Didn't we play both of them against Chelsea in the league game a couple of seasons ago...We beat them 3-0 if i remember rightly?
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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Do you really think he was appalling? I think that's incredibly harsh. Is that because of his lack of goals generally?
Here's an interesting stat I think - Berbatov scored 12 league goals last season, the same amount as Rooney the season before. I think the criticism about his goals last season was very harsh.
If he can get 12 goals in 24 starts last season, I think it's not outrageous to believe he'll get 16+ in the league alone this season, and that's the second highest amount Rooney's ever had after last season(and would have him in and around the top 5 scorers judging by recent records). I know Rooney's not all about the goals, obviously, but then Berbatov's not either.
No. I'm sure several other posters will join you in attempting to change history and mark it down that Berbatov was exactly the same last season, even though the truth is he was slower, a bit less direct and showed none of the same appetite to get in behind the defence which is probably linked to his finding of another yard of pace.
He's looking the part right now more than at any other time in his United career, for certain.
I'm really not surprised that you dont think you've seen anything new. It has nothing at all to do with Berbatov though.
He also completely ignores Nani's injury last season when blasting him for the first half of last season, but for Berbatov apparently its the reason he wasnt doing the business.
Typical.
ТАТ ЗА ТЕБ was written on his shirt (which means 'God loves me' in Bulgarian)
problem?
problem?
God loves me > I belong to jesus
I don't see how they can't try playing Scholes and Carrick sitting in midfield, pinging passes, with Rooney ahead of them playing deep collecting the ball. Berbatov then flanked by Nani and Valencia/Giggs
He's always going to be measured as how effective as a striker he was for the club. The previous year, Rooney was playing second fiddle to Ronaldo and Berbatov was virtually 3rd choice behind Ronaldo and Rooney. Rooney himself suffered a very bad year, and had to be shunted out to the left wing for a few number of matches.
Last season, Berbatov was virtually our second best striker and bottled it when Rooney was out injured. Somehow, you blokes fail to understand how quickly Fergie couldn't wait to bring back Rooney from his injury and play him over Berbatov and think that quite absolves him from the blame of European exits!!!
Well yeah, let's just rejoice at the fact that Berbatov will score 16+ league goals, and expect Nani to do a Ronaldo and continue to bring him down coz he can't score 25+?
I've no idea why you keep bringing Nani into it, it seems entirely irrelevant and somewhat ironic even.
As for rejoicing about Berbatov scoring 16 league goals...well yeah, if he did score that amount it would be something to be quite happy about. In 06/07 it would've had him as 4th top scorer, 07/08 5th, 08/09 3rd...you seem to be implying it's not all that? Given what else he brings to the game I can't see why anyone would be complaining with that record.
You sure you've not got a hint of irrational bias against Berbatov?
As for rejoicing about Berbatov scoring 16 league goals...well yeah, if he did score that amount it would be something to be quite happy about. In 06/07 it would've had him as 4th top scorer, 07/08 5th, 08/09 3rd...you seem to be implying it's not all that? Given what else he brings to the game I can't see why anyone would be complaining with that record.
You sure you've not got a hint of irrational bias against Berbatov?
I thought I'll make a reference to Nani because of Pogue Mahone, who was more than happy to attribute any sort of a very good rating yesterday to caf muppetry. And if he scores 16+ and we are going to be content about it equating to the performance of previous years, someone has to play the fill in with the goals of Ronald/Rooney and at the moment, only Nani seems to be capable of it.
Given what else he brings to the game, Being the 4th , 5th and 3rd top scorer is just not enough.
All I want to see from Berbs is once he passes the ball, he gets into the right posistions were we can pass the ball to him and he can try his typical artistic-que finishes...
He's movement off the ball has certainly improved this season... still would love to see him roam around the penalty box to go for more long shots...
Anyway, how would people rate him to Cantona's performance, what does he lack to become one of our most important players ?
He's movement off the ball has certainly improved this season... still would love to see him roam around the penalty box to go for more long shots...
