I think so, to an extent. A lot of Rooney's profit this season has come about because he's got so good at finding space in the box, and timing it right. He's still not the best ever header of the ball, but he'll get into positions where he'll get himself a free crack at it, and that's true for goals of his other than headers too, he's profited massively from the fact that our wings are good enough to cause most teams trouble. It does somewhat hide the fact though that we aren't as strong attacking through the middle at the moment though, and that's never more apparent than when Berbatov plays because that's where he's at his most useful.
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I think so, to an extent. A lot of Rooney's profit this season has come about because he's got so good at finding space in the box, and timing it right. He's still not the best ever header of the ball, but he'll get into positions where he'll get himself a free crack at it, and that's true for goals of his other than headers too, he's profited massively from the fact that our wings are good enough to cause most teams trouble. It does somewhat hide the fact though that we aren't as strong attacking through the middle at the moment though, and that's never more apparent than when Berbatov plays because that's where he's at his most useful.
It's also more apparent if the wingers aren't on their best form too. I sometimes wonder if that's part of the reason he puts Gibson on. Apart from his thunderous shots at goal he likes to go through the middle.
I think that's exactly why Gibson's getting more gametime. Just simply having a guy in those kinds of positions who provides a real threat, as well as giving us another goalscoring option, also gives the opposition defence a lot more work to do.
& did feck all with it. That is struggling for a team of our standards. We have no business looking that clueless in the final third. Yet that has been the case the majority of the last 3 games.
What are you on about? It hardly happened till very late on. The entire team was playing too deep. Berbatov was just as deep as everyone else because he has tendency to drop deep to avoid isolation. & it's obvious to anyone that he was playing far deeper after Macheda left the pitch than before it.
It's also obvious to most that as a team we played too deep all game. But trust you to paint it as Berbatov's fault alone.
Indeed. It was a harsh assemsent. But with some real truth in it.
An element of truth in there.
Your dumb ass routine is getting lame. Find something better to do than pestering me with your bullshit replies. For you only keep embarrassing your self further.
somebody else said that he decorates the odd game and hardly dominates them
Correct.
has to be heinz
Absolutely astonished to read the updates in here today and some folk think he had a good game... I can't even begin to understand what the feck you were watching
Not only is his performance not up to scratch, and he look out of place. But that cardinal sin... he just doesn't give a feck. It's LAZY. Not to mention that his attitude stinks. How does he have the front to constantly bitch at everyone else and throw his little strops when he's putting that little effort in?
If we did feck him off in the summer, I really wouldn't give a rats arse, in fact I think I'd be quite pleased. No question that the away support has turned on him, and you can understand. I don't mind if we lose week in week out, as long as our players show pride in the shirt, and put their best shift in. He doesn't do that, simple as
Not only is his performance not up to scratch, and he look out of place. But that cardinal sin... he just doesn't give a feck. It's LAZY. Not to mention that his attitude stinks. How does he have the front to constantly bitch at everyone else and throw his little strops when he's putting that little effort in?
If we did feck him off in the summer, I really wouldn't give a rats arse, in fact I think I'd be quite pleased. No question that the away support has turned on him, and you can understand. I don't mind if we lose week in week out, as long as our players show pride in the shirt, and put their best shift in. He doesn't do that, simple as
But the point is Chief that we had that much control of the game and essentially did not need another midfielder. We needed players in the box.
1) We dominated the majority of the match
2) There is no point in pressing the play forward if nobody is in the damn box!!
I can't see United letting him go for free.
Berbatov just doesn't have any use in the squad
Good post. Sums up my feelings of the man tonight, and for most of this season.
Yeah but, Planet blows up because of the firepower of 3 hataks ? A dozen hataks couldn't even dent an ori ship and our 304 destroyed the same ori ship with 2-3 shots with our uber asgard beams.
FFS, its a new excuse after every match with Berbatov.
When will you just admit that Berbatov just wasnt that good? I mean sure, the hataks could have done a better job supporting him, but why should they be the only ones blamed for a lack of firepower? Berbatov is our lone striker, he should be the one with the firepower to destroy an ori ship.
Well, we dominated possession, but it wasn't always in the right areas of the pitch. In fact, for a team who had 66% of the possession the amount of pressure we put on the opposition rearguard was remarkably low. How do we get so much possession without actually causing Blackburn trouble very often? By staying deep!
Of course there is, pressing play forward leads to players ending up in and around the box! It's the natural progression of things!
Valencia, Nani, Scholes, Giggs and especially Berbatov had the ball outside the box so often with nobody in the box to pass it to or cross it to. It was particularly evident when Valencia and Nani got the ball. Nobody was in the damn box.
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Of course there is, pressing play forward leads to players ending up in and around the box! It's the natural progression of things![/QUOTE]
Well why weren't there players in the box so, since we had so much possession in their final third? If the name of the game was to hold onto the ball just outside the opposition's box whilst not actually doing anything, we'd win everything.
That's my point, though, Giggs and Scholes weren't coming up around the box as much as we needed. Unless they were told to stay deep, and we were hoping to win by just getting a smash and grab goal, which was never really likely to happen given that Blackburn had no interest in going forward themselves.
