Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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10 league goals now I think. If he ends up with 13-14 goals it would be a ok record considering he isn't involved in all matches.
 
I'd say i'm one of Berbatov harshest critics, but he had a really good game today. Still needs to work on getting shots on target more often, but his workrate has improved. Good to see him doing his stuff higher up the pitch too, about time he started to really press on.
 
Why?

Everything went through Nani today...In the first half almost all of our chances were created by him and he then set up the crucial first... and for about 70 minutes (until Berba started to be noticeably good) everything went through Nani and Evra on the left.

Berba did relatively little of effect for those 70 minutes. Yes he held it up and passed it well, but so did Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia, hell even Vidic. His main function was to create or score, and twice he turned away from goal when put clean through and missed 2 very good headed chances. Nani was a far more prolific creator in that time too. I don't want to be harsh on him Brad cos he was good, but Nani was our driving force for most of the match and Berba a peripheral figue who didn't do much of note, or that wasn't standarrdly expected of him anyway until the last 20 minutes

But no, he was superb and outstanding, cos he always is when he's normally good cos that levels out the spastic overreacting when he's not that effectual ....course he was. Go ahead mate.

I'm sure I'll get the "you just don't get football" argument in a a minute. All of the none creative things he did were standard things everyone else did, but it's exaggerated for him, just like everything good or bad is.

You been drinking?
 
Disagree. Rooney scored two goals aye, but I don't think he played better than Berbatov. If anything Berbatov was involved in more of our play than Rooney, Rooney has just mastered that nack of being in the right place at the right time.

Thought Berbatov was good today, really picked it up in the second half. I also think it's fair to say we didn't really step it up until the second half, so it's unsurprising that that too was when Berbatov came to life. But he was dropping deep and getting into Fulham's box, as well as being involved in a lot of our build up play.

Anyway, Evra was our best player today.

Well considering he was supposed to be playing behind Rooney, I'm not surprised he was involved in more play. I don't want it to look like I'm having a Berba bash, he was good...but some people have a very odd idea of what "outstanding" and "superb" is. He was exactly what you'd expect him to be for the vast majority of the game, minus any actual threat, then very very good for 20 minutes. Meh, I'm gonna stay out of this thread now cos it's unfair of me to be playing down a good game for the lad and the more I argue the further into the picking out his flaws I'll get

Edit: Good argument Brad
 
Well considering he was supposed to be playing behind Rooney, I'm not surprised he was involved in more play. I don't want it to look like I'm having a Berba bash, he was good...but some people have a very odd idea of what "outstanding" and "superb" is. He was exactly what you'd expect him to be for the vast majority of the game, minus any actual threat, then very very good for 20 minutes. Meh, I'm gonna stay out of this thread now cos it's unfair of me to be playing down a good game for the lad and the more I argue the further into the picking out his flaws I'll get

Edit: Good argument Brad

He was good all game and the majority of any attacking threat came from him or Nani. The 'no threat' comment is pretty silly.

Rooney was a bit off colour and only really started to look good in the last 20 mins, his goals masked a pretty average performance.
 
He was good all game and the majority of any attacking threat came from him or Nani. The 'no threat' comment is pretty silly.

Rooney was a bit off colour and only really started to look good in the last 20 mins, his goals masked a pretty average performance.

I thought the same against Milan too. Not bashing him because what he might not have done with all-around performance he made up for with end product. Which is all that matters at the end of the day.
 
Edit: Good argument Brad

Thank you

I'm one of Berbatov's harshest critics, but you have to recognize when he has a very good game. Again it's come against a relatively poor side at OT, which I think is still a concern, but you say he posed no threat? Did relatively little of effect? That's just nonsense Mockers

Nani was quite frustrating for me, I certainly don't think that was a performance to hold up and look down on players like Berbatov for
 
I thought Pele was sensational as usual, running the opposition, taking shots from distance, even won the ball in his own half that started an incredible move, and his movement in the box is something Ruud would be proud of.
 
Disagree. Rooney scored two goals aye, but I don't think he played better than Berbatov. If anything Berbatov was involved in more of our play than Rooney, Rooney has just mastered that nack of being in the right place at the right time.

Thought Berbatov was good today, really picked it up in the second half. I also think it's fair to say we didn't really step it up until the second half, so it's unsurprising that that too was when Berbatov came to life. But he was dropping deep and getting into Fulham's box, as well as being involved in a lot of our build up play.

Anyway, Evra was our best player today.

Agreed.

Not sure about Evra being our best player, mind.

Either Nani and Berbatov IMO. Probably Nani.
 
I thought the same against Milan too. Not bashing him because what he might not have done with all-around performance he made up for with end product. Which is all that matters at the end of the day.

Had you guys fallen asleep during the host of cross field passes he played?

His all round game was marvellous. He seemed really fired up too.
 
I thought Pele was sensational as usual, running the opposition, taking shots from distance, even won the ball in his own half that started an incredible move, and his movement in the box is something Ruud would be proud of.

