Yes, but di Maria has always been more of an assists player, even now and he had 12 league assists that year. Plus, di Maria was extremely talented and everyone could see it. This guy just looks meh to me. His touch looks average for the most part. His pace is the only outstanding quality I can see. He only got 5 assists last year in the league also. It's not really the stats that are important though, I just don't think he looks great. Bebé has looked better in many of the clips I've seen of him last season. If they were paying £10m, I wouldn't be so pessimistic about it, but £20m is paying way too much. I do like the look of Origi though and his price is actually reasonable. A good target man. His finishing does look a little lacking for a striker and his goal stats last year weren't great, but he is just 19 and at that age stats aren't as important as the player's obvious abilities.
Divock Origi and Lazar Markovic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Yes, but di Maria has always been more of an assists player, even now and he had 12 league assists that year. Plus, di Maria was extremely talented and everyone could see it. This guy just looks meh to me. His touch looks average for the most part. His pace is the only outstanding quality I can see. He only got 5 assists last year in the league also. It's not really the stats that are important though, I just don't think he looks great. Bebé has looked better in many of the clips I've seen of him last season. If they were paying £10m, I wouldn't be so pessimistic about it, but £20m is paying way too much. I do like the look of Origi though and his price is actually reasonable. A good target man. His finishing does look a little lacking for a striker and his goal stats last year weren't great, but he is just 19 and at that age stats aren't as important as the player's obvious abilities.
Both are good signings and probably the right thing to do in getting them sown up before selling Suarez.
They've probably got the worst return on their money of all the teams in the league. They've spent more money than United (United will probably go 3rd in spending after the summer) and half as much as Arsenal.
Basically proving my point. Liverpool waste ridiculous amounts of money. Out of that list of 20 players only 3/4 were successes/ have the potential to suceed. Such incredible wastes of money. While Lallana will probably do okay, I doubt he'll justify the £25m spent on him, same on Markovic. Can could be hit or miss, same with Origi. Lambert will just be a squad player for the few years he's at Liverpool. Ultimately, Lovren will probably be the only signing people could look back on as being a good signing.
Markovic is an excellent signing. He has both the pace and the skill to tear defenders apart and he's still a very young player and I'm quite disappointed we didn't show any interest in this as he would have added some excitement to our very boring options of Nani, Young and Valencia on that right wing.
This is one very good performance I remember against Juventus. Such an exciting player.
This is one very good performance I remember against Juventus. Such an exciting player.
Markovic has potential to 88 on FIFA 14, so make of that what you will. He's a very good player but one for the future I'd say.
I wouldn't have been at all happy if we had signed him. He has pace yes, but skill? Not much that I've seen. Decent touch in a league where you're given a lot of space. Poor shot for the most part, no evident close control, average dribbling technique. Basically, I see him being a pacy player with little end product.
Always a positive I suppose.More than 3/4 have been/could be a success. Inluding only the ones likely to succeed or the ones that have succeeded, I'd say Sakho, Mignolet, Ilori, Sturridge, Coutinho, Allen, Henderson, Enrique, Suarez and Meireles. It's also very harsh to include Woy's signings considering how incompetent he was.
None of them have pulled on a Liverpool shirt yet and you're already saying they probably won't justify their pricetags? Give them a chance.
I always judge players based on exactly what EA Sports thinks of them
Generally, most quick wingers have very high potential on Fifa. It's not a good measure of a player's potential. If you were going to use a game for determining potential, Football Manager would probably be the most accurate, not that it means much either. In FM14, I think he turns out to generally be good, but not great.
Has it been 100m spent?
I was joking mate. And I know that they do tend to give wingers some high potential but Markovic is a stand out talent according to that game. Although when I bought him on Man Utd he never got better than 78 and I sold him back to Benfica.
Just under 90.
Good signings with potential, it's all about depth for Liverpool now and these 2 along with the other 4 they signed bring depth.
What they need though if they lose Suarez is QUALITY like 2 or 3 Pedro type players with the money they get from Suarez, I don't think Sanchez will be in any player exchange deal for Suarez but I'd try and get Pedro if i was them.
What they need though if they lose Suarez is QUALITY like 2 or 3 Pedro type players with the money they get from Suarez, I don't think Sanchez will be in any player exchange deal for Suarez but I'd try and get Pedro if i was them.
More than 3/4 have been/could be a success. Inluding only the ones likely to succeed or the ones that have succeeded, I'd say Sakho, Mignolet, Ilori, Sturridge, Coutinho, Allen, Henderson, Enrique, Suarez and Meireles. It's also very harsh to include Woy's signings considering how incompetent he was.
None of them have pulled on a Liverpool shirt yet and you're already saying they probably won't justify their pricetags? Give them a chance.
I'm not sure how Sakho, Illori (maybe in terms of potential) or Allen have succeeded. I'll give you one extra on Henderson, even though I think it's a bit of a stretch given the price. I suppose he can improve further though, so I'll put him in as a success. Meireles did well in the time he spent at Liverpool, but he moved on rather quickly, not sure how successful you could say he was. Enrique started well, but didn't do very well in his 2nd season and he barely played last year. Not a success as far as I'm concerned.
