Yeah he had a great season last year. He's a lot more solid now from what I've seen and he's fantastic on the ball. Him and Fonte has to be one of the most solid centre back pairings in the league for me.
Do we really need a new CB, if so who?
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He didn't realize that financial stadium chickens were coming back home to roost. He realizes now that Spurs can't indefinitely continue spending money because financial chickens will roost sooner than later.
He wasn't at the World Cup. He didn't make the team. I don't rate him.
We need a centre back. Jones and Rojo are too shit even to be cover. It doesn't have to be an experienced plaer, it can be a young player to use as cover. Smalling and Bailly can be out first choice, with Blind on cover at one side.
You are right. I confused him with De Vrij, the Dutch center back at the WC.
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Yeah he didn't. Though he was very impressive last season. However, Southampton would want £25m+ and I'm just not sure he's that level of CB yet.
Most likely yeah. Maybe Wenger pinched all the eggs and that's why they finished above them as usual.
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Me too, Ive said before that I'd like him to be paired with Smalling at UTD. Physically he's like Smalling, Big, Strong and aerially dominant, he's not as fast but he is a very good composed passer of the ball. I personally think they would make a solid partnership as between them they make up for each others flaws. I don't think Bailly is as good as people are making out to be and I think he will struggle initially. Having someone who has PL experience is vital in my opinion.
Of course Southampton would want good money for him, at £25 I'd make it a quick transition but I'd say they would want more. Selling McNair and Rojo would be the way to go to finance the deal but to be honest if they accepted I'd throw Jones at them + £10-15M for him.
If Smalling doesn't continue improving you'd probably see Mourinho go for one.
Smalling isn't good enough as it stands for me. Needs to press on. Hopefully Mourinho can aid that.
Smalling isn't good enough as it stands for me. Needs to press on. Hopefully Mourinho can aid that.
Smalling is around the same age Terry and Carvalho were during his first season at Chelsea.
We've just signed Janssen for £19m, in case you hadn't noticed.
The announcement of N'Koudou is imminent, which, together with Janssen and Wanyama, will take our net spend so far this window to around £40m. In other words, we have enough to spend for what we need, namely improvement of some squad cover/competition.
Financing our new stadium doesn't equate to our being "set back financially" because Spurs have continued to make a profit, and more importantly the new stadium complex when complete will hugely boost our income. In other words, Spurs have not embarked on the stadium project to be "set back financially", but quite the reverse.
Financing our new stadium might - as a possibility - have meant that our squad/team composition suffered. But clearly we have avoided this pitfall, since the squad is as strong as it's ever been in recent years and we have a pretty good first XI that doesn't need money spending on upgrades.
Manolas In Jones/Rojo out.
No it's not that simple of corse. But if we are after a centre back that's 2 that I'd go for. Koulibaly is another but I think Napoli will want a lot more for him. And it's
Spelt Van Dijk everywhere I've read.
They probably had more experience at that age than he does though? Carvalho had been a key part of a CL winning team too, so he had experience at a higher level than Smalling generally has since he became a starter.
Plus both Terry and Carvalho were obviously comfortably better players than Smalling too, which always helps.
Nope, When Jose joined Chelsea the 1st time, Terry was 23~24, but yes, Smalling is around Carvalho's age then. Carvalho joined Chelsea at 26, Smalling is not 27.
But you couldn't get anyone in January, in case you didn't notice that.
I said it makes you weaker financially and you said it's not rocket science, and now you're back tracking saying it doesn't?
You may have a pretty good Xi. But that's as far as it goes. Kane seems a good player, Alli has had a good first season and Eriksen, your keeper and Alderwieled or however it's spelt are pretty good. But the signings you've made haven't really improved you massively. You've made cheap signings that nobody else really wanted, and who won't take you to the next level. If you think you would've bought average players like Wanyama if you didn't have a ground to build your puddled. But then saying that I couldn't imagine Spurs buying much better anyway.
Spurs have a good team but to say that it doesn't need money spending on upgrades is idealistic to say the least.
Every team in the PL right now has plenty of positions that could be upgrade on. We do not have a United 08/09 or Chelsea 05 level team.
Godin or Thiago Silva for experience of Gimenez for potential. Any of them would be very difficult though.
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January or this summer - what's the real difference? Almost certainly the reason why we didn't sign a striker in January is that none suitable were available (few clubs will sell mid-season). To argue that we didn't because we were skint is just silly.
