Great pick. I would pick him ahead of Zidane too if I get the chance. Very few players offer the tactical versatility he offers in drafts.
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Great pick. I would pick him ahead of Zidane too if I get the chance. Very few players offer the tactical versatility he offers in drafts.
There is a 50-50 chance they could land Dzajic, Lovchev or someone else that would leave them with pretty crap picks.
Besides it’s in the rules already and to me too late to change.
If in R7 we end up back in obscure leagues, the 2 picks should only make things worse. So that chance is always there whether we continue or choose a new beginning.
If we do end up in obscure leagues at end of R7, I'd be more than happy to break the chain and give them a good player to start...as they deserve some luck.
You can always see it working to a point when you've got players who were comfortable in defence and midfield. One of the keys though IMO is what their instincts are. For example, someone like xxxxx was always really good at dropping for Sammer because he was such a predominantly defensive-minded player. And there are others with a similar mindset like Desailly and Mxxxx xxxxx who would always drop in immediately. I don't know if it would always happen as instinctively and automatically with a more forward-thinking footballer like the Romanian, as brilliantly capable of performing both roles as he was, which is what I think @antohan was getting at. Then again he might have done it well with Bxxxxxxxxx for the national team, I can't really remember.
Sinister, Pillow, Enigma and ID are the Four Horsemen of this draft. They ride on happily drafting GOATs while leaving devastation in their wake.
For the national side it didn't work out for them, as they were too much alike - both in their strengths and weaknesses and also although only 3 years apart the former's peak was in the late 80's early 90's, whilst P***** peaked 7-8 years later.
In 1994 it is probably the best stint together, but B****** was already on the wane at the time, whilst P***** was maturing in his game and reaching peak level.
I agree with your description tho I think the synergy between a DM dropping back and CB going forward is better compared to two players with forward-thinking mindset coming from behind.
Passarella and P* are a lot different in their game and the latter IMO has the tactical astute to keep the line if needed and cover for him, even more so than say Busquets who is more dependent on the system of the two.
That's the beautiful scenario I was referring to. Knowing Edgar, I wouldn't expect that instruction but instead "X is great going forward, Y is also great going forward" and I would vote according to both going forward.
I had access to the Dutch/Barca sweeper in addition to the Romanian. Like anto said, I was not very sure on the balance of playing them together. And I would have preferred to have Rijkaard over either.
Completely different players and combinations. No way you would have Passarella and this other guy together. The Romanian though... it could be a fecking amazing combo.
TBH, my understanding was a neutral would pick a restart player.
Indeed. Particularly when they are both very stubborn characters, so not sure one would be happy to become somewhat subservient to the other. The Romanian would put team and winning first I'd expect, but Passarella is the sort who could quite easily rub you the wrong way and make you forget all that no I in team thing.
http://www.worldfootball.net/report/wm-1990-in-italien-endspiel-deutschland-argentinien/
- 2mufc0/mazhar13 - 1. B. Robson (44) 2. R. Baggio (54) 3. F. Redondo (300) 4. A. Picchi (480) 5. W. Zeman (213) 6. R. Dierckx (519)
- Cal? - 1. E. Cantona (17) 2. A. Nesta (23) 3. Cafu (7) 4. S. Mazzola (27) 5. F. Binder (74) 6. J. Ceulemans (55)
