I don't think we will be in the market for another CB this Summer. We will be down the line though, As Jose will start to see the liability that Jones is, if he hasn't started to see it already.
Do we really need a new CB, if so who?
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I don't think we will be in the market for another CB this Summer. We will be down the line though, As Jose will start to see the liability that Jones is, if he hasn't started to see it already.
Very obviously, it's not a burden borne by income from single year ... it's just a waste of time to pretend I've said otherwise. But it is a stark illustration of the size of current and future spending commitments that United seem bent on taking on with Pogba. And it needs to be considered in aggregate with all the other current and future payments (fee instalments + wages) that United are already committed to.
So many United fans seem to think that your money is endless. But it won't be too long now before the chickens come home to roost.
This is the top and tits of it, our starting pairing is fine, it's the two turds that are the primary cover that is the big concern.
Glaston is obsessed with our finances
Hopefully Mourinho continues to rate Tuanzebe and gives him time. Blind and Tuanzebe as back-ups would be fine, if Mourinho manages to keep our first choice centre-backs fit. Preferably we bring someone in, if we sell Rojo and Jones though.
I bet you're fun on a night out...
Down the line if we continue to not make the Champions League and the sponsorship deals dry up then yes I agree we will get to the point where we cannot spend lots, but right now we can afford it so we do right in trying to buy the players who will get us back to the top. If you are talking about business sense then signing Zlatan and Pogba alone make a lot of sense, the club will make that money back in marketing and shirt sales alone. Pogba also has a huge deal with Adidas what will also help our standing with them.
So how come we have managed to decrease our debt while heavily spending on players the last years? Since we are in such financial turmoil and everything.
We know that the money isn't endless. But the brand and marketing abillity taking as heavy a hit as another 5-10 barren years would cause just isn't feasible. I am certain that the hordes of Goldman Sachs level economists and commercial guys we have on board got our financials more under control than a random guy called GlastonSpur from the internets.
Are you born on a poultry farm btw? You do love that analogy.
But please, I do quite a lot of work with finance and budgets, if you want to you can present your forecasts and calculations of this mysterious future where the chickens will come home to roost, and we can take it from there.
And please, actual numbers,Not just "yeah, cuz when you never again qualify for teh CL and Adidas ditches you the chickens will roost, fo'sho, lolz. Also the 4,3 billion you are going to pay in future installmens which I have no way of knowing anything about will certainly wreck you!"
Agree. Don't forget TFM to, I'd still prefer to see him at CB or DM (although that is more risky).
These goddamn financial chickens...almost been 10 years!
Haven't forgotten him, but I think Mourinho will value him more in midfield or as a right-back, since he can get more involved going forward.
It depends how our young players develop. Tuanzebe and Fosu-Mensah are probably going to be in the first team squad this season and Williams and Poole are big prospects as well.
@GlastonSpur , the Caf's resident combined poultry farmer and financial accountant.
Sure he's not a Glazer? Look first three letters.
It's remarkable how long he's been obsessed with the United financial chickens...first he went after the debt reaching 1 billion which turned out to be bollocks and now he has all sorts of new claims over Pogba
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If the transfer value was denominated in Euros it could easily have been £30m at the time it was reported and £32m (or more) by the time it's paid. Brexit strikes again.
GlastonSpurs has been waiting for his Glastonomics theory to succeed and United to go bust and bankrupt for the past decade. He would keep posting the same for another decade.
Transfermarket also reports the Mkhitaryan fee as £35m so I tend to believe that their figures are just inaccurate
You really won't, not even remotely. Where do you get these outlandish ideas from? Pogba alone will likely cost the club north of £160m in fees and wages.
Transfermarkt is sometimes not accurate with the transfer fees. They have City paying £25.93m for Mangala, when it was fairly reliably reported that he cost City £42m (after all the third party fees). Bailly, I thought cost an initial £22m, which rises to around £30m (deal was concluded before Brexit, while Transfermarkt made the change in the transfer values after Brexit to get more accurate values in pound Sterling).
I haven't said that you are in financial turmoil. I've said you're heading that way if things continue in the same vein.
I think the reason for that is that they are a German website, so they got their value from what Dortmund leaked (42m euros). Like with Schweinsteiger, when Bayern briefed German papers that United paid 20m euros, only for it actually be around 9m euros.
Axel has been promoted and Williams is also in the wings waiting for his chance. So we can pass a new signing. No need
You used to say this about the debt 8 years ago (you said something about how it would reach 1 billion or something I think). Is it not time to accept Woodward has a better understanding of our financial situation than you?
