I know what you mean about yesterday, I never got the feeling we'd score either. That was mainly because I thought we had sod all going on up front
But we have had plenty of late winners this season, so I think you're wrong there
Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
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I know what you mean about yesterday, I never got the feeling we'd score either. That was mainly because I thought we had sod all going on up front
But we have had plenty of late winners this season, so I think you're wrong there
I'd really rather not discuss it with you anyway because you gave me a load of foul mouthed abuse for daring to criticise Veron when he was here. Basically for saying the bit highlighted above actually.
Did you send the same kind of message to Fergie when he sold him?
Aye they'd probably be his choice as well, but do they have the money?
They'd afford 15 million easily if we wanted to sell and they wanted him. Especially when they are likely to sell Pato to either REAL or Chelsea for big bucks.
Why always in capitals?
Force of habit. The world Real spelled in normal way doesn't quite suit the surreal mad men of Madrid
Yeah if they sell Pato then that would change things, I still hate the idea of him at Chelsea though.
Aren't there rumours going around that Benzema might go the other way in any deal for Pato? If that happens, you can count them out. I just can't see many suitors for Berbatov.
Benzema would never accept to go to league as inferior to la Liga as the Serie A. If Pato goes to Madrid it will simply be for straight cash. While Benzema would end up most likely in England.
There will be enough. Its not like he has been shit. Just check his goals and assists this season in the EPL while playing second fiddle to Rooney. Many clubs wouldn't mind him in their ranks. We are simply unfortunate that we can't get the best out of him yet and will have to sell him for half what we bought him if we decide to quit on him.
Word. I hope the mad men of Madrid get him instead.Yeah if they sell Pato then that would change things, I still hate the idea of him at Chelsea though.
Nice word, I'll remember that one!
The result was because we didn't create enough not because we didn't have enough legs, so your reasoning was well off. And pessimistic.
But yeah, I've had Chelsea as the favourites and us to finish second since the season's start. 4 in a row's just a bit greedy.
Is that so.....
Then what the hell was this?
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It may have not been you intention but you reply sure came across like it was all Berbatov's fault the team was so deep till late on.
Spare me your condescending air G.
I know why you are so focused on Berbatov. You've never liked him, have stated it publicly & that has feck all to do with this thread.
I suggest you stick to the issue at hand, namely his performance yesterday rather than simply airing more of your hate of him.
I suggest you look in the mirror first. I'm not the one who started tossing about insults.
Jesus, you are fecking daft. Nothing in there comes remotely close to me laying the blame for the loss on Berbatov.
Get a grip. At this point you're embarrassing yourself.
Yet again. It's something he's been doing since 2002.
What IronyYou're the one who is ''fecking daft''. For starter you can't even read!
I never said you laid the blame on Berbatov for the loss. Think again dumbo. I clearly said you were blaming him for the whole team playing deep for most of the game.
Read it again:
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I hope it registers this time.
You first. You never know when to get your head out your arse long enough to realise plenty of shit is coming out your mouth. I really don't have time to deal with another Dans like fool. If you don't have sense to speak other than launching childish abuse don't bother replying to my posts. For I really don't give a flying feck what you think about a single thing. I was just humoring you to reply to your rubbish.
It's an interesting way of looking at things but I don't quite think the observation's all that accurate - I don't think we were too deep at all.
Giggs certainly wasn't, and Scholes seemed no deeper than normal.
I thought the back four was deeper than usual but that only made the gap between them and the midfield bigger more than anything, presumably because they didn't really have any midfield runners so it wasn't much of a worry. Dunn changed that.
I've never been great at observing those types of things though so maybe you're right, I dunno.
I just didn't think legs seemed like a problem. We certainly weren't overrun in midfield like you first thought.
I think SAF knew that he couldn't hold on to Ronaldo so brought Berbatov in a year earlier to settle in and then become the outlet to spark the attack. He is obviously a far different player to Ronaldo (a little less dynamic, some might say
), but his link play and creativity would give us a different edge, more unpredictability and hopefully bring out the best in Rooney. Unfortunately it looks like it has not quite worked out as expected.