Anyway, how would people rate him to Cantona's performance, what does he lack to become one of our most important players ?
Being the third top scorer in the league isn't good enough? That sounds like you've got unfairly high expectations.
Can't we spread the goals around like we did in 06/07? Ronaldo only had 17 league goals in that season, Rooney had 14, for comparison's sake. If you've got someone like Rooney scoring 30 goals in a season you really don't need anyone else scoring 20+.
Can't we spread the goals around like we did in 06/07? Ronaldo only had 17 league goals in that season, Rooney had 14, for comparison's sake. If you've got someone like Rooney scoring 30 goals in a season you really don't need anyone else scoring 20+.
We've been doing well in those 2 seasons because Ronaldo was having a mother fecker of a spell. And everything will be in comparison to what Chelsea do, and they have started off like how they ended last season.
What did we achieve after Rooney scoring 30 goals last season? Only for him to suffer an injury and we messing it up when it mattered. I would rather prefer Berbatov as one of our main strikers to pick up the mantle and see us through, instead of hiding behind 'the entire team played bad, he's unfairly blamed' excuse.
Its hard to say what he lacks to become one of our most important players, because we've seen a new version of Berbatov so far this season. At least in a United shirt. He most resembles the Berbatov of Spurs - but looks a tad faster than that too. However we're so early into the season and this may not last. Only time will tell.
But the main things Berbatov lacked to be "one of our most important players" till now, was movement in behind the defence, very good goalscoring consistancy and in all kinds of matches not just against lower quality opposition.
If Berbatov continues to play the way he has so far this season in terms of movement, and scores a few more in top of the table or important champions league matches then thats when he can become one of our most important players. Its certainly not beyond him.
BerbaBoss so far this season. Our man is purring class so far.
I really feel like he will be the main man for quite a few weeks to come.
I really feel like he will be the main man for quite a few weeks to come.
If Berbatov and Nani perform like this all through out the season, and hoping Valencia and Rooney's form returning, we'll be pushing Chelsea all the way.
On a serious note, Berbs has already started this season off wonderfully and from what I understand, he can still do better...
Sounds really inspiring really...
Here's hoping:
Berbaflop ---> Berbagod !
Sounds really inspiring really...
Here's hoping:
Berbaflop ---> Berbagod !
Dimiflop Berbaflop to Dimistar Brilliantov.
ТАТ ЗА ТЕБ was written on his shirt (which means 'God loves me' in Bulgarian)
problem?
thanks
This thread isn't about me, you bizarrely obssessed weirdo. Now piss off and eat some lasagne, there's a good chap. You're missing out.
ТАТ ЗА ТЕБ was written on his shirt (which means 'God loves me' in Bulgarian)
problem?
yup, problem. it doesn't mean 'god loves me' in bulgarian at all.
I'm disappoint.
What does it mean?
"for you, dad?"
"for you, dad?"
basically, yes, with a typo. ТАТЕ means 'dad' 'за теб' means "for you".
It's a bit odd though, you are the biggest Berbatov wanker around here, so it could be about you.
"Berbatov wanker", eh?
You've a very strange individual.
How's that Italian food boycott going? Been tempted by a slice of pizza? Maybe a spoonful of tiramisu?
You've a very strange individual.
How's that Italian food boycott going? Been tempted by a slice of pizza? Maybe a spoonful of tiramisu?
I still don't get how Berbatov 'bottled' it. I really baffles me. We played 7 games after the Rooney injury, winning 5 of them. Unfortunately due to defensive errors and our inability to keep the ball, one of those victories saw us go out of the CL. I'm still amazed at how people continue to blame Berbatov despite him coming on the pitch for all of 10 minutes along with Giggs. Both were ineffective. We couldn't get the ball in that final 10 minutes, I think we only had the 1 real chance and that fell to Nani.
v Chelsea L
v Bayern W
v Blackburn D
v City W
v Spurs W
v Sunderland W
v Stoke W
For me people same to take issue with the Chelsea and Blackburn games, both those coming after CL games, both games in which our opposition had had a weeks rest and as a result much better prepared for the game than ourselves.