Let me quote the respected SwissRamble website, commenting towards the end of last season: "Tottenham’s improvement this season has not been at the expense of their finances, as they have just published another very solid set of financial results for the 2014/15 season with record revenue of £196 million and £12 million pre-tax profit (£9 million after tax). ... In fact, Spurs have made aggregate profits of £146 million since 2007, including £96 million in the last three years alone."
I said it's not rocket science that the stadium project means less money potentially available for signings. I didn't say it makes us financially weaker (that's your silly claim), because it doesn't - our income is not affected. And because we haven't needed to spend lots on new players (e.g. Alli and Dier cost just £9m in total) we've been able to invest more of our income (a) in our new training centre; and (b) towards securing a longer term financial basis for success - i.e. the new stadium complex.
If you want to continue arguing that Spurs are skint then I suggest switching to the Spurs 2015-16 thread.
How's Garay doing these days?
In terms of a first XI, there's a difference between saying that position X can be upgraded and saying that it needs to be upgraded. Yes, obviously, given unlimited money and unlimited pulling power Spurs could upgrade every position - the only downside being getting all the new players to gel together. But we have a settled team (and manager), who did well last season and will likely improve further this season due to young average age. So my argument - which I made before we signed any players this summer - is that any money available is best spent on squad cover/competition upgrades (because that was our main Achilles heel last season) rather than on trying to upgrade the first XI.
Please switch further comments on this (if any) to the Spurs 2015-16 thread.
I'd say he'd be one of the likeliest to join, if Mourinho wants an experienced CB.
You don't have a great first XI, if you had one you'd have won the league last season, you wouldn't have crumbled at the end of the line and you'd have had more than 70 points.
Spurs right now is operating in a different transfer market than other top teams, it'll be more clearer soon when united, city, arsenal and chelsea are done spending. For spurs to make that extra push, you don't need just depth, you need to attract top players to keep up with other top teams, stand still and i guarantee you other teams will take your place and easily.
As for those chickens, you've absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The glazers aren't sugar daddies, they wouldn't spend a dime we don't have on transfers, if we spend 200m this summer, it's be because we can, it's because the money is there, if we need to sell we'll sell, and once we reach our limit we'll stop.
If you want to copy your whole post into the Spurs thread then I'll reply.
I have been watching football for 25 years but I really do not remember a successful team, club or international, without an experienced player (even more than 1-2) in the backline (gk+defenders) Every single manager who wants to succeed knows that and it is universally acknowledged that this is the backbone of a team. Fergie has numerously said it (that he starts buidling his teams from the back), Mou has stated it, Ancelotti has stated it as well. Therefore I really think we need an experienced defender who can pass his knowledge to the others. A Laurent Blanc sort of a transfer...
It took a while for Carvalho to become first choice at Porto and only really established himself as World Class during that last season at Porto.
So, according to Big Duncan Castles, Jose wants an experienced centre back
Who would fit that profile?
John Terry (as hinted by Castles) - surely not
Garay
Pepe
Bonucci - Juve won't want to lose him and Pogba
Vidic???
Godin
Subotic
Dante - please no
Carvalho - OK, there's experienced and then there's too experienced
Who would fit that profile?
John Terry (as hinted by Castles) - surely not
Garay
Pepe
Bonucci - Juve won't want to lose him and Pogba
Vidic???
Godin
Subotic
Dante - please no
Carvalho - OK, there's experienced and then there's too experienced
Atletico Madrid will never sell him, not unless theres a astronomical offer. He's arguably been their best player for the last 3 seasons. Plus I don't think he would want to move.
Yep
I don't recall Castles hinting at Terry.
This should be a late decision, by the end of August, after Mourinho properly assesses the current centre-backs. There's too many uncertainties right now. Bailly has what it takes to enter right away in the first 11? Rojo should be out, though, but does Jones stay fit and is deemed useful?
He was the picture accompanying the tweet!
And? Where did he hint that we after him?
Highly doubt we'd spend a fortune for another defender. I can't think of an experienced defender that would come at a reasonable price.
Miranda.
Is the difference not that it looked like you could have a good season but because you only had one player who could score consistently your season went tits up and you finished a fairly mediocre third?
Regarding the rest of what you wrote if you don't think having less money makes you financially weaker than I don't know what to say to you.
All in all you couldn't afford a striker in January, your season went downhill and now you can't afford to improve your starting eleven.
Is he any good? I remember us chasing him for a while under Van Gaal.