You guys remember Vidic and Evra? They weren't 19 years old either, have some feckin' patience.
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Dec 08th, against Fulham, only 7 pages ago, he was exciting, ace, superb, great, brilliant, excelent..
fast forward to Dec, 26th he is slow, poor, not good enough.
Please... Obviously he needs game time, he will get it, then he will be ace again.
fast forward to Dec, 26th he is slow, poor, not good enough.
Please... Obviously he needs game time, he will get it, then he will be ace again.
Agreed.
Dalot is slow according to the experts on here. Meanwhile he recorded a top speed above 34 kph in his last game.
I'm not writing him off but at Porto he was behind Ricardo Pereira (now at Leicester) in the pecking order and rightly so. For now Leicester have a better right back than us. We should play him in the easier games and hope he improves or get proven quality in in the summer as first choice.
If he’d tucked away Rashfords cross I think we’d be having a completely different discussion tonight. Great anticipation to get on the end of it.
He doesn’t look that solid in defence but I also don’t think our formation is doing him any favours.
He’d have been better in the previous fixture with Herrera in front of him rather than Mata in my opinion.
He doesn’t look that solid in defence but I also don’t think our formation is doing him any favours.
He’d have been better in the previous fixture with Herrera in front of him rather than Mata in my opinion.
The kids 19 .. he's not going to be the finished article defensively and positionally at that age. He shows great promise - good physicality and speed and a wicked cross - needs to be eased in over the next couple of seasons against the weaker opposition I think he'll be very good personally in time. Anyone writing off a 19 year old for a few mistakes is a loon.
He's 19 guys. Calm the feck down.
The talent is obviously here, but currently Young is ahead of him. He needs to improve his defensive side first and it's shame he's not that fast compared to his age.
He's really not fast. Not slow but for 19 age you'll expect him to be much faster than that. It's not the first game for him we comment on this also.
I have seen this tweet loads of time now. This is the speed of one sprint as far as I'm concerned and in 1 half, doesn't mean being fast or slow. You can see in all games he played so far he got outrun several times.
Playing the worst team in the league at home. It was an easy game, he just got a difficult opponent. He didn't have a good game, but will have learned a lot. I've no doubt if he can stay fit he's going to be a very good player.
Yeah it always seems like he's struggling to catch up when the ball gets played in behind him. Maybe that can be helped with better initial positioning.
His pace is not a problem. The problem is that I don't see a developed defensive instinct yet. Hence, gets burned by anyone on his flank, inside and outside.
I don't think he's a RB. He plays like a winger that got converted to defender.
Maybe he is more suited to a wingback roll?
Whilst I really want to see teirny here at LB - maybe one day we may see Dalot at RWB & Sessegnon at LWB (don't see him as a LW) - adding cover to a back 3 and being the main width to the flanks.
Dalot - Bailly--Lindelöf - Rojo - Sessegnon
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As an all out FB that concentrates primarily on defending he might have to move away from his more natural game.
Whilst I really want to see teirny here at LB - maybe one day we may see Dalot at RWB & Sessegnon at LWB (don't see him as a LW) - adding cover to a back 3 and being the main width to the flanks.
Dalot - Bailly--Lindelöf - Rojo - Sessegnon
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As an all out FB that concentrates primarily on defending he might have to move away from his more natural game.
Difficult and unfair to judge Dalot on yesterdays performance. I think the biggest issue yesterday was Dalot playing without a partner. Fullbacks thrive in partnerships. Even Shaw didn't have a particularly good game with Martial not available.
He’s not slow. He’s clocked at the highest speed for our first half. He’s slow in the sense Usain bolt looks slow on a football pitch. Positioning and reaction time. It will come with time. He’s our full back for many many years to come
He reminds me of Trippier. Good on the ball, intelligent player but not a great athlete and constantly seems to be at risk of players just kicking it past him and beating him for pace. When he starts games it should be with Smalling or Bailly as the right CB as they will be able to cover that weakness better than Lindelof.
Totally agree with you. Youngsters make mistakes, it is all part of the learning curve. Although I didn't manage to watch yesterday's game, I think he he has a lot of potential.
At least he is getting the games to make these mistakes now, so they get ironed out. If he was constantly making the same mistakes for eg 6-7 years, I personally would have an issue.
Let him make them now, learn from them and enjoy his game and blossom into the player that many poster's on here think he will become.
I rate Wan-Bissaka at Palace higher and I do think Dalot's lack of pace will be a problem.
He has two relatively big flaws, his positioning and his stance in 1v1. Both should be fixed with time and training sessions.
Top speed is almost completely irrelevant for a football player.
i) Most footballers and/or top sprinters reach their top speed after 40-50-60 meters. After how long is individual. It is extremely rare to begin with that players make these kind of runs during a foootball game: in a straight line and for at least 50 meters without change of direction or hindrance. Fullbacks are the most likely to do so, which is why they are often high on these types of list.
ii) even for a top sprinter its not the top speed that is the most important, its how you are able to reasonably maintain the top speed once you have reached it, because its going to decrease from there inevatibly.
What it means for a football player is that its
a) most important that you reach your individual top speed ASAP; and
b) that it doesnt decrease too much when you reached it; than what the actual top speed is.
I am not going to call top speed irrelevant, but it is pretty close because of these reasons.
iii) So when it comes to footballers the eye test is actually the most effective. And Dalot does not look fast/explosive. He probably has a very high top speed but it will be reached late in the 40-60ms span to be "football-effective".
Did anyone notice OGS' reaction when Dalot failed to put Rashford's cross in the net? He had a laugh. I think it will be good to be encouraging to a young player like Dalot than to criticise. I believe he will grow into his role.
He sprinted at a pace of 34.69km/hr yesterday. The quickest sprint in the game.
No, it was not. It was the highest measured top speed. Its something completely different. See my post above.
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The most effective way of determining "quickness" in football would probably be to test it using something similar to the 40-yard dash that NFL and college-recruitment uses in the US. Its probably would be the most effective measurement to use for determining "football-effective" speed.
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Yea I mentioned this to my dad when I was watching. Ole reacted as anyone would, disappointment that he didn't score but then immediately applauding the effort and being there to miss. We all know what Mourinho would've done...
I think this is an important point as encouragement breeds confidence.
If this happens and players get thrown under the bus it might discourage them to shoot when presented with a similar situation. Next times it happens, he shoots and there is a good chance it could go in the back of net.
He tried to outsprint Robertson twice at Anfield. He failed both times. He is not slow but pace is not his main asset.
Volatility in performance level is the hallmark of a young footballer. I'm certain we will see plenty more brilliance and mistakes from him before his performances stabilize
Stylish but lacks tenacity. Not much of an upgrade from Damian imo. Of course he's still young but I'm a bit worried about him being able to toughen up. He's not going to be another Evra. Thats for sure!
Evra was absolutely awful for us in the beginning. Just relax.
That Huddersfield guy right?, the guy is rapid.
Get a grip, he's 19 and he's been out with injuries for the majority of the season.
Mbenza would out pace all our attackers, never mind Dalot..
His reaction speed will improve with more games. He was injured for about 5 months..
Agree - he's class and a realistic transfer. One on one he's very strong which sets him apart from the majority of the wing backs in the PL
An important point. Rooney was still registering among the fastest top speeds when everyone thought his pace was gone. Whilst a high top speed is good acceleration is more important.
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