I imagine in that vast swathes of future republicans will treat him as a messiah. He’s already had a huge impact on worldwide politics, ushering a post-truth era into the west.
Listening to Mitt Romney argue that at the most opportune moment, Biden should pardon Trump. I’d say at the point where he gets his nomination confirmed. Would that move make Biden look strong and presidential, and Trump look small?
The televangelists must be short on cash since a lot of their grifting money is being sent to Trump instead.
If Biden wins the election, I think there's a decent chance he will pardon Trump since the Jack Smith cases are more likely to get him prison time than the case this week. Not sure if Biden can do anything about the GA election subversion case since its state level. Also not mentioned much is that Trump is now a (yet) unindicted co-conspirator in the new Arizona case, which is another one that would take place at the state level, and AZ has a Dem Governor who isn't likely to pardon him.
I also saw some of the experts saying even weekends in jail are an option. Where he reports there on weekends to serve. I didn't know that was a thing.
It would be akin to the sentence given to his buddy Jeffrey Epstein.
June 2008: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of solicitating prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail. Under a secret arrangement, the U.S. attorney’s office agrees not to prosecute Epstein for federal crimes. Epstein serves most of his sentence in a work-release program that allows him to leave jail during the day to go to his office, then return at night.
https://apnews.com/article/epstein-maxwell-timeline-b9f15710fabb72e8581c71e94acf513e
Seems the most likely and they can 100% trust to be discreet about it.
Those dogs look embarassed.
Is this your own personal opinion, or are you summarizing what you think the general mood is? Personally I feel a pardon would infuriate the American public that has sought to hold their leaders accountable and stood by in abject horror as the GOP ran roughshod over tradition, law, and decorum. Trump's multitude of crimes and the severity of them merit actual punishment, not symbolic.
Biden has vowed to not pardon Trump (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-trump-n1207531) although he has done the odd volte face on occasion. Trump cannot receive a presidential pardon for this election interference/hush money case, so that's not an option, but in the classified documents case, in theory he could. Since Trump has already promised to subvert the law by freeing all of the Jan. 6 rioters, pardoning Trump would not lead to a sudden conversion in him, nor would it lead to Trump suddenly developing a moral compass; it would merely embolden his inflated sense of being above the law while actually undermining the criminal-justice system itself.
When these cases were first filed, there were some trial balloons (pun intended) floated about a pardon, or even a pre-emptive pardon, and those were roundly rejected by one and all in the Democratic establishment. The reason being that it is easy to show we got where we are today by allowing the Republicans to escape accountability, which has only emboldened them:
• Nixon being allowed to resign and then pardoned by Ford was the start. The fact Nixon didn't face criminal penalties for his actions is insane.
• Reagan's adventures in central America and the Iran-Contra scandal were conducted because there was nothing tethering the executive to the laws.
• Supreme Court handing the 2000 presidential election to Bush, who surely would have lost if the votes were allowed to have been counted.
• McConnell refusing to allow a hearing on Obama's SC pick.
• McConnell reversing his logic to allow Trump to appoint a judge after RBG's death.
The Republicans have shown again and again that they will cross whatever unspoken ethical lines exist, and often will use extralegal means to achieve their ends. Those calling for a pardon are people like Bill O'Reilly, Marc Thiessen and Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise Institute (https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/should-joe-biden-pardon-donald-trump) who do so by arguing that to "heal" the nation, it falls upon the Democrats to again forestall punishment for crimes, instead of, you know, Republicans stop committing crimes and stop electing criminals. Pletka claims Republicans have lost trust in the criminal justice system and that Biden has weaponized the Federal gov't - but at the same time, their nominee Trump has promised to weaponize the federal gov't and criminal justice system himself in pursuit of retribution on his "enemies". So their argument is risible.
Others like Michael Conway should also be ignored. He uses the dubious logic that Ted Kennedy citing Ford's actions as being the "right" thing to do should be enough. In reality I don't think anyone rates Ted Kennedy's opinions on anything, and he's lucky the 'me too' movement didn't happen when he was alive because it surely would have come for him. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...rump-we-democrats-should-want-him-ncna1247986
Just a hunch on my part. The country is pretty much split 50/50 and a future POTUS could throw a bone to the other side by pardoning Trump - but not until after he's federally convicted and long gone from the political stage. At that point, the legal processes would've completely played out (a win for democracy and the rule of law) and Trump would be pushing 80.
This article from the Pew Research Center shows how the public and the Republican establishment was firmly behind Nixon and against his impeachment - right up until they suddenly changed their minds. Nixon's approval rating started at 68% at the dawn of his second term, and fell to 48% after the Watergate scandal came to light. By comparison, Biden's approval rating is currently at 41%, although it was at 52% at its peak. Trump's highest approval rating was 44%. So my contention is that the Republican elected officials are publicly behind Trump now, but once they realize magical thinking and bloviating won't make the charges go away, they will come to their senses, however belatedly.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...isis-eroded-public-support-for-richard-nixon/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-how-bidens-approval-ratings-compare-to-trump
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...isis-eroded-public-support-for-richard-nixon/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-how-bidens-approval-ratings-compare-to-trump
It always irks me when these cooks try to tell Democrats who they rage about as Woke, open border loving, groomers should be the ones to pardon criminals. Heal the country while they do NOTHING but foment rage, lies, and grievances. If they win they promise revenge bills, revenge investigations, laws to "own the libs". But, if they lose and suddenly face justice for what they do. They suddenly deserve pardons and "healing". While not having to even do the minimum of at least owning their bs and even pretending to be remorseful.
Right now in Trumps position with a sentencing hanging over him. He's still talking about shams, and he's a victim . Can we just imagine his statement he will be allowed to give at sentencing? It will be a hot mess. Will he call the judge a Soros crony and Biden supporter then and there? And then expect a light sentence? People like that never learn unless they get hit in the pocketbook like the E jean Carrol verdicts. Or start seeing real consequences finally like jail, and hopefully losing the election again.
Right now in Trumps position with a sentencing hanging over him. He's still talking about shams, and he's a victim . Can we just imagine his statement he will be allowed to give at sentencing? It will be a hot mess. Will he call the judge a Soros crony and Biden supporter then and there? And then expect a light sentence? People like that never learn unless they get hit in the pocketbook like the E jean Carrol verdicts. Or start seeing real consequences finally like jail, and hopefully losing the election again.
You might enjoy this piece by Jennifer Rubin, reflecting in the afterglow of the conviction. She writes "The flock of pundits who insisted trying Trump was constitutionally untoward and strategically unwise now look foolish and, worse, clueless about the importance of holding Trump accountable for his crimes. One cannot defend the rule of law while simultaneously pleading for a different standard of prosecution for former presidents."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/30/trump-trial-convicted-impact/
I think you're right. I also believe that if Trump were pardoned, he would use it immediately to say it "proves" the case(s) against him were unfair and rigged. He will never know contrition, so let him rail about the unfairness of it all from within a prison cell.
For his cultists, he absolutely is a martyr, a victim of the Deep State and nothing will convince them otherwise.
I personally think that this trial shouldn't have taken place during the election campaign. It pours oil on the fire. Not that I don't believe that he's guilty, but given the level of fanaticism of his supporters, things can really go south if he loses.
He should've been quietly judged and disposed of after November 2024.