I'm just saying what I think about the signings and I believe the're in keeping with a lot of Liverpool's recent transfer business (with the exception of Lovren). I don't know if they will be poor, but being a Utd fan, why would I want to give them a chance mate? I'd understand more if you were saying this to another Liverpool fan and if I was a Scouser, I'd try to be as optimistic as I could. Since I'm not however, I'm judging them on what I've seen and most haven't really impressed me.
They'll be loaning out Origi back to Lille right?
I wouldn't judge you too much if you weren't, a lot of my friends judge European players based on Fifa
. Shame he didn't work out. Did you ever get Bakkali? Dude's weak, but becomes crazy talented. Was rated 93 on my last game and was still 25. De Sciglio is a beast too.I picked up Bakkali before but EA has dropped his potential to 86, it used to be 90+ before! And yes, De Sciglio and Alaba are the best fullbacks to have, both get to 88I wouldn't judge you too much if you weren't, a lot of my friends judge European players based on Fifa
I cant see a thread so just to ask whats the situation with Lovren?
He acted really poorly towards Soton imo.
He acted really poorly towards Soton imo.
You could look at this this way. Bebe scored more than twice as many goals as Markovic in a team that was fighting the relegation battle.
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Origi looks very raw, Markovic looks like he's got quite a bit of talent and potential but we all thought the same thing when Spurs signed Lamela.
I can't see a Sturridge/Lambert strikeforce putting the fear in their opponents like SAS did last year.
I can't see a Sturridge/Lambert strikeforce putting the fear in their opponents like SAS did last year.
Ya, I never got Alaba, but I'd imagine he becomes immense. De Sciglio was rated 91 in my last save. Tbh, even though Bakkali was rated higher, any time I played, De Sciglio was just on another level to any other player on the pitch on both teams. If we didn't have the ball, he'd use his pace to get back, his strength to hassle the attacker, his tackling to take the ball, his pace again to burst away, his dribbling to just go around players and his long shooting/finishing and shot power to send the ball flying into the net. The ultimate Fifa player
.I'll tell you something, Markovic isn't comparable to Lamella in terms of talent. How Erik didn't make it is beyond me, so technically gifted and dominated in the Serie A. That should make any manager worried about signing any big name player really.
Isn't Markovic 'raw' too?
Tbf to Bebé, he seemed to be fantastic last season. One of the league's stand out players. Just look at some of his goals.
I'm delighted he did well last season, because so many Utd fans treated him terribly and it was really unwarranted. The guy barely played for us ffs. He always did well in the reserves too and he had a very good pre-season last year. Listening to the media too much. Not saying he's good enough for Utd, but definitely good enough for most mid table Premier League sides.
Bah, marcovic seems to be highly rated. Origi looked a class talent at the World Cup too.
Can't Liverpool just stick to signing the carrol's of this world?
Can't Liverpool just stick to signing the carrol's of this world?
Too many people writing Spurs signings off based on a poor first season, which was largely responsible due to them having 2 managers who were not up to the job. Christ, AVB couldn't even get Chelsea's expensive rabble to perform well on a regular basis.
I think we'll see a much better Tottenham side next season, with some of the so-called 'foreign flops' showing their true worth under a much better manager.
Deja vu from last summer..
Why couldnt United sign Marko, he is one hell of a player.
I don't think any of the signings are a statement of intent.
The Belgian lad looks a good prospect though
The Belgian lad looks a good prospect though
Didn't make it? Bloody hell, he's 22 and spent most of the season injured and under 2 different managers who made the atmosphere at the club successively more toxic. I think people need to look a bit more long term with signings, rather than writing them off if they don't smash it up in their 1st season.
I like Marcovic a lot tbh. Haven't seen too much of the other one. If he doesn't come in and settle straight away, I'm sure he'll be labelled a flop.
How is that arguably worse? Sturridge is a million times better than either of Arsenal's strikers.
I'd want Lambert up front instead of Bendtner or Sanogoals, yes.
Too right, some of our fans were laughing at his signing before he'd even played for us saying shit like he was the homeless world cup star.
Was always going to be very difficult for an uneducated young man to learn English quickly while over here and attempt to fit in with his team mates, all the while having an £8m price tag weighing down on you, and no family to turn to for support (his parents abandoned him as a child).
I'm glad he's shown what he can do in Portugal.
His biggest asset is his pace, sadly his ball control at pace and under pressure is very poor. It stood out like dogs balls in the games he played. He will do well at first while defenders struggle to deal with a new player who is that quick but once they can deal with his pace he will struggle.
Looks a good value prospect for Liverpool unfortunately.
Details out today say it's £6m potentially rising to £9.5m.
Origi could end up as a huge steal for 10 million. He has excellent close quarter technique and dribbling and displayed deft touch.
Certainly it's not in stone that he'll reach his potential or come close to it, but I think he has a tremendous upside potential. Origi by himself was good business and I think that's likely that Origi will still net Liverpool 10 mil profit if he is reasonably successful.
Certainly it's not in stone that he'll reach his potential or come close to it, but I think he has a tremendous upside potential. Origi by himself was good business and I think that's likely that Origi will still net Liverpool 10 mil profit if he is reasonably successful.
Liverpoo seems to forget they got Borini aswell. They keep buying young talented strikers and then ruining them.
However great a player performs in the WC, it almost means nothing when it comes to club football. We'll see how they perform but I wouldn't be surprised to see Origi struggle
Markovic looks like a done deal. He's had his photo taken with the shirt and all now.