Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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Completely different scenario. Against Munich he was fine until he went over on his ankle in a specific incident, then spent the rest of the match hobbling. Nothing like that happened yesterday.

I wouldn't have said he was 'fine' against Munich, he still looked restricted even before he went over it again. We've clearly rushed him back to feature at a vital time of the season, ordinarily I think he's taking longer to recoup myself
 
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He did well when he came on today. He showed desire to change something. Nani and him had a positive effect on the game.

I would still take a point off his rating since the fecker isn't even quick enough to catch Scholes and give him a big man hug when he started celebrating his goal. This is the epitomy of languidness. Not being able to catch a 40 year old who just got hit on the head with a ball.

So, lads, what do you think of Dimitar?

:lol: Seriously though, he's not as slow as he looks.
 
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Berbatov is:

a) One of our calmest and most aware players with the ball under control.

b) Our best player to cushion the ball out of the sky, ready to hit.

c) A player already playing under so much pressure, that the end of season tension won't affect him any more negatively.

All the above attributes help teams to win tight games. Even if he doesn't start, the next 3 games may bring a time when he is needed. Many of us will be surprised at just how crucial his impact will be.

Come on Berba.

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The fact Rooney lasted as long as he did would seem to mean his ankle was ok.

Don't forget Rooney is capable of playing badly, without being hindered by injury, especially when he's on his own up top. Yesterday wasn't his first bad performance all season.

What you should say is he wasn't match fit. For we all know as long as he passed a fitness test, he'd be picked ahead of Berbatov. Without qualms.

He clearly wasn't match fit. You could see in the way he moved and they way that he even kicked the ball.
 
I think he'll score the winning goal on the last day of the season thus winning us the title. That'll confuse a few of us in here. Kinda like what happened with Reyes at Madrid.
 
As a matter of interest, regardless of your opinion on his skill, or what he does or doesn't bring to the team is there anyone that wouldn't take 20million if we were offered it for him in the summer?
 
As a matter of interest, regardless of your opinion on his skill, or what he does or doesn't bring to the team is there anyone that wouldn't take 20million if we were offered it for him in the summer?

Me.

Seeing as we're still waiting to see the 80m earned from the Ronaldo sale re-invested back into the club, why are people assuming that funds raised from selling Berbatov will immediately be re-invested in his replacement? If we really need another striker isn't the obvious decision to let Michael Owen leave and spend as much as we want on a world class young replacement?

Personally, I'd like to see a very talented and occasionally frustrating player get another season at the club if flogging him is going to result in nothing more than a slight reduction in the PIKS.
 
Me.

Seeing as we're still waiting to see the 80m earned from the Ronaldo sale re-invested back into the club, why are people assuming that funds raised from selling Berbatov will immediately be re-invested in his replacement? If we really need another striker isn't the obvious decision to let Michael Owen leave and spend as much as we want on a world class young replacement?

Personally, I'd like to see a very talented and occasionally frustrating player get another season at the club if flogging him is going to result in nothing more than a slight reduction in the PIKS.

Obviously the assumption would be one out one in but I'm not really focusing on who or what would be coming in, just where people stand on Berbatovs value to the team. Personally I think he's a great talent that for whatever reason doesn't quite fit the team. If we were offered 20mill for him I have to admit, I'd be in favour of selling him a this point, hopefully he proves me wrong.
 
Then you don't like Berbatov.

Why? Because I think we ought to cash in on him? I think he's a good player and he has moments of pure genuis. But he's not cut out to play for United. Maybe we're too big a club for him and the pressure to perform consistently has weighed him down.

I don't think he'll be with us next season but I hope he does well wherever he ends up.
 
I think he'll score the winning goal on the last day of the season thus winning us the title. That'll confuse a few of us in here. Kinda like what happened with Reyes at Madrid.

It confused everyone so much that he ended up at their rivals Atletico?
 
Obviously the assumption would be one out one in but I'm not really focusing on who or what would be coming in, just where people stand on Berbatovs value to the team. Personally I think he's a great talent that for whatever reason doesn't quite fit the team. If we were offered 20mill for him I have to admit, I'd be in favour of selling him a this point, hopefully he proves me wrong.

That's just it though. In our current economic circumstances I don't think we can judge a player's value to the team by the size of the transfer fee we could earn if he left (a concept which will probably makes our resident transfer muppets heads' explode). The best way to judge their value is whether or not they are an important member of our squad.

IMO Berbatov has done his bit in us coming fecking close to coping with the loss of two attacking players as good as Ronaldo and Tevez. Which is why I wouldn't be too hasty to get rid of him. A bird in the hand an' all that...
 
Me.

Seeing as we're still waiting to see the 80m earned from the Ronaldo sale re-invested back into the club, why are people assuming that funds raised from selling Berbatov will immediately be re-invested in his replacement? If we really need another striker isn't the obvious decision to let Michael Owen leave and spend as much as we want on a world class young replacement?

Personally, I'd like to see a very talented and occasionally frustrating player get another season at the club if flogging him is going to result in nothing more than a slight reduction in the PIKS.

Why? He's paid next to nothing and he scores a couple of goals off the bench, and he's seen as the same type of player as Rooney. So obviously the manager feels he's an alright stand in for him. Whats wrong with that picture?