If you watch Valencia's first chance on the highlights, you can see the gulf between the attackers and Giggs and Scholes are when the camera pans back afterwards. For Valencia's better chance Scholes was ambling up behind the play alright because we'd caught them off guard a bit, but in general the front four were just left amongst themselves to bully a goal out of blackburn. Of course someone had to come deep to try and build up the play! And being the only one to really make anything happen, I think his dropping deep was vindicated.
if only!But that's also my point, we couldn't hold onto the ball around the blackburn area for extended periods, because of lack of support in the attack. This only changed towards the end because we desperately needed a goal and we'd brought Gibson and Park on, but for the first 45-60 mins our midfield played very deep given our dominance.
If Valencia had of sinked that sitter yesterday, I dont' think anyone would have been blaming Berbs... But yes, I really didn't like his attitude and sometimes you can feel that he isn't happy with the way he is performing, Mr. Perfection wouldn't even smile if he had scored a hatrick because he knows it himself that the 32m price tag that is slapped on his face is a big price and he is not performing. Veron Mark II...
What bothers me most are his hissy fits on the pitch, you are only allowed to do that if you are a legend of the club or Rooney, because you have earned the right through you performances to demand that much more from your teammates. It pissed me off to no end.... and lying down on the pitch for what, 3 minutes for getting slapped in the face??? Seriously man... grow a pair
Embarrassing turn of events in this thread, to anyone looking at the thread it could look like we have lost the plot (after today's game) and turned on our own...
If you look carefully though it's only a few posters acting like spoilt children and repeating themselves ad-infinitum giving that false impression. That's something anyway...
I really felt sorry for Berbatov, he's trying but it's not working out, he's also still playin on an injury. I hate it when you lot target players.... just get behind the fcukin team and trust the management to sort on field stuff out!
If you look carefully though it's only a few posters acting like spoilt children and repeating themselves ad-infinitum giving that false impression. That's something anyway...
I really felt sorry for Berbatov, he's trying but it's not working out, he's also still playin on an injury. I hate it when you lot target players.... just get behind the fcukin team and trust the management to sort on field stuff out!
first time i will say this, i have always defended him, but he has had 2 seasons to prove himself now, and he just doesnt fit. He is a luxury and is taking up the space in the squad for another high quality striker. He looks out of his depth and the stage has got to him. He obviously has a weak personality, goes missing when we need a fighter, or a bit of magic, and as someone said before he is a bit wet. Sorry berbatov but i hope you make way this summer.
I might add, i think he would be a decent squad player, who sits on the bench and comes in when others are injured, or plays upfront against the weaker teams, but i dont think he would be happy with this. But we didnt break our transfer budget for a player to do this, so i say we cut our losses.
The strange thing is he has all the ability, he just doesnt have the mental state to achieve the heights we need. Berbatov the enigma
I might add, i think he would be a decent squad player, who sits on the bench and comes in when others are injured, or plays upfront against the weaker teams, but i dont think he would be happy with this. But we didnt break our transfer budget for a player to do this, so i say we cut our losses.
The strange thing is he has all the ability, he just doesnt have the mental state to achieve the heights we need. Berbatov the enigma
Well yes, his attitude was piss poor. Simply unacceptable.
The thing for me with Berbatov is...
1. He's a quality player. He has bags of ability, potential match-winner with passes or strikes, and so on.
2. But, HE'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. I don't know what it is, but for some reason his style of play just doens't suit the way United plays. For that reason, it's time to move him on and bring in someone else who does fit better.
A similar thing happened with Veron - quality player, oozed class, but just didn't quite fit our system and Fergie sold him on. Hopefully SAF has the good sense to do the same here.
1. He's a quality player. He has bags of ability, potential match-winner with passes or strikes, and so on.
2. But, HE'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. I don't know what it is, but for some reason his style of play just doens't suit the way United plays. For that reason, it's time to move him on and bring in someone else who does fit better.
A similar thing happened with Veron - quality player, oozed class, but just didn't quite fit our system and Fergie sold him on. Hopefully SAF has the good sense to do the same here.
I reckon Berbatov could do a role as an attacking central midfielder.
He could play the trequartista role for us. I know it's not common but it's worth experimenting. Two midfielders (preferably Fletcher and Hargo/Anderson purely for the aggression) sitting back with Berba ahead of them. Rooney up top with Nani and Valencia cutting inside to contribute goals, allowing Rafael and Evra to overlap
You do realise that even an attacking midfielder is expected to push into the box to provide some goalscoring options?
Yes but the impetus won't be on him to constantly be in the box. How often does Riquelme bust a gut to get into the box? Regardless, Berbatov does get in the box when he gets on the end of short passing exchanges.
We haven't tried Berba on that position yet, eventhough he does drop from his so called frontman role. If he could play well on that part why bother wasting him upfront?
a midfield of Berba playing just infront of a midfield of "Nani---Carrick---Fletcher---Valencia", could be a very interesting thing. He could play in the second striker role, which is his preferred natural position.
a midfield of Berba playing just infront of a midfield of "Nani---Carrick---Fletcher---Valencia", could be a very interesting thing. He could play in the second striker role, which is his preferred natural position.
One look at Barca's midfield's scoring stats would expose that statement for the myth it is. The biggest job of an attacking midfielder is to create play and goals for others. Rather than provide goal threat.
For the record I wouldn't recommend Berba in midfield. He simply doesn't have the mentality of one.
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