Why can't he be both? A Trier with Vision.
Players like Xavi, Rooney etc all try hard for the team and when they have the ball at their feet they make things happen
Why on earth can't Berbatov be like that? "because he's nonchalant" "its his style of play"
well take your nonchalant style of play and feck off.
Players like Xavi, Rooney etc all try hard for the team and when they have the ball at their feet they make things happen
Why on earth can't Berbatov be like that? "because he's nonchalant" "its his style of play"
well take your nonchalant style of play and feck off.
Zidane wasn't much of a 'trier'.
I'd have hated having him in the team too.
I'd have hated having him in the team too.
Nonsense, the man made sure he was always involved, constantly taking up new positions, releasing the ball, receiving it, the man ran himself into the ground in games because he always wanted to be available. Berbatov doesn't do 40% as much in matches.
Don't compare.
Of course he was.
Its like you never even seen Zidane play.
He had tenacity, played box to box and produced something the majority of times he got the ball.
Zidane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berbatov.
He's in a whole other echelon.
It was meant to take the piss out of the idea that no matter who you are you need to be a trier.
Well you failed.
I think SAF knew that he couldn't hold on to Ronaldo so brought Berbatov in a year earlier to settle in and then become the outlet to spark the attack. He is obviously a far different player to Ronaldo (a little less dynamic, some might say
Unfortunately it looks like it has not quite worked out as expected.
That hasn't worked out at all has it....
He moved around a lot to get on the ball but he wasn't a trier.
I wasn't expecting you to listen you're stuck in your 'I don't care what anyone says, I want rid of that lazy annoying prick and that's that' mindset.
Well, I'd listen if you weren't such an arrogant arse all the time.
And furthermore, I'd listen if your comments actually made sense and corresponded to what you actually meant.
Makes no bleeding sense, if you've run yourself into the ground all game to dictate a match instead of being static admiring your own balls, how have you not tried
I'm not arrogant I'm just misunderstood.
I'm Berbatov.
I'm Berbatov.
It's about being in the right places not running around more.
Zidane was no more of a runner than Berbatov he just picked better moments to do so. And was found more often because he's more influential.
Zidane was better with his head.
Anyone classing Zidane as a trier needs to be laughed at by a whole stadium of folks.
Zizou wasn't nick named the professor for nada. He made things look so easy. For his play was effortless. Minimum energy, maximum efficiency. & that assessment is from some one who wasn't his fan. Folks like Berbatov and to some extent Zlatan who are so much worse at doing that end up looking very lazy indeed.
Zizou wasn't nick named the professor for nada. He made things look so easy. For his play was effortless. Minimum energy, maximum efficiency. & that assessment is from some one who wasn't his fan. Folks like Berbatov and to some extent Zlatan who are so much worse at doing that end up looking very lazy indeed.
A load of nonsense, a lad could make an 8 minuite compliation of all the moves, passes Zidane does in one match alone, you would be lucky to get 2 mins out of Berba.
I actually like Berbatov as a player and think he has been pretty effective for us this season, but when the fans start turning on a player you think it might be time for him to move unfortunately.
You are normally far more involved in the play as a midfielder.
It depends, you could get that sort of compliation out of Rooney,Ronaldo and Messi, they obviously 'try' harder.
Could you really? To be honest it's not something you can really argue convincingly with any real credibility, it's totally subjective and I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of games where Zidane was peripheral (as have been the other 3 you mention).
For ffs are you thick? Anyone can pick out a select game where one player was particularly tried hard - think back to the Wolfsburg at home where Berbatov turned it round when he replaced Owen.
He tries, the stats of distance covered show that. He may not charge around the pitch at the speed of a Tevez etc but he does generally work pretty hard (and made a noticeable effort to close down this season) and looks to be available for the ball at most times. You can criticise his demeanour and attitude if you want, but there is no doubt that he tries.
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