- Diarm - 1. D. Irwin (72) 2. Ronaldinho (453) 3. G. Batistuta (84) 4. L. Suarez Miramontes (111) 5. R. Schramseis (204) 6. M. Preud'Homme (78)
- Lord Slnister - 1. R. Keane (88) 2. L. Messi (19) 3. D. Maradona (29) 4. S. Kocsis (40) 5. J. Smistik (690) 6. E. Gerets (111)
- EAP - 1. C. Ronaldo (24) 2. Xavi (257) 3. D. Passarella (46) 4. F. Puskas (158) 5. M. Sindelar (180) 6. R. Gullit (27)
- Enigma - 1. L. Figo (23) 2. A. Iniesta (1) 3. K.-H. Rummenigge (44) 4. Di Stefano (14) 5. J. Bican (17) 6. F. Rijkaard (14)
- idmanager - 1. L. Ronaldo (240) 2. T. Henry (40) 3. L. Matthäus (18) 4. F. Gento (30) 5. F. Plánička (24) 6. M. Overmars (330)
- Pat Mustard - 1. Romario (38) 2. L. Thuram (69) 3. A. Brehme (16) 4. R. Kopa (35) 5. A. Puc (192) 6. P. Vieira (61)
- Raees - 1. H. Stoichkov (120) 2. Z. Zidane (10) 3. M. Sammer (45) 4. J. Fontaine (139) 5. O. Nejedly (6) F. Cannavaro (190)
- Sjor/Indnyc - 1. M. Laudrup (120) 2. M. Desailly (156) 3. G. Bergomi (113) 4. R. Jonquet (16) 5. B. Klenovec (280) 6. P. Nedved (65)
- Moby - 1. M. Platini (183) 2. M. Amoros (47) 3. G. Scirea (16) 4. R. Marche (207) 5. R. Braine (66) 6. A. Del Piero (11)
- green_smiley - 1. J. Rep (24) 2. G. Weah (300) 3. C. Gentile (75) 4. E. Happel (150) 5. B. Voorhoof (240) 6. J. Kohler (32)
- Tuppet - 1. J. Cruyff (55) 2. E. Davids (124) 3. Z. Boniek (18) 4. E. Ocwirk (92) 5. A. Baeten (56) 6. P. Littbarski (210)
- Skizzo - 1. M. Basten (98) 2. J. Zanetti (110) 3. A. Cabrini (14) 4. G. Hanappi (62) 5. L. Hendrickx (60)
- P-nut - 1. F. Baresi (177) 2. R. Carlos (0) 3. D. Zoff (187) 4. R. Dienst (378) 5. F. Vermeyen (316)
- Oaencha - P. Maldini (30) 2. Rivaldo (391) 3. G. Facchetti (33) 4. K. Koller (58) 5. P. Dahl (225)
Go nuts @Skizzo
It was laid out that it would be a double pick due to being bottom for 7 rounds.
- 2mufc0/mazhar13 - 1. B. Robson (44) 2. R. Baggio (54) 3. F. Redondo (300) 4. A. Picchi (480) 5. W. Zeman (213) 6. R. Dierckx (519)
- Cal? - 1. E. Cantona (17) 2. A. Nesta (23) 3. Cafu (7) 4. S. Mazzola (27) 5. F. Binder (74) 6. J. Ceulemans (55)
- Diarm - 1. D. Irwin (72) 2. Ronaldinho (453) 3. G. Batistuta (84) 4. L. Suarez Miramontes (111) 5. R. Schramseis (204) 6. M. Preud'Homme (78)
- Lord Slnister - 1. R. Keane (88) 2. L. Messi (19) 3. D. Maradona (29) 4. S. Kocsis (40) 5. J. Smistik (690) 6. E. Gerets (111)
- EAP - 1. C. Ronaldo (24) 2. Xavi (257) 3. D. Passarella (46) 4. F. Puskas (158) 5. M. Sindelar (180) 6. R. Gullit (27)
- Enigma - 1. L. Figo (23) 2. A. Iniesta (1) 3. K.-H. Rummenigge (44) 4. Di Stefano (14) 5. J. Bican (17) 6. F. Rijkaard (14)
- idmanager - 1. L. Ronaldo (240) 2. T. Henry (40) 3. L. Matthäus (18) 4. F. Gento (30) 5. F. Plánička (24) 6. M. Overmars (330)
- Pat Mustard - 1. Romario (38) 2. L. Thuram (69) 3. A. Brehme (16) 4. R. Kopa (35) 5. A. Puc (192) 6. P. Vieira (61)
- Raees - 1. H. Stoichkov (120) 2. Z. Zidane (10) 3. M. Sammer (45) 4. J. Fontaine (139) 5. O. Nejedly (6) F. Cannavaro (190)
- Sjor/Indnyc - 1. M. Laudrup (120) 2. M. Desailly (156) 3. G. Bergomi (113) 4. R. Jonquet (16) 5. B. Klenovec (280) 6. P. Nedved (65)
- Moby - 1. M. Platini (183) 2. M. Amoros (47) 3. G. Scirea (16) 4. R. Marche (207) 5. R. Braine (66) 6. A. Del Piero (11)
- green_smiley - 1. J. Rep (24) 2. G. Weah (300) 3. C. Gentile (75) 4. E. Happel (150) 5. B. Voorhoof (240) 6. J. Kohler (32)
- Tuppet - 1. J. Cruyff (55) 2. E. Davids (124) 3. Z. Boniek (18) 4. E. Ocwirk (92) 5. A. Baeten (56) 6. P. Littbarski (210)
- Skizzo - 1. M. Basten (98) 2. J. Zanetti (110) 3. A. Cabrini (14) 4. G. Hanappi (62) 5. L. Hendrickx (60) 6. K-H. Forster (28)
- P-nut - 1. F. Baresi (177) 2. R. Carlos (0) 3. D. Zoff (187) 4. R. Dienst (378) 5. F. Vermeyen (316)
- Oaencha - P. Maldini (30) 2. Rivaldo (391) 3. G. Facchetti (33) 4. K. Koller (58) 5. P. Dahl (225)
That a kickass defensive line!
