Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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Our second choice striker a reserve
well, hes not a regular is he
He is not a reserve either. If he was he'd never be first choice to partner Rooney when we use 4-4-2.well, hes not a regular is he
We don't play 38 games in the league with a lone striker. We don't do it in the FA Cup, Carling Cup or even in all the CL games. So Berbatov is hardly a reserve.
This season and last season have shown that it is not all about just winning the games against the top teams or drawing against them. Being able to unlock the lower half teams is just as important. We can't do it playing the lone striker formation.
Everyone seems to prize the league as the most important but, then come across as it is our god given right to win the "gimmes" with whatever team/formation. Berbatov will be important for us next season. Him and Rooney will continue to improve playing along side one another and as Valencia/Nani become more of regular pairing, a better understanding will be formed with the front 4, we'll see us become more potent.
This season started off pretty weird with our constant changing of the midfield, Valencia bedding in, Nani/Giggs in and out of the team and Berbatov/Rooney still building a partnership. Then the injuries to both Rooney and Berbatov, then more problems with midfield playing in defense and then we've gone with a lot of games playing with a lone striker. There was the whole question mark of Rooney playing deeper and Berbatov being further up the pitch but, I think that has finally been settled now.
That hasn't helped the Rooney/Berbatov partnership but, they've still shown marked signs of improvement playing along side one another. Selling him is not going to the way to go IMO because I think if we try buy a big name striker, he'll just get moody when Rooney is playing the "big" games on his own.
This season and last season have shown that it is not all about just winning the games against the top teams or drawing against them. Being able to unlock the lower half teams is just as important. We can't do it playing the lone striker formation.
Everyone seems to prize the league as the most important but, then come across as it is our god given right to win the "gimmes" with whatever team/formation. Berbatov will be important for us next season. Him and Rooney will continue to improve playing along side one another and as Valencia/Nani become more of regular pairing, a better understanding will be formed with the front 4, we'll see us become more potent.
This season started off pretty weird with our constant changing of the midfield, Valencia bedding in, Nani/Giggs in and out of the team and Berbatov/Rooney still building a partnership. Then the injuries to both Rooney and Berbatov, then more problems with midfield playing in defense and then we've gone with a lot of games playing with a lone striker. There was the whole question mark of Rooney playing deeper and Berbatov being further up the pitch but, I think that has finally been settled now.
That hasn't helped the Rooney/Berbatov partnership but, they've still shown marked signs of improvement playing along side one another. Selling him is not going to the way to go IMO because I think if we try buy a big name striker, he'll just get moody when Rooney is playing the "big" games on his own.
Truth is anyone bringing up Berbatov's wages in any argument is either stupid or called Ekeke.
yeah yeah semantics really, im sure he meant sub not reserve
you're good lad?
disagree
there is a direct correlation between wage bill and position in the league. in mid 90's there was an extensive research on this. if really want to read that paper pm me your email i'll send it to you.
the point is that wages do tell you about expected value of service from a player and also what's the demand for his service.
In the games that count he is a reserve. He does play as first teamer in lesser games. Stating that do we need a 100k a week striker to score goals against Hull or Wigan?
I stick to what I say, If we have to give a 100k a week to a player then I'd rather give it to a player who fits in our system and whom can be relied on in every match rather then someone who doesn't. Nowadays Rooney is THE FORWARD LINE (not in the literal way but very close to it).
Pretty sure the 3 points we get from teams like Bolton count as much as 3 points from "the games that count".
Do we need 100k a week player to play in those games? Who knows but, it certainly helps to have someone of Berbatov's quality and class to unlock teams that are there not to concede against us.
If anything we've seen about United over the last several years, it is the quality of our squad that has lead us to silverware and not having a defined starting XI that is suited for every type of game out there.
I am not saying that we should dismantle our strength in depth that would be stupid. What I am saying is whether we need to have a 100k a week striker if that same striker is not suited to the system we tend to rely on against the big boys. I mean lets face it, Berba's flicks are nice to see but the truth is that he had done nothing to reduce our dependence on Rooney. In fact I can't remember a time when we were as dependent to 1 striker as this season. Now would you swap a striker full of flicks with one who is capable to replace Rooney without making our forward line look like as dangerous as a toothless chihuahua? I would.
Honestly I can think of a various reserve strikers who where more useful for United then Berba had ever been. Ole, Sheringham and Saha are amongst that list.
the rumor mill at its best. yet another article of Bebratov NOT leaving United. Interesting.
Ahhh agents, almost as trustworthy as red top writers.
What would an agent have to gain by saying his player's staying put, though?
Because Fergie notoriously hates deals getting into the press ahead of being concluded? My comment was really just about how agent's say one thing and then the complete opposite happens.