Against Chelsea I'd agree Berbatov was pretty ineffectual, certainly for the first hour or so. When however we brought Nani and Macheda on and switched to a 442, Berbatov looked a lot more threatening and lively. The midfield and in particular Scholes were poor that day, if Berbatov's not getting service he's never going to score.
Against Blackburn again we were just out of ideas. A lot of the ball but doing very little with it. Our best chance of the game actually came to Valencia, when Berbatov put him through one on one. If Valencia scores we probably go on to win the game and it's us winning the title by a point. Football is a game of fine margins though. Berbatov was one of our better players on the day anyway.
City he didn't start. Came on in the second half for about 10 minutes and looked lively enough.
Sunderland I thought he had a good game, got into a lot of good positions, played a part in the goal and had several chances himself. It was just one of those days were we couldn't put the ball in the net. We've had many of those down the years. Again I thought Berbatov had a good game.
Against Spurs he played a crucial part in winning the first penalty with an excellent burst of pace. Again was largely ineffectual in the first half when we were playing with 1 up top and just hoofing it but when we switched to 442 he and the team looked a lot better for it.
And Stoke he was good in the good in the first half, getting an assist. The second half was routine because we knew the title was lost and there wasn't much worth playing for.
His end of season performances were nowhere near as bad as people make out. Nor was his performance in the season overall, I agree with Pogue's assessment on the previous page (Though I do think he has stepped it up another level this season). But everybody likes a scapegoat and unfortunately Berbatov is ours at the moment. He'll most likely be dropped when we switch to a 451 and people will see this and come to the conclusion he's a shit player.
can we now concentrate on his good form and leave last season, please?
Probably the best post in the thread.
Berba was really shit in the second half against Blackburn last season and his attitude was terrible. He was shit against Chelsea and Sunderland too.
Apparently not.
I don't understand why some posters seem to want him to be shit. I guess they want him to justify all their previous posts decrying him. But seriously, it's pretty embarrassing.
because its more important for them to be right, than him doing well and helping the team. the guy started the season well, seems to be enjoying his football, fair enough to the guy, bouncing back from a disappointing season. now whether he continues like this, remains to be seen. but i actually think this season he will come good!
Thats true. But it works both ways. There were posters going on and on about how brilliant he was when he was wasnt playing very well at all. For some reason a lot of people find it very hard to call it down the middle with him and either go over the top with embarrassing praise or go over the top with embarrassing abuse.
Berba seems to finally be delivering, great stuff, my secret fanboiness is finally coming out for him!
Keep it up! this is what we have all been waiting for, excellent goal by the way.
Keep it up! this is what we have all been waiting for, excellent goal by the way.
Agreed, at times last season all he had to do is control a ball and suddenly 10 threads would spring up stating his genius.
And correct, the mindless slagging of him got ridiculous at times.
Amen.
There are some players in our squad that attract really extreme opinions.
I would say Berbatov, Carrick, Nani and O'Shea all fit in that category. To a lesser extent, so does Fletcher.
What they all have in common? Feck knows.
Encouraging start to the season from Berbatov. I hope he stays in the team.
Anderson aswell
Indeed, unlike previous seasons, I think we are all in agreement he has truly earned his place
I know it's probably a formation thing, but who knows, with this form he may even start some big games this seasom, here's hoping
Yeah, him too. Although it's so long since he had a really good game the extreme praise has died off somewhat.
Actually, I think I know what all those players have in common. They all get unfair criticism at various times throughout the season, due to a very small proportion of posters deciding they're not United quality and never will be.
This riles people up, so when they put in a good performance, it gets massively hyped up. Then the next mediocre display brings out all the brick-bats again.
Meanwhile, you've got players like Rooney, Evra and Vidic - about whom there's zero controversy - who can put in good, bad or indifferent performances without attracting anything like the same extremes of praise or abuse.
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