Curious, has there ever been a real life team successful playing 2 libero's?
Don't think so.
Not sure.
Yea, in the 4-way draft with Sammer and Passarella
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-4-way-draft-r1-idmanager-vs-p-nut.431754/
stronger chain then in this draft
Don't think so, however there is a famous incident of two liberos failing at the top level and that is Scirea and Baresi (Baresi obviously got benched).
If those two can't work it, who can.
Feck sake, didn't you laugh enough back then
in hindsight arrows aside, that was a cracking side you put together for a round one.
Don't think so. Usually libero's main weakness is strength and in the air as their strengths lie in reading of the game, ball distribution, starting the attacks and on the deck. Having two similar center backs in the heart of the defence would probably lead to more issues rather to playing to their strengths and tall, strong center forwards can cause them trouble. Baresi/Scirea is obvious example. Belodedici/Popescu didn't work as well, albeit there were different issues as I've said and they didn't play at their peak.
Even if you go back THE libero started in midfield due to Sch**** already playing there and making that position his own.
Then you have Real with Hierro starting in midfield, due to MS already playing as a sweeper in the early 90's.
Nobody is suggesting two liberos. The Romanian was also an excellent midfielder. You could have him in a DM role pinging balls and shielding the defence ala Carrick and dropping into the defence if needed as Passarella bombs forward. You seem to be imagining two liberos at CB.
The closest I can think of (and neither was really a libero) is Edmilson dropping into a three for Brazil when Carlos and Cafú bombed forward, as Lucio also had a habit of pushing forward and going walkabout ala Luiz. This would be far far better though, probably not even worth making this shit comparison.
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He said that he was considering the Dutch sweeper next to Passarella as he overlapped with Gerets.
It was not specific to that. Russia had that with Alb as libero and Murt as DM in front.
Question was on a thought that I had in mind after 2mufc/mazhar (incorrectly) picked Olsen to partner Picchi. Was curious on how a defensive sweeper/ attacking libero combo would function... I reckon it'd have worked well.
Can we stop with the ***** and xxxxx. Fecking irritating, we know Hagi is not the Romanian you are talking about.
Next time, I am complaining to @Tuppet
Next time, I am complaining to @Tuppet
Go full Pep, Edgar. I know you want it.You forgot Zam****** on other flank! Attack is the best defence
Think its a bad idea. Neither gets to work to their full potential. Kind of like playing Messi and Maradona together.
See what I did there?
Burgnich, Bergomi and Passarella look like they're learning the moves to The Time Warp from the Rocky Horror Picture Show......Don't think so.
Not sure.
Yea, in the 4-way draft with Sammer and Passarella
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-4-way-draft-r1-idmanager-vs-p-nut.431754/
... "it's just a step to the left"
I didn't know any better way to emphasize that
Probably didn't need to if I had placed them a bit better. Learnt it now from the other matches and formation pics of course
I'll take Berti Vogts. Not got time to update the list though.
@P-Nut0712 , did they play together? Don't think so, can u recheck and pick again
Sure give me a minute
They didn't. Vogts is a one club man and ended his career at the 1978 WC(scored a famous own goal too) and Forster began his career at the next Euro.
Would have opened the floodgates tho.
They didn't. Vogts is a one club man and ended his career at the 1978 WC(scored a famous own goal too) and Forster began his career at the next Euro.
Would have opened the floodgates tho.
Forget the floodgates, Oaencha's backline would have be been all unquestioned GOAT in their position.