Berbatov has been class since the turn of the year. He is unlucky that we play one striker so often. But his link up play is superb. Still think he needs to be finishing his chances much better.
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I don't agree with that in this game, he was playing in behind Berbatov a lot of the time and he wasn't great in the hole.
Telegraph says Evra had 68 total and 58 successful passes. But that is not important. He was good, but no way was he better than a few others
While we are at it:
Berba -Attempts created 5
Rooney- Attempts created 2
Berba- Scoring attempts 7
Rooney- Scoring attempts 13
Berba -On target attempts 1
Rooney- On target attempts 5
Berba- Goals 1
Rooney- Goals 2
They are different type of players and it is obvious that they benefit in different ways to the game. Berba creates, Rooney scores.
Total for the scoring attempts on and off target is: Rooney 18, Berba 8!!! So it is a myth, that Berba misses chances. His ratio is somewhat better. Not so bad after all
You're telling me Rooney played in the hole and attempted 15 passes?
You dont have to have a striker in the hole. You can have 2 strikers up front with one coming short.
I knocked one out when I saw him control that ball out of the air after the FT whistle vs AC Milan.
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Evra's 63 successful and 11 unsuccessful
Well I was a tad harsh probably, but in a game like this where it's so important to go 1-0 up you just have to put away chances like that.
I wasnt saying he had a bad game, in front of goal he should have done better though.
As I said I'm happy that he scored that will od his confidence good after the chances he missed he looked a bit dissapointed with himself.
Overall it was a good game from him but MoM? Not for me
Looked like he was playing in Berbatov's position more often than the other way around.
Just Berbatov did it better in the limited time he was there.
Thought he was great today, should have taken his chances more but still an inspiring performance. Linked up play well, got himself some chances, made a goal for Rooney which was a great piece of play. Deservedly got himself a goal in the end.
Will he better his tally of 14 last season?
He's currently on 10.
Will he better his tally of 14 last season?
He's currently on 10.
It was nice to hear the crowd chanting his name today, i thought i heard it on wednesday to but definetly heard it today, its great to hear because that will undoutedly be a massive boost to the bloke and signs maybe finally the majority are warming to him and accepted him, frankly his performances over the last couple of months deserve it, hes been consistently very good since the turn of the year.
The score was 3-0
Take away his two goals : 1-0
Take away the pass which created the goal from virtually nothing: 0-0
In conclusion: A lead the line strikers job is to score goals which he did, 2 in fact. In terms of wastefullnes he was no worse than berbatov.
You could use the same logic for berbatov, in which case you could say he had a hand in 2 out of the 3 goals as well. Fair enough, maybe much better is harsh, but he was definitely better.
In his post match interview, he said he prefers assisting goals rather than scoring.
What pass was that? The cross-field ball to Park? Hell of a pass but it didn't create a goal. It took a peach of a cross from Park to create the goal.
Three quality assists today, for which each "assister" deserves full credit.
I disagree, that pass found park in acres of space, if he didnt have the vision and the skill to find park in that much space it would have been much harder for park to be as accurate with his cross. No doubt the cross from park was fantastic but rooneys vision in finding that pass from midfield did a fair bit towards contirbuting towards that goal.
It did a fair but but it didn't "create the goal, from virtually nothing"
We'l have to agree to disagree. Park had enough time to receive it, stop it, and then line it up and cross it before any Fulham players even got near him. If rooney hadn't managed to pick out the cross so early then I doubt park would have had the luxury of placing it as accurately as he did.
All conjecture of course but that is my opinion.
What about the ball Rooney played Berba through with who was too slow to make something happen
And NO, I refuse to take away Rooney's goals, he was great as usual.
I don't need your logic to tell me who was better in the game. Berbatov makes a habit of being wasteful but he nearly always is involved in the goals. Whether a direct assist or key pass in the build up. Such was the case today where he created a lot.
Let me ask you - had Berbatov got another goal (which he should have), would you say he was better than Rooney?
What about the ball Rooney played Berba through with who was too slow to make something happen
And NO, I refuse to take away Rooney's goals, he was great as usual.
Not saying Rooney didn't play good passes, Berbatov played more though.
Your opinion, wouldn't say he was 'great' myself. Deadly/efficient/clinical - yes.
This is one of the very few times when both strikers played well. It gives me renewed hope that they can play together.
