Donald Trump - GUILTY!
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How about get him for tax fraud? Why treat him different than anyone else?
I don’t know exactly why, but I can’t seem to visualise any lower form of scum than Jim Jordan. There is something mustard and reptile in his grin. He - by comparison - makes Trump seem decent.
Timing... its everything!
When should this crime have been prosecuted then in order to avoid the limelight?
I should imagine as a DA in New York he receives these threats all the time... the main thing here was for him to get in first... as I mentioned elsewhere, when making history, 'timing is everything'.
i’d prefer not to be prosecuted for interfering with dogs until i’m on my deathbed.
That is the whole point, this is the first time ever a former US President has faced this situation (history in the making)and therefore it was never going to avoid the limelight, not with Trump as the centre piece, which is why A Bragg wanted to go first. However there are more serious charges awaiting Trump and if this charge fails, Trump will 'make hay' and the more serious charges will be under even greater scrutiny/pressure as being 'politically expedient', especially as they are closer to the next Presidential Election.
You get the feeling if this first case falls... the cry of 'witch hunt' will become greater and may risk encouraging any who have strayed from the Trump fold, to return.
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So which one should have gone first then? And are you suggesting all these independent investigations should be colluding with each other?
Not suggesting any collusion.... otherwise surely Bragg would have been persuaded to wait!
The fact is they way its set up it is likely that if Trump walks on the first one, greater pressure on the second etc. then whether intended or not, colluding or not, politically expedient or not, the Democrats could reap the whirlwind.... the law of unintended consequences etc.
He actually delayed taking the case to a grand jury for over a year. Experienced assistant DAs resigned in protest that Bragg wasn't trying to indict Trump 14 months ago.
You're mistaken on his intense 'desire' to be first out of the gate.
Nope. Wrong again.
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Lets hope I am then!
Hilarious that Gym Jordan is going to bring in Pometantz via subpoena when he was one of the assistant DAs who quit in protest when he didn't feel Bragg was moving quickly enough against Trump.
Another self own.
Another self own.
Disagree. Don't think that kind of thinking has played a part at all.
Keep on expanding that base, Donald!I don't get that feeling at all. The people that switched from 2016 to 2020 to vote for Biden, moderate Republicans and independents, aren't going to suddenly go back to supporting Trump because he whines about "witch hunts." Sure, his core Maga base will make noise, but they would do that anyway. No establishment Republican type that voted for Biden in 2020 is switching back to Trump just because he's being charged with crimes he committed even if he doesn't go to prison. I think Trump fatigue is real and most of those people just wish he would go away.
Sounds like what you're saying is they should be prosecuting the case first that's most likely to succeed, not the one that's most serious. And well, perhaps they are. Having his old lawyer testifying seems quite powerful really.
Its difficult to judge, there should not be any collusion, but the thing is given the underlying political aspects of this whole saga, i.e. first time a former President etc, then presuming they are all 'serious' charges, Bragg (after apparently) previously delaying has now seen fit to bring the NY/Stormy thing forward. In so doing seizing his chance of going down in history as the first man who brought a former President to court.
You have to assume that if the first case (whichever) fails to return a guilty verdict for Trump then he will be yelling 'witch-hunt' even more than he is now. Also those republican supporters who had wandered away from Trump's fold, may decided to return, thereby making the next Presidential election more difficult for the Democrats than it might otherwise have been.
Both the GA case & the federal obstruction of justice case, if indictments happen as experts think (May for both), both will most likely be completed by the time December rolls around. And these two cases have Trump far more dead to rights than the NYC case & will be substantially more.punitive.
Many people have become highly myopic & fixated on the NYC case while forgetting about the other two due to sensationalized & highly dubious pronouncements from the media.
The exhausted majority will not lose any support of any measure back to Trump throughout all of this. There's almost no indies left to be swayed, the amount he could win back in 2024 would be negligible at best. His only hope will be to gain new voters who feel he is being unduly persecuted, but there will be twice as more new voters who will vote against Trump due to his legal issues.
Can Trunp be executed for treason? Please
He most definitely could, but the legal bar would be so high to clear that it renders moot the possibility.
"Some people are saying" seems to be good enough for republicans.
Yep, grand juries in GA apparently get impaneled in May, so it's right around the corner when Willis will drop the hammer.
This is the risk and with the 'Stormy' case going first, if Trump wins then the above might well happen. Undoubtedly the other two are more serious charges, inciting riots / Georgia interference, etc. but with the first one being the one to make history, Democrats had better hope Bragg knows what he's doing and isn't just looking to get his name in the history books.
The federal case & the GA case will, in high probability, finish before the next court appearance in NYC as they will be fast tracked.
You're giving far too much credit to the NYC case in terms of stature &, for some reason, keep alluding to Bragg wanting to jump the gun on the rest of the field. Neither is applicable.
I wanna know where these new voters will come from.
Quite a good quick video on where we are with the 4 Trump investigations.
The reason is because the one that goes first is the 'history making' one and I am sure any DA would want to be on that score sheet, Bragg included. If any DA's actions provide a guilty verdict, and that ultimately helps deprive Trump of a second Presidency, it will go down in Democratic victory folklore... alternatively if a 'botched' case lets Trump off the hook and he then goes on to win the Presidency for a second time.. it will go down in Democratic infamy... in either case it is history in the making for the US and what its effect will be on future political scenarios, where the 'taboo' of never putting a former president in the dock has been broken... will the flood gates open there after and if so how will it affect future administrations?
There is a definitely 'a reason'
Again, you have no clue what you're talking about. It's impressive in a way, the consistency you have.
Its not the first time that's been leveled against me, but I beg to differ.As in many aspects (if not all) of life, 'timing is everything' and Alvin Bragg knows this as much as any one.
Putting a former 'leader of the free world' on public trial for the first time, is a massive step, and which ever way you look at it will have repercussions, for those taking part in the present drama itself, as well as those that follow in the Office of President of the United States/Leader of the free World and for many beyond the US shores.
I can think of a few world leaders right now who must be 'pi**ing their pants, either in joy/hilarity, or in trepidation.
He won't be the first person who puts Trump on trial. Don't know how much clearer I can make that.
As in many aspects (if not all) of life, 'timing is everything' and Alvin Bragg knows this as much as any one.
Putting a former 'leader of the free world' on public trial for the first time, is a massive step, and which ever way you look at it will have repercussions, for those taking part in the present drama itself, as well as those that follow in the Office of President of the United States/Leader of the free World and for many beyond the US shores.
I can think of a few world leaders right now who must be 'pi**ing their pants, either in joy/hilarity, or in trepidation.
He is the first one to indict a former President. Is that what you are trying to say?
Amazing...! If you throw in that its a 'former US President' then at the 'umpteenth' time of asking, you have finally got it...well done