Agreed.

I thought the same against Milan too. Not bashing him because what he might not have done with all-around performance he made up for with end product. Which is all that matters at the end of the day.

He's leading the line, his movement off the ball and taking chances inside the box are what matter for a player in his role. End product as you say, is king as long as his general play is alright.

As for Berbatov - good except for final third play until the last 20 minutes. SWP run to set up Rooney and a late goal masked his performance. And honestly calling it assist of the season :lol: Seriously, SWP does the exact same thing every couple of games. It would be just about every game but he probably gets the final ball into a player right less often than you'd want.
 
Had you guys fallen asleep during the host of cross field passes he played?

His all round game was marvellous. He seemed really fired up too.

Apparently they missed the double one two with Fletcher, the header that brought the ball down for Rooney before the first goal and the ball from deep that put Nani in acres of space too.
 
Thank you

I'm one of Berbatov's harshest critics, but you have to recognize when he has a very good game. Again it's come against a relatively poor side at OT, which I think is still a concern, but you say he posed no threat? Did relatively little of effect? That's just nonsense Mockers

Nani was quite frustrating for me, I certainly don't think that was a performance to hold up and look down on players like Berbatov for

I agree with both Mockers and Brad.

There is simply no hope for me :p
 
Here is one to piss of the bashers.

When Berbatov was asked about being relieved to score today, he asks the reporter why do you always ask me that? Reporter said well strikers like to score goals and Berbatov said he likes to assist more, that assist for Rooney he liked more than the goal he scored.

Come on now get withe expletives and go on that it was 30 mil for a striker to score goals, not get assists.

He did go on about in the end he really doesn't care who scores as long as team wins.

Oh and he had a very cool cap on ... with a skull and all.
 
10 league goals now I think. If he ends up with 13-14 goals it would be a ok record considering he isn't involved in all matches.

Yep, what people don't remember is that Rooney only got 12 league goals last season, but Berbatov's getting twice as much criticism for goals even though he's on target for the same amount.
 
Agreed.



He's leading the line, his movement off the ball and taking chances inside the box are what matter for a player in his role. End product as you say, is king as long as his general play is alright.

As for Berbatov - good except for final third play until the last 20 minutes. SWP run to set up Rooney and a late goal masked his performance. And honestly calling it assist of the season :lol: Seriously, SWP does the exact same thing every couple of games. It would be just about every game but he probably gets the final ball into a player right less often than you'd want.

SWP could never, ever pull off the first touch there.
 
SWP could never, ever pull off the first touch there.

I've seen him have plenty of very good first touches. But obviously the ratio is about 3 to 1 in favour of wonky touches. Still I mainly meant the tricky knock to get free of a defender. SWP tries it again and again in every match and more often than not he gets free through it at least 2 or 3 times a match. His delivery is usually very average after that though, or he has a wild shot in the general direction of the goal.
 
Disagree. Rooney scored two goals aye, but I don't think he played better than Berbatov. If anything Berbatov was involved in more of our play than Rooney, Rooney has just mastered that nack of being in the right place at the right time.

Thought Berbatov was good today, really picked it up in the second half. I also think it's fair to say we didn't really step it up until the second half, so it's unsurprising that that too was when Berbatov came to life. But he was dropping deep and getting into Fulham's box, as well as being involved in a lot of our build up play.

Anyway, Evra was our best player today.

I'm with Smashed in this one. Rooney was in the right place at the right time, and took his chances, as he has been doing lately.

Yep, what people don't remember is that Rooney only got 12 league goals last season, but Berbatov's getting twice as much criticism for goals even though he's on target for the same amount.

And yet we had the typicall "Rooney is not good enough" threads. Gotta love this place sometimes.
 
Bit (whatever the opposite of harsh is)...

He was very good in the last 20 minutes...But having a look in the MOTM thread people are putting him ahead of Rooney & Nani who were excellent and involved in everything all day...Which is ridiculous (but I'm not allowed to comment in there or I'll get my bum cut off or something)

I like Berba, but the whole "Lets over exaggerate everything to feck off the naysayers" is just as annoying as the "he's clearly" shit brigade

Very good post indeed.
He was very very wasteful and started to frustrate the feck out of me.
Great last 20 minutes though and I'm happy for him that he was able to score at last.
 
I'm also think Berbatov was our best player today. His touch and vision is just jaw dropping. He also put in a shift today.
 
Thought Berba was good today. He got stuck in plenty of times. Often he and Rooney ran into the same space but that isn't much of a criticism.
 
In a lazy way?

Hell yeah, he was doing that whole single step to cut out a passing option thing, that control it perfectly so you don't have to chase it thing and that walk past players with the ball so they feel humiliated, foul you and you get to sit down thing. He also turned his shirt into a tent so he could take a power nap at one point.
 