Ahh fair enough. Yeah, I wouldn't trust an agent as far as my scrawny weakling arms could throw him. Still, I think Fergie's stance on keeping transfers quiet is more in regards to players coming in than ones going out. When you're a buyer in an auction, you want as few competing buyers as possible. When you're a seller in an auction, you want as many competing buyers as possible.
But of course on several occasions Fergie has flat out denied a player is going and then suddenly the deal is done, we saw it with Veron, Stam and Ronnie, which suggests maybe Fergie prefers a straight negotiation with an interested party as opposed to a meat market haggling type situation.
Wages are an important consideration in whether we should keep a player or not. If we're paying a player £5m a year then that's £5m that could be going elsewhere, such as the transfer budget, or wages for other players we may sign with the existing budget.
Yeaaah maybe so. Although I don't think the Ronaldo situation is comparable, no one was going to outbid Real on that one, and Real was the only club Ronaldo wanted to go to. Whatever way you look at it anyway, the agent saying Berbatov's going to be at United next season doesn't necessarily mean he will be, but it certainly doesn't mean it's any more likely that he's going to be going.
In other words, the money would just have to go towards whoever we'd be replacing him with. So the only consideration is whether or not we want to replace him, right?
Agreed, my comment really was just a general snipe at agents, most of who are snakey characters.
Yeah, I don't think anyone will disagree with you on that!
Whether or not we want a younger player who might come in and be more involved over the course of a season, yes. Someone who can find a position for the big games and over time, properly settle at United and play the fast tempo football we play at our best along with fitting into our counterattacks.
I've got a sneaky feeling Berbatov's "replacement" might be someone to play in the hole like he did last season. But an attacking midfielder this time, with SAF having learnt from what he considered a mistake, playing Berbatov there last season. With Owen, Hernandez, Diouf, Macheda, King and Welbeck to fill in for Rooney when needed. Just a feeling though based on the fact he spent £31 million on a player to immediately play him there not just in the easier games but in the big games too. Alright he decided he wasnt the right player, but perhaps he feels he's now identified the right player and wants another go at it? Only time will tell.
So from the goal.com article and others, looks like Berbatov is wanted by Bayern, Milan and Inter.
Well correct me if I am wrong, but Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho, who are two of the most recognized managers ever, both being linked with United as Alex Ferguson's successors, want Berba in their teams...hmm
They must know nothing about football....
Well correct me if I am wrong, but Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho, who are two of the most recognized managers ever, both being linked with United as Alex Ferguson's successors, want Berba in their teams...hmm
They must know nothing about football....
I have no doubt that Bayern absolutely do not want Berbatov.
I hope I am wrong, but I can't believe I am - they have their own 30m **** - Gomez.
I hope I am wrong, but I can't believe I am - they have their own 30m **** - Gomez.
Anyone who just goes by what goal.com are saying, is the one who knows nothing about football. Alright if there are some valid quotes on there fair enough. But its 90% bullshit.
Still its entirely believable that Milan and Bayern could be in for Berbatov.
But Inter? Why? They have 2 better strikers already.
And the reason Milan and Bayern could want him in their sides is, they play completely differently to how we play. And they have less really good players. They can arrange them around Berbatov.
the word "f l o p" is asterixed out???
Good morning lads! So, what do you think about Dimitar?
I wanted to comment on him leaving United if an offer came in. In this case, I would trust his manager's words, and also the player has said it on numerous occasions, that he is happy to be at United. Meaning that unless SAF decided to do a deal for him, he is not looking to move.
United is a dream come true for Berba and it is the pinnacle of his career. If he could finish up his playing days at United, this would be the best thing for him personally.
I wanted to comment on him leaving United if an offer came in. In this case, I would trust his manager's words, and also the player has said it on numerous occasions, that he is happy to be at United. Meaning that unless SAF decided to do a deal for him, he is not looking to move.
United is a dream come true for Berba and it is the pinnacle of his career. If he could finish up his playing days at United, this would be the best thing for him personally.
I prefer his brother, Diugnal Berbatov
He any good? I have only heard about his bar and disco exploits, can hold his own with the best of them.
Diugnal? He'd be some peoples cup of tea, yeah, almost the complete opposite of Dimitar.
Perfect. If they were twins, we could just exchange His Languidness for the Twin Turbo one and no one would know the difference.
Berba is right and knows that he still hasn't hit the heights yet for us, but he will if we improve our central midfield. He is a class act, has disappointed?yes but a top class player nonetheless.
You mean those teams have a good midfield?Because all teams play exactly the same way and use the same types of players.
So we have a shite midfield, a crocked defense and our second choice striker is a flop. How have we managed this season?
Oh that's right we're a one man team.
Yes. But that matters little at a successful club like ours. We've never decided on the future of our players based on wages. We are not about to start now.
Nah. He meant reserve.
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