And was it my imagination, or does Berbatov have a bit more pace than we give him credit for? That run to burst through 2 defenders to set up the goal was actually quite impressive.
And was it my imagination, or does Berbatov have a bit more pace than we give him credit for? That run to burst through 2 defenders to set up the goal was actually quite impressive.
That's ludicrous
No, Rooney had far more energy and was creating space and generally causing havoc. His movement and vision were fantastic. Berbatov was good, not better than rooney
No, Rooney had far more energy and was creating space and generally causing havoc. His movement and vision were fantastic. Berbatov was good, not better than rooney
Berbatov was more involved than Rooney. How is that funny? Check the stats
Im laughing at the video. Besides I watched the game I dont need stats
In that case - Berbatov was the one that won the header down to Rooney who then laid it on to Nani. Like I said earlier, many bash him for not winning enough balls in the air but, he did it several times today, most importantly leading to the all important first goal.
What's funny is when people say a player's performance was average, once you ignore certain contributions...especially when those contributions are exactly what you'd expect from a player in that position.
Agreed.
They say that because a performance takes place over 90 minutes, scoring a goal takes seconds. It's always been possible for strikers to have an average overall performance only to pop up with a goal or two, despite not playing very well. In fact, that's usually taken as the sign of a truly great goal-scorer (which is what Rooney is becoming)
Personally, I think "average" is harsh. I thought Rooney put in a very good performance, especially in the first half. Berbatov was slightly better IMO. He was a bit more involved and slightly more creative in the final third. I haven't done ratings but Rooney would get a 7.5, Berbatov an 8. Both of them were definitely better than average.
Been most impressed with Berbatov in your recent games - he is definitely improved now! Seems to get involved far more - I hope for your sake he starts forming a deadly partnership with Rooney. The signs are promising...
Thought Berbatov was a constant threat but Rooney looked like the only one on the pitch with a bit of spark.
Granted, not a lot of it came off for Rooney but when it did it created some excellent pieces of play.
Granted, not a lot of it came off for Rooney but when it did it created some excellent pieces of play.
Can't agree Rooney was the only player "with a bit of spark"
Rooney was Rooney - he's a one man wrecking machine these days - but Berbatov was the one pulling the strings in our most effective periods of play.
EDIT: Should clarify, Rooney did a lot of string pulling himself but I think Berbatov was probably slightly more penetrative overall.
Rooney was Rooney - he's a one man wrecking machine these days - but Berbatov was the one pulling the strings in our most effective periods of play.
EDIT: Should clarify, Rooney did a lot of string pulling himself but I think Berbatov was probably slightly more penetrative overall.
Again not giving credits to the hardworking players (remember Fletcher ?).Rooney's pass was perfect but what if Park decided not to cross it, I mean Park's contribution to the 3rd goal is more important than Rooney's even if Wayne played a role in it.
I know that on the Caf we're trying not to overestimate assists (yeah it's been a trend these last few months) but sometimes the debate reaches ridiculous levels
Great play by Berbatov, although I thought he was good against Wolves, but didn't really suit the role of lone striker. Against Fulham he had Rooney ahead of him, and it really worked well. It would have been embarrassing to him that the team won scored 6 goals against Milan, and he didn't contribute to any of them. Park obviously impressed, and Berbatov had to show us his worth. That he did. His talent was never doubted, and not only did he play well, he actually chased defenders (I have noticed this a lot more this season)
Well done Berbatov, definately my MOTM.
Well done Berbatov, definately my MOTM.
Rooney's pass was more than pefect.Only Scholes can match that vision and abvility to weight it so well.
Your talking complete bollocks if you are suggesting that Park's contribution was more important. Even Park would say you're talking bollocks.
Didn't see the game - nice to see that he finally put in a decent performance. Against the mighty Fulham.
Well if you didn't see it then why the sarcasm?
I'm afraid you're talking bollox if you think a crossfield pass to pick out a winger is a more important contribution to a goal than the cross that results.
It was a fantastic pass, similar to Scholes at his best but it's not as though he set Park through on goal, where all he had to do was roll a simple assist across the box. Park received the ball on the touchline with a defender between him and the goal. The quality of Rooney's pass earned him a second or two but he still had to get the ball under control and pick out someone with a cross.
Rooney's pass may have been the most technically difficult moment in the whole move but Park's cross was clearly the most important (right behind Berbatov's finish)
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