They won't finish top 4. Feel free to quote this come the end of the season.
Team having a new manager being in a purple patch, shocker!
Team having a new manager being in a purple patch, shocker!
Dippers to top the league by New Year?
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Everton scored 5 or 6 a few weeks back. I suppose we should panic whenever any PL team scores goals.
I doubt 6 goals is the goal of their or our season. The position in the league is what matters for us. And we're ahead of them by 5 points.
People need to calm down a bit. Yes they've scored 13 goals in their last 3 away games but they've scored 8 in their other 8.
So many short term fans on this site. If Lvg had served up two of their last three games this place would be in meltdown.
While the league is wide open this year I can't see Liverpool being the team with the best stamina out of all that compete. It might stay close for 3-4 teams until the last couple of game days but I don't think Liverpool will be among them.
I expect the top of the table to change on a weekly basis for a very long time. The only time the table matters though is after the last match day of the season.
They have a top manager who plays exciting attacking football
They have manager who has a track record in getting the best out of players in his time at Dortmund
They have decent squad depth and great options up front with Benteke, Sturridge and even fecking Origi is starting to perform - strong creative support in Coutinho and Firmino
They have an effective way of playing with their pressing game and their major issue under Rodgers - defending - seems to have been improved
At the minute they look a better bet for top 4 than us - if we continue to stutter and I expect us to draw a lot of games then we might be in trouble
Klopp has instilled a belief in Liverpool.... something Van Gaal hasn't done for more than a few games in a row in the latter part of last season
They have manager who has a track record in getting the best out of players in his time at Dortmund
They have decent squad depth and great options up front with Benteke, Sturridge and even fecking Origi is starting to perform - strong creative support in Coutinho and Firmino
They have an effective way of playing with their pressing game and their major issue under Rodgers - defending - seems to have been improved
At the minute they look a better bet for top 4 than us - if we continue to stutter and I expect us to draw a lot of games then we might be in trouble
Klopp has instilled a belief in Liverpool.... something Van Gaal hasn't done for more than a few games in a row in the latter part of last season
Lets not get carried away. Theyve had some good results typical of any club with a new manager in amongst some very average ones. When Klopp gets them fired up they are capable of playing aggressively and winning games, but thats as far as it goes. Its a long way before he can get them playing consistently how he wants.
They could have been 2 or 3 down inside 10 minutes last night, and Southampton were shocking defensively. Its not like it was the worlds best performance.
They could have been 2 or 3 down inside 10 minutes last night, and Southampton were shocking defensively. Its not like it was the worlds best performance.
Stop posting common sense it's not welcomed....
If they buy well in January they might have a chance. For now it's
Because they had a very poor start to the season. If we take Klopp time in isolation I believe they've got more points than us and they were very average in the first few games after his arrival, obviously a lot of that due to the continous form from before. 5 points is really nothing at this stage, if they buy well in January they'll very likely finish ahead of us.
Because they had a very poor start to the season. If we take Klopp time in isolation I believe they've got more points than us and they were very average in the first few games after his arrival, obviously a lot of that due to the continous form from before. 5 points is really nothing at this stage, if they buy well in January they'll very likely finish ahead of us.
They've got less points than us since he joined.
And they didn't have a very poor start. They started well and had a stutter. It's obviously called a terrible start by all Liverpool fans now because Rodgers is now old and bad news whereas Klopp is the greatest thing ever. They started fine, not great but not poor either. About par for Liverpool.
If they buy well? Okay, if we buy well they'll probably be miles behind us.
Not having it. They'll come back to earth soon enough
Pointwise, our start was only mildly disappointing really.
It was the performances that were vastly disappointing. Klopp made an instant impact on that by immediately making the defenders and midfield organised. It took two weeks, Brendan, not three years.
I expect our difficulty will be the same as we've had for more than a year now. Scoring goals. With Sturridge and Coutinho fit, it's going to be much much easier.
It was the performances that were vastly disappointing. Klopp made an instant impact on that by immediately making the defenders and midfield organised. It took two weeks, Brendan, not three years.
I expect our difficulty will be the same as we've had for more than a year now. Scoring goals. With Sturridge and Coutinho fit, it's going to be much much easier.
We were only mentally stable with Fergie around. Still not giving up on the Caf though, least not until we start making shit poetry and losing imaginary arguments with imaginary scousers.
Looking forward to seeing how they do under Klopp with all of their key men (Coutinho, Henderson, Sturridge) coming back to full fitness.
You can add Sakho to that list as well now.
He's been an absolute rock ever since Klopp came in.
Klopp will probably win the champions league, the Euros and then the world cup to top it off. Bestest manager since the dawn of time.
I've already said that his first few games were average which was to be expected. 3-1 at Stamford, 4-1 at Etihad and 6-1 at St Mary's are the sort of results that show the potential in this set up. They still lack quality somewhat but I don't think their team personnel wise is much worse than United (defence is particular worry but they've done reasonably well defensively recently, offensively they're probably better than us) and their approach is million times better than ours. I think they will run us close and won't finish more than 5-6 behind us if at all.
Didn't say which New Year
Lets all fawn over Klopp. Ffs.
Id say yes but Sakho missing leaves them with little depth and quality in that back 5
Those away games won't be easy. Doubt it.
It's a favourable set of fixtures. They also have a good run in the new year, playing nearly all of the big sides at home. They've played Arsenal, City, United, Chelsea and Spurs away already. All their big games are at home now, including the Merseyside Derby, but Everton never win that anyway.