Berbatov on the other hand is paid as one of our star players. Yet he's only first choice for easy matches. Cannot be relied upon to get a goal off the bench, cannot be relied upon in big matches to get on the scoresheet.

It makes the most sense to keep Owen and replace Berbatov. Not that Owen's situation is exactly perfect, but thats mainly to do with fitness. Plus the manager has already guaranteed he'll be here next season. If he does the same with Berbatov, that would be the time to really debate it.
 
Just a question for those wanting him to stay next season, do you think we should extend his contract then to avoid him being a free walk out? because once next season is over he'll be in Chamakh territory and can wait a year out and probably get a big signing on fee for a club like Milan or bayern the season after.
 
Why? He's paid next to nothing and he scores a couple of goals off the bench, and he's seen as the same type of player as Rooney. So obviously the manager feels he's an alright stand in for him. Whats wrong with that picture?

Berbatov on the other hand is paid as one of our star players. Yet he's only first choice for easy matches. Cannot be relied upon to get a goal off the bench, cannot be relied upon in big matches to get on the scoresheet.

It makes the most sense to keep Owen and replace Berbatov. Not that Owen's situation is exactly perfect, but thats mainly to do with fitness. Plus the manager has already guaranteed he'll be here next season. If he does the same with Berbatov, that would be the time to really debate it.

Well gee, there's an interesting and original point which hasn't been addressd a million frigging times in this thread already...
 
That's just it though. In our current economic circumstances I don't think we can judge a player's value to the team by the size of the transfer fee we could earn if he left (a concept which will probably makes our resident transfer muppets heads' explode). The best way to judge their value is whether or not they are an important member of our squad.

IMO Berbatov has done his bit in us coming fecking close to coping with the loss of two attacking players as good as Ronaldo and Tevez. Which is why I wouldn't be too hasty to get rid of him. A bird in the hand an' all that...

I just wonder how much better/worst off we would have been with other strikers avaiable in the summer of 2008 / we could have brought for 30 mil/ Tevez.
 
I just wonder how much better/worst off we would have been with other strikers avaiable in the summer of 2008 / we could have brought for 30 mil/ Tevez.

I've been wondering recently how things would have turned out if we'd signed Tevez permamently the moment he left West Ham. Maybe that would have stopped him being so insecure and stroppy?

You could also ask what might have happened if we'd followed up on our interest in Torres? (been frustrated by all his injuries is probably the answer to that one but still...)

There's loads of way of looking back and hoping we did things differently but we've got to deal with the situation we're in now. IMO selling yet another valuable member of the squad is not something any of us fans should be hoping for. Not after seeing what happened to the money earned from the last player we sold.
 
So you are happy with our current strike force?

I am.

I don't see the problem with Berbatov. Without having been brilliant, he's contributed well enough as a second choice to see us being without the shout of another title.

With Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck and Macheda, I think we have a good mix of strikers; quality, experience, young talent etc.
 
I am.

I don't see the problem with Berbatov. Without having been brilliant, he's contributed well enough as a second choice to see us being without the shout of another title.

With Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck and Macheda, I think we have a good mix of strikers; quality, experience, young talent etc.

Cicharinho (or whatever the feck he's called) and Diouf might have a part to play too (which would probably mean Welbeck or Macheda getting some more experience on loan).
 
I've been wondering recently how things would have turned out if we'd signed Tevez permamently the moment he left West Ham. Maybe that would have stopped him being so insecure and stroppy?

You could also ask what might have happened if we'd followed up on our interest in Torres? (been frustrated by all his injuries is probably the answer to that one but still...)

There's loads of way of looking back and hoping we did things differently but we've got to deal with the situation we're in now. IMO selling yet another valuable member of the squad is not something any of us fans should be hoping for. Not after seeing what happened to the money earned from the last player we sold.

I've read your previous post and i think you're spot on with suggesting that Barbatov money could be used to pay back the debt.

Agreed about Tevez remark, same thinking here.

I also agree that selling Berbatov just for sake of doing so, proving one's point, keeping fans happy (??????) would be daft. As things stand atm i'd keep him in the club but in my eyes hes nothing more than a next season's 3rd choice striker. I'd love to see a pacey striker at United and Bebratov with all his atributes is anything but a pacey striker.
 
I've been wondering recently how things would have turned out if we'd signed Tevez permamently the moment he left West Ham. Maybe that would have stopped him being so insecure and stroppy?

You could also ask what might have happened if we'd followed up on our interest in Torres? (been frustrated by all his injuries is probably the answer to that one but still...)

There's loads of way of looking back and hoping we did things differently but we've got to deal with the situation we're in now. IMO selling yet another valuable member of the squad is not something any of us fans should be hoping for. Not after seeing what happened to the money earned from the last player we sold.

I think if we had signed Tevez after his excellent first season with us then he may well have went on to perform as he is for City, but it's all guess work in truth, but your last point is a fair one, if we sell Berba and don't actually invest in an experienced striker it would be a risk, given our other options are either young or Michael Owen, it will depend I imagine on if Fergie believes the young player have what it takes to grab the chance to be Rooney's partner.
 
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