Donald Trump - GUILTY!

Gag order reinstated in New York by the state appeals court .



P01135809 better shut up or expose himself to more serious consequences.
 
Are these gag orders had been a deterrent for his rants?
 
They were on appeal, so he had textual free reign.
Now if he steps out of line on this case there could be consequences, if I read Google correctly, in an NYC Civil case he can be given up to 30 days jail as well as fines if found in contempt of court
 
Now if he steps out of line on this case there could be consequences, if I read Google correctly, in an NYC Civil case he can be given up to 30 days jail as well as fines if found in contempt of court
Some analyst was saying the judge will be very reluctant to put Trump in jail, that's he's being relatively lenient to avoid criticism of prejudice with the verdict.
 
Some analyst was saying the judge will be very reluctant to put Trump in jail, that's he's being relatively lenient to avoid criticism of prejudice with the verdict.
More than likely, the verdict will be rendered around the middle of January, there’s no way in hell Trump will be able to amend his online bombast for that long.
 
More than likely, the verdict will be rendered around the middle of January, there’s no way in hell Trump will be able to amend his online bombast for that long.
The verdict is already in, GUILTY, what's happening now is to determine what the punishment is, the State wants $250 million and the banning of running a business in New York State
 
The verdict is already in, GUILTY, what's happening now is to determine what the punishment is, the State wants $250 million and the banning of running a business in New York State
That's correct, I misspoke, the verdict is indeed already in; the judge's decision on those two issues you discussed will land in mid January.
 
That's correct, I misspoke, the verdict is indeed already in; the judge's decision on those two issues you discussed will land in mid January.
You'd think the Orange idiot would take a hint that not pissing off the judge who solely determines the punishment would probably be a good idea!
 
You'd think the Orange idiot would take a hint that not pissing off the judge who solely determines the punishment would probably be a good idea!
He’s doing a stress test, seeing how far he can distort the justice system now so that when he does whatever crazy shit in 2024, the cracks will already be there. He’s destroying norms. A normal defendant would already be sitting in jail. Every moment he’s free is another proof to his fans that he doesn’t bend to mere laws; he’s too powerful - and what they respect or covet now is power. It’s not justice, it’s not even getting special treatment: they worship power and someone unafraid to wield it. That’s why the best outcome would be a stroke / aneurism / heart attack killing him. No one to blame, just a dead pile of shit that can be scooped into a bag and incinerated.
 
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He’s doing a stress test, seeing how far he can distort the justice system now so that when he does whatever crazy shit in 2024, the cracks will already be there. He’s destroying norms. A normal defendant would already be sitting in jail. Every moment he’s free is another proof to his fans that he doesn’t bend to mere laws; he’s too powerful - and what they respect or covet now is power. It’s not justice, it’s not even getting special treatment: they worship power and someone unafraid to wield it. That’s why the best outcome would be a stroke / aneurism / heart attack killing him. No one to blame, just a dead pile of shit that can be scooped into a bag and incinerated.
Plane crash wouldn't be too bad either.
 
He’s doing a stress test, seeing how far he can distort the justice system now so that when he does whatever crazy shit in 2024, the cracks will already be there. He’s destroying norms. A normal defendant would already be sitting in jail. Every moment he’s free is another proof to his fans that he doesn’t bend to mere laws; he’s too powerful - and what they respect or covet now is power. It’s not justice, it’s not even getting special treatment: they worship power and someone unafraid to wield it. That’s why the best outcome would be a stroke / aneurism / heart attack killing him. No one to blame, just a dead pile of shit that can be scooped into a bag and incinerated.
Well losing his businesses might just induce one of those, this is a civil trial though not a criminal one, the only way he ends up in jail is a maximum 30 day stretch for contempt
 
He’s doing a stress test, seeing how far he can distort the justice system now so that when he does whatever crazy shit in 2024, the cracks will already be there. He’s destroying norms. A normal defendant would already be sitting in jail. Every moment he’s free is another proof to his fans that he doesn’t bend to mere laws; he’s too powerful - and what they respect or covet now is power. It’s not justice, it’s not even getting special treatment: they worship power and someone unafraid to wield it. That’s why the best outcome would be a stroke / aneurism / heart attack killing him. No one to blame, just a dead pile of shit that can be scooped into a bag and incinerated.

The amount of conspiracy theories that will appear would be insane. Whatever happens will be insane with him. So better he rots in prison
 
it's incredible how liberal democracies just sit there and watch this ideology fester. If the election is not decisive and called on the night of the vote, this cnut will call for violence.

He is utterly deranged.

Which makes it worse as nobody in their right mind should take him seriously.
 
How many of these are there?

Most people fall between center left and center right, neither are what I would call liberal, the US has a lot of people who vote on single issue polcies, guns, abortion and so on, they only care about that issue, the rest is just noise, there are also vast numbers of people who will only ever vote for one party of the other, who leads it and what they say is irrelevant

Liberal here is centre right in comparison to Trump but far right by local standards. Similarity the current Tories in the UK.
 
Absolutely incredible that he appears on the surface to be waist deep in shit without a prayer, and yet he could still be elected president in little over a year (quite likely looking at the polls).
 