This is their remaining away fixtures in the league:
Newcastle, Watford, Sunderland, West Ham, Norwich, Leicester, Villa, Palace, Southampton, Bournemouth, Swansea, West Brom.
That's as cushy as it can get, considering we're only in the start of December. Leicester is the stand-out fixture, but you'd expect Leicester to have run out of steam by February, as Southampton began to do last season.
I don't think they'll be top by the start of the new year, but I think they'll be top 3 or 4.
This is their remaining away fixtures in the league:
Newcastle, Watford, Sunderland, West Ham, Norwich, Leicester, Villa, Palace, Southampton, Bournemouth, Swansea, West Brom.
That's as cushy as it can get, considering we're only in the start of December. Leicester is the stand-out fixture, but you'd expect Leicester to have run out of steam by February, as Southampton began to do last season.
I don't think they'll be top by the start of the new year, but I think they'll be top 3 or 4.
We doing the "this year is their year" shit for them now?
Us in November = 5 goals
Liverpool between 19:45 and 21:30 on 02/12/15 = 6 goals
Liverpool between 19:45 and 21:30 on 02/12/15 = 6 goals
Seriously.....they have hardly looked convincing where it matters in the PL and suddenly after a couple of decent results they are now title contenders
If I had to put my last fiver on anybody winning the title there would be at least 4 or 5 teams I would pick ahead of Liverpool. They still haven't convinced me they can win games against opposition who set up purely to snatch a point.
Plus, everybody knows you get a decent run of results with a new manager. Poyet, Advocaat and Di Canio achieved the same at Sunderland. Are they now managerial geniuses?
If I had to put my last fiver on anybody winning the title there would be at least 4 or 5 teams I would pick ahead of Liverpool. They still haven't convinced me they can win games against opposition who set up purely to snatch a point.
Plus, everybody knows you get a decent run of results with a new manager. Poyet, Advocaat and Di Canio achieved the same at Sunderland. Are they now managerial geniuses?
We haven't played in December yet so that's a bit unfair.
They won't shut up about it for years if they do.
We will beat them at Anfield, even with 10 men plus Rooney. Why? Because our players are technically far superior (except Rooney).
It would definitely qualify for an Alanis Morissette song. Waits a career for a title, shouts 'this does not slip! When it is in reach, slips and loses the title, spends a year being mocked in every ground, turns down a contract and then we go and win it as soon as he leaves.
It's so scripted that I suspect divine intervention. Also adds to the likelihood of us actually winning it. I wonder what kind of hubris he committed for all this to happen.
I always find this argument interesting; the above is one way to look at it, but I often like another because it never quite works like that.
Every away game is tough in this league, just look at Arsenal at West Brom and Norwich, and City at Villa. If you suddenly mix all of your tough aways with tough games at home against the big sides as well, you can find yourself with a hell of a run. Suddenly if you lose a home game you can find yourself struggling for wins 3 games on the bounce. It changes so quickly this league.
You are overthinking this. It's not rocket science.
Teams generally drop points to top teams far more often than to lower teams. That's how top teams end up with more points than lower teams.
Playing good teams at home and poor teams should increase your chances of picking up points more than the other way around.
Not a chance. They are still mediocre at home.
Liking Phil Collins enough to twat someone for not playing it, maybe?
Henderson and Sturridge back. If (big if) they can keep them fit, they'll make a huge difference.
We are, in fairness.
We'll need Coutinho fit and Firmino and Benteke to play well more consistently to be able to consistently break down teams that park the bus against us.
If Sturridge somehow stays fit the rest of the season, that's a gamechanger. Then we're challenging for the title.
Yeah. I think you lot are better playing on the counter right now. But yeah if you can keep Sturridge fit I think you'll challenge but I'm not sure he will stay fit.
You can believe that if you want to, but I am confident in predicting you won't. Your goalkeeper is significantly worse than the keepers at United, Arsenal and City, your defence is similarly lagging behind, the midfield is not even close to the level of that at Arsenal and United, your wide options are simply average when compared to those at Arsenal and City, and you cannot place Coutinho and Sturridge in the same league as Aguero and Silva.
If Sturridge stays fit, you'll challenge for the top four.
Overall quality of the squad is just one of the many factors though, like Rodgers proved in 2013/2014. Confidence, style of play and knowing what's expectef of you is equally as important, just like many other things. United's overall quality is without question better than ours yet we're playing better football at the moment.
Mignolet has kept the most clean sheets in the Premier League in 2015, yes he isn't close to the level of Cech or De Gea but all in all he's a good goalkeeper. Arsenal's midfield might be better but what does that get you if Coquelin, Ramsey, Cazorla and Wilshere are all out injured for several months (and that's ignoring Alexis, Walcott and Ox)? On top of that, our strikers options are the best in the league imo, with only City's arguably on par thanks to Aguero's brilliance.
It'd be down to the incompetence of the other contenders if we end up challenging for the title (which I don't think we will), but a top four finish is certainly a possibility this season and that's what we should be aiming for - it was the objective before the season and a couple of good results in a row shouldn't change that one bit.
Say 80 points needed to win the PL Liverpool need to find 57 points from 24 games.
That is 4 point more than they got in season 2013-14 from their last 24 games.
Even for them to get 76 points they need to match the amazing run from that season.
Highly unlikely it will happen.
Incidentally looking at the table I think 78-80 points could be enough this year.
That is 4 point more than they got in season 2013-14 from their last 24 games.
Even for them to get 76 points they need to match the amazing run from that season.
Highly unlikely it will happen.
Incidentally looking at the table I think 78-80 points could be enough this year.