Was great today, just looked really up for it and worked really hard. Thought the whole team pressed well I think it that was from Berbatov's example. Needs to work on those headers from six yards though, he's missed a few this year just like the one today.
 
Hell yeah, he was doing that whole single step to cut out a passing option thing, that control it perfectly so you don't have to chase it thing and that walk past players with the ball so they feel humiliated, foul you and you get to sit down thing.

I knew it, the lazy twat!
 
the build up and assist for rooney's 2nd was exquisite..

the only thing that let him down today was his finishing- hopefully it will improve once he builds more confidence..
 
SAF on MUTV



"The work by Berbatov was fantastic football and he just laid it on a plate for Wayne who took it well," Ferguson told MUTV. "He (Berbatov) is intelligent, he has good composure on the ball and he adds to the team all the time.

"The making of the second goal was absolutely superb. It was very important (for him to score later), because he had a few opportunities, but he took one."
 
Was great today, just looked really up for it and worked really hard. Thought the whole team pressed well I think it that was from Berbatov's example. Needs to work on those headers from six yards though, he's missed a few this year just like the one today.

I know it's a very tough tactic to apply in every match because it's physically demanding but I love it when the entire press the opposition to get the ball.
 
He was immense today. Its fair to say he plays his own game. Sometimes it frustrates a hell of a lot of people whilst at other times he can work his beautiful football to perfection and it shows on the pitch.

His assist today was immense
 
Bit (whatever the opposite of harsh is)...

He was very good in the last 20 minutes...But having a look in the MOTM thread people are putting him ahead of Rooney & Nani who were excellent and involved in everything all day...Which is ridiculous (but I'm not allowed to comment in there or I'll get my bum cut off or something)

I like Berba, but the whole "Lets over exaggerate everything to feck off the naysayers" is just as annoying as the "he's clearly" shit brigade

Agreed, he was good but definitely not MOTM Rooney was much better, 2 goals and that pass to park for the third... speechless.
 
Very good post indeed.
He was very very wasteful and started to frustrate the feck out of me.
Great last 20 minutes though and I'm happy for him that he was able to score at last.

sorry, but that's a load of shite.

His header in the first half he should of stuck away granted.

His second from Park fizzing it in was about as difficult a header you could imagine and even then he laid on our second goal, penetrated Fulham's defence with a ball Fletcher should of stuck away (alas he passed it to Wayne who missed an easier chance than berba's header strange that there is no mention of that in this thread) and he got a goal of his own.

6 in his last 8 starts is it ? We as fans have been begging for consistency in his game, we finally seem to be getting it and people still aren't happy.
 
Agreed, he was good but definitely not MOTM Rooney was much better, 2 goals and that pass to park for the third... speechless.

No way was Rooney much better. Take away Rooneys goals and he was quite average - 1 good pass to Park, what about the ball Berbatov laid down for Nani down the wing (scoop pass) whilst surrounded by players.
 
Berbatov was very very good today. MOTM for me. No way Rooney, nor Nani were better. Rooney scored 2 and God bless his skills, but misplaced many passes and was definitely less involved than Berba. Nani as well was involved, but how many times did he lose the ball and the crosses were sub par. Berba was great in the first half and everything went through him and even better in the last 25 min.
 
Why?

Everything went through Nani today...In the first half almost all of our chances were created by him and he then set up the crucial first... and for about 70 minutes (until Berba started to be noticeably good) everything went through Nani and Evra on the left.

Berba did relatively little of effect for those 70 minutes. Yes he held it up and passed it well, but so did Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia, hell even Vidic. His main function was to create or score, and twice he turned away from goal when put clean through and missed 2 very good headed chances. Nani was a far more prolific creator in that time too. I don't want to be harsh on him Brad cos he was good, but Nani was our driving force for most of the match and Berba a peripheral figue who didn't do much of note, or that wasn't standarrdly expected of him anyway until the last 20 minutes

But no, he was superb and outstanding, cos he always is when he's normally good cos that levels out the spastic overreacting when he's not that effectual ....course he was. Go ahead mate.

I'm sure I'll get the "you just don't get football" argument in a a minute. All of the none creative things he did were standard things everyone else did, but it's exaggerated for him, just like everything good or bad is.

Sometimes, I think someone else is logging in with Mockney's account.
Strange, to say the least
 
Berbatov was very very good today. MOTM for me. No way Rooney, nor Nani were better. Rooney scored 2 and God bless his skills, but misplaced many passes and was definitely less involved than Berba. Nani as well was involved, but how many times did he lose the ball and the crosses were sub par. Berba was great in the first half and everything went through him and even better in the last 25 min.

Rooney and Berbatov both made 5 unsuccessful passes. Rooney was less involved because a huge part of his role in the side is off the ball movement creating space for others and generally he needs to drop deeper to get on the ball a lot. Berbatov was more involved partly because of Rooney's ability to occupy defences.

Evra was definately one of our top few players today. A contant threat linking up with Nani. He made 63 successful passes today. 63.
 
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