Wasn't the allegation that he got hookers to pee on the bed Obama slept in, not peed on him?

Allegedly after he had sex with them?

That was certainly doing the rounds too.

Think the whole thing has mutated with Chinese whispers over the years.

I've long suspected it was much worse than that because I don't think his fans would be moved in the slightest by him sleeping with hookers/getting peed on or them peeing on Obama's bed, he'd probably be cheered.

If it was paedophilia or something else then it's a different kettle of fish.

Although again as I've asked in this thread, how would they ever know if they never saw it? If it was released it'd have to be on the web and then you'd have to somehow force them to both watch it and accept it was real which would be tougher than a tough thing.

Even then it might not move the needle for them.
 
Never thought we were the most free country in the world, even before Trump. Unfortunately, most of my fellow Americans are clueless about nations outside of our boarders.
I've had to explain to americans that Portugal is not a dictatorship despite the Socialist Party being in power.
 
I apologize.
I've never met any maga americans, everyone I met were great people, but you get some funny situations due to them not knowing much about other places.

I had a family stay with my aunt here after she met them in Boston. They became friends and they cam to Portugal to spend a week. They went from the airport to my house as it was pretty late. The women said she had some gifts for us and I assume she thought she was visiting a really really poor country as she brought us stuff like shampoo and toothpaste and cookies. Next day she went to a normal supermarket and we could tell she was really embarrassed.

Another girl who became a friend spent a couple of months here and she fell skateboarding and got a bit hurt. She refused to go to the hospital. At first we thought she was just trying to act tough but eventually we realized she thought it was going to cost her a lot and she didn't have much money for her vacation. She couldn't believe that she could just go to the hospital, get treated and that would be it, no money involved. I think that experience turned her into a leftist, when she realized the absurdity of the american system.
 
I've never met any maga americans, everyone I met were great people, but you get some funny situations due to them not knowing much about other places.

I had a family stay with my aunt here after she met them in Boston. They became friends and they cam to Portugal to spend a week. They went from the airport to my house as it was pretty late. The women said she had some gifts for us and I assume she thought she was visiting a really really poor country as she brought us stuff like shampoo and toothpaste and cookies. Next day she went to a normal supermarket and we could tell she was really embarrassed.

Another girl who became a friend spent a couple of months here and she fell skateboarding and got a bit hurt. She refused to go to the hospital. At first we thought she was just trying to act tough but eventually we realized she thought it was going to cost her a lot and she didn't have much money for her vacation. She couldn't believe that she could just go to the hospital, get treated and that would be it, no money involved. I think that experience turned her into a leftist, when she realized the absurdity of the american system.
Cringe for the gifts story saved by the skateboarder story.
 
We're force-fed so much pro-American, greatest nation ever from birth. Most never take a step back to view reality of the world, other cultures (let alone visit them), so forth and continue to consume nationalism under the guise of patriotism.
 
I've never met any maga americans, everyone I met were great people, but you get some funny situations due to them not knowing much about other places.

I had a family stay with my aunt here after she met them in Boston. They became friends and they cam to Portugal to spend a week. They went from the airport to my house as it was pretty late. The women said she had some gifts for us and I assume she thought she was visiting a really really poor country as she brought us stuff like shampoo and toothpaste and cookies. Next day she went to a normal supermarket and we could tell she was really embarrassed.

Another girl who became a friend spent a couple of months here and she fell skateboarding and got a bit hurt. She refused to go to the hospital. At first we thought she was just trying to act tough but eventually we realized she thought it was going to cost her a lot and she didn't have much money for her vacation. She couldn't believe that she could just go to the hospital, get treated and that would be it, no money involved. I think that experience turned her into a leftist, when she realized the absurdity of the american system.
And here's a lesson for Dems, send Americans on a 2 week vacation to Europe and they'll never vote Republican again :D
 
I've never met any maga americans, everyone I met were great people, but you get some funny situations due to them not knowing much about other places.

I had a family stay with my aunt here after she met them in Boston. They became friends and they cam to Portugal to spend a week. They went from the airport to my house as it was pretty late. The women said she had some gifts for us and I assume she thought she was visiting a really really poor country as she brought us stuff like shampoo and toothpaste and cookies. Next day she went to a normal supermarket and we could tell she was really embarrassed.

Another girl who became a friend spent a couple of months here and she fell skateboarding and got a bit hurt. She refused to go to the hospital. At first we thought she was just trying to act tough but eventually we realized she thought it was going to cost her a lot and she didn't have much money for her vacation. She couldn't believe that she could just go to the hospital, get treated and that would be it, no money involved. I think that experience turned her into a leftist, when she realized the absurdity of the american system.

Hahaha nice story. The same for me when I was travelling from US. I got invited to a house and they said " This is a Microwave" :lol: . Or the likes... "I am from Spain" and answering "Oh, I was once in Mexico"... the last happened more than once. Though a Guatemalan asked me if Australia was part of Spain. So I guess it happens everywhere

I just find it amusing and say nothing if I don't have to develop a relationship with this people and I think about my feck ups in other countries that are not corrected