Do you have anything to offer to the actual topic this thread is about? You can always start a new thread, if you want to discuss United's finances. Do you think we need another centre-back? Bailly and Smalling are most likely going to be first choice. Rojo or Jones could be sold.
All that most of those quotes show is that most of my predictions were correct.
For example:
* "It also shows that you're out of touch. [We will get] Planning permission for a new stadium to be built immediately next door to WHL ..." The new stadium is now well underway, despite all those saying it would never happen.
* "The fact that Fergie got the squad to over-perform. Now he's gone, the cracks are revealed and the true level of actual quality in the squad is showing" Enough said.
* "The sub-par level of most of the new players you've been signing for some while now, whilst hailing them all as potential world-beaters". Again, enough said.
* "Moyes himself. When so many new players will be needed, is he really the man you want to be in charge of spending bucket-loads of cash? And how many transfer targets will actually want to come and play under Moyes?" Again, enough said, although at the time my saying this was widely derided on here.
* "I don't see you finishing in the top 4" [during the Moyes era]. This prediction was widely derided on here.
* After years of letting things drift (because success kept on coming), you now need to wake up, be decisive and ruthless: sack Moyes"
* Modric wouldn't be sold to United. He wasn't.
The only thing that has changed is that (a) Berbatov was sold to United and (b) your debt has reduced, although I see that your total finance costs (interest etc), according to your last published accounts, increased from the year before.
You think chickens haven't started to come home to roost? You've dropped out of the top 4 twice in the last 3 seasons. Some of that is due to Fergie's enforced neglect of the squad prior to his leaving (as I said in the posts you've quoted, and due to your debt at the time, "... you might not have large sums of cash to spend lots on signing new players for the forseeable future + "some or all of the Ronaldo cash will disappear into debt servicing"), and some of it is due to poor transfer signings in the huge and panicky spending splurge that followed from Moyes onwards.
And now the United spending splurge is accelerating further. Such spending will have consequences, however much United fans want to ignore it.
What about Miranda at Inter as a possibility? Is he still decent enough?
Yes I do (but that doesn't mean I think Bailly won't be good - I've really no idea about him). You should go for no-nonsense, experienced CB who is already adapted to the Prem.
But the problem with selling Rojo or Jones (or most United players I'd guess) is that I'd imagine that they are on high wages compared to what any possible buying club could afford to pay (considering knock-on wage demands across their squads etc), so who will take them unless for a totally knock-down fee or United subsidising their wages?
We'll probably continue to suck at selling players. Their wages could be the problem as you say. The same thing that happened with Evans could be happening with Jones. Ultimately if Jones isn't needed anymore, he'll move on, since he'll want first team football.
Van Dijk is probably the only defender who's remotely available from the EPL, who I'd hope we sign. Don't think it's going to happen though. IMO Williams, Reid, Tomkins or Fonte aren't going to help us.
Why is this Spurs fan so obsessed with with United's finances?
I know it's' early but I think Smalling and Bailly have the makings of a great partnership. Both tall, quick, strong.
Jones and Blind as backups is okay, although Jones can't really be relied upon, and then there's TFM and Tuanzebe. I wouldn't want to limit the latter two's chances.
Jones and Blind as backups is okay, although Jones can't really be relied upon, and then there's TFM and Tuanzebe. I wouldn't want to limit the latter two's chances.
Obsessed with our finances? Feck, he's obsessed with the whole club. Just envy, presumably.
Jealous because Spurs are skint. I said back in January they'll struggle to buy because they're trying to get a new stadium and I've been proven right so far.
I would loan out Mcnair and sell Rojo. I would give Darmian another season to prove himself and sign Manolas or Van Dijk.
Got a lot of time for VVD, good shout.
I'd really like Van* Djik I think he's great, but it's not as simple as sell Jones and Rojo and buy him and that's that. Southampton won't want to sell and they've already lost a couple so I doubt they'll fancy selling another main player.
Hardly, when we have CL football to look forward to ... not to mention our new stadium.
You and everyone else, including me: it's hardly rocket science when we have a whole new stadium complex to finance. Spurs have had a very low net spend for several years past, long before January, all with the new stadium in mind.
But then again we have enough spare money for what we need this summer, namely to strengthen 3 or 4 squad cover/competition positions. Our first XI is already in good shape.
Some mod should change Glaston's tagline to 'financial chickens come home to roost'.
Has he improved a lot? I read Chelsea are in for him.
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Why are you lying? I remember last transfer window me and you had a conversation in which I said you can't afford a backup striker and Poch wasn't happy about it. You said you had plenty to spend and I was wrong that building a new ground will set you back financially.
You can't say one thing and then just pretend you didn't mate
Poultry farmer accountant.