The way he's been playing means we'd be losing out if we sold him for £16m, regardless of the initial fee.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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He doesn't need to do everything, but at least a basic rule of a lone striker is to be on the end of things, well at least try. I didn't see Berbs try hard enough to get into the box, never mind the counter attacks, just the normal plays he was drifting out wide too much. I do accept that it wasn't entirely his fault as playing Gibson behind the striker made no sense at all.
I'd rather he was the one dropping deep creating things, even as the only striker, when our midfield's performing as poorly as they were because if he wasn't no-one was.
Nani wasn't doing anything regardless, and Berbatov was usually the one finding Valencia in space.
But then that's just me.
Nani wasn't doing anything regardless, and Berbatov was usually the one finding Valencia in space.
But then that's just me.
It seems to be Berbatov's main function nowadays to play as the man who then finds Valencia in space. If he does that he gets all the plaudits. Maybe we seriously ought to consider playing him in midfield then as that is the role he seems most suited to.
I was completely against that idea a few weeks ago but judging how Gibson played and us not having much else on offer, may not be such a bad suggestion?
I was completely against that idea a few weeks ago but judging how Gibson played and us not having much else on offer, may not be such a bad suggestion?
Well finding our most creative player in the past few weeks is part of it, yeah, but so is scoring 5 goals in his last 7 league starts.
Clearly that's not useful at all though...
Clearly that's not useful at all though...
see the way i see it is that we had a creative midfielder in young Scholes mould Berbs would be completely dispensable. but we don't have such a player, Scholes goes form hot to cold something and as you said Berbatov link up play with Valencia (who links us well with Rooney) is very good. So at the current form and with Valencia on fire Berbatov is a nice addition to our team.
exactly. for few obvious reasons.
Well least on paper they weren't as we would have won or lost those five matches that he scored in. But that's neither here nor there as he played a much greater role in the side than those five goals.
Unless of course we win the league on goal difference.
Honestly, do you think he's honestly been a top quality performer for us this season? Do you honestly even think he's been consistently good?
Let me reiterate what I've said before in the past, I don't think it's Berbatov's fault. Far from being one to criticise Ferguson, I think he has made the wrong choice in signing him. We had a perfectly capable and effective front two of Rooney and Tevez with the obvious support of Ronaldo and Ferguson broke it up. Yes, we still won the league and made the CL Final, I am not arguing that, but let's be honest, it was massively frustrating at times last season, and this season for that matter, not having the same fluidity and attacking prowess we had in 2007/08, and that was down to Berbatov.
I simply think he is the not the right fit for United, and Ferguson trying to buy Benzema is evident of that in my opinion.
Ronaldo was always leaving (Can't blame SAF for that). Tevez could have stayed remeber he was offered a contract that he and his agent rejected....Though SAF could have been blamed for Tevez behaviour.
Yes, Ronaldo was always leaving, but he still had another season to play with Rooney and Tevez and Tevez was dropped in favour of Berbatov, without reason really, for the majority of the season. My gripe with it is Tevez was playing very, very well the season before and also started the 2008/09 as our best player, then as soon as Berbatov arrived, he was dumped. Now, he got a fair amount of playing time, the stattos have shown this, but what wasn't black and white was he was demoted, unjustifiably, by Ferguson and as a result suffered loss of match practise, confidence etc.
All I'm saying is it wan't broken, it worked very well, so why try and fix it? Rooney and Tevez were great at linking up, with or without Ronaldo.
Amazing in it?
Is that a wind-up?
We'd be lucky to get 15 million for him. Not that we would sell because we're so short on strikers as it is.
I strongly disagree. Tevez started well (pre-season) but was rather poor for almost the rest of the season. To blame now either Fergie or Berbatov is ridiculous. At United, you face strong competiton, and if that was too much for him, he's mentally not strong enough to play for United. Plus, when given the chance, he didnt shine very often, he was playing rather poor instead of stepping up. I can only blame Tevez on this one
Why is there such contention when he's been in quite good form recently? Always baffles me that his non scoring contributions are overlooked. As well as generally improving his running and harrying, he created the equaliser in the carling cup final. For several games past now he's linked exceptionally well with Valencia (who in turn linked well with Rooney). The Berbatov -> Valencia -> Rooney -> route is one we've taken often in the last few weeks.
since you are a member for 3 years, you should know better. There are players that can do as well as they want on the pitch, they are just not rated. Fletch's improvement wasnt seen or appriciated until he really made it very obvious to all of the fans. The same for Berbatov. The fans have its opinion, and it would need 30 Messi-esque games for some on here to change their mind
are you skitzophrenic Sunny Jim?
We can dream boss man, we can dream. I'm sure the massives would be willing to lend a helping hand.
This is Berba's blog from his personal site, translated by a Bulgarian poster in the Newbs (without Plech's help).
I'm wondering how to start.But manifestly when everybody in Bulgaria understand of Football,give rates and competition opinion,but these people never kick a ball in a whole life,in that way i will start to give a way to my opinion...howsoever this is my website and i can write,what i wish .
this article is for all those "understandable peoples",all envious man ,all the
malicious,peoples who can't sleeп,when they see a man who succeed.I'm one of these success peoples ,who examine the malicios and the hate at my own back.There are many success peoples in Bulgaria and I suppose ,that they feeling in the same way like me.I Can't speak from their name,so i let speak for myself.
It's very hard especially in Bulgaria to admit success to others.I don't know what is the reason,but is hard for some peoples to accept the fact,that there are so many success mans and always will be.I've had enough and reading alot of stuffs ,especially by my address mcinung exactly of that kind of mans,envious and malicious,but how say on of my favourite poets "I AM THE DOG YOU LOVE TO HATE,BECAUSE I AM A BIG SUCCESS".The only thig that i can feel to those mans is pity.They never will overjump theirs worths (Envious and malicious) ,to see how much better may be the world.They never will be a worth mans,and will never live with themselves,knew ,that there are mans,much successful and loved.
I wrote for all there "Journalists",who afford to write bollocks and to intrigue by my address,mans,who hardly admit my success and don't show respect.So,there are no way to receive it from me.But my success is a fact,and is sweetest of the fact,that i come from a small country like Bulgaria,but i have the possibility to play in the biggest club in the world.My achievements too,i'm 29 y/o and i attaintment much more than many others,because my dreams has no end ,and i never jealous and do intrigue.Nobody can't take this things from me.Of Course there are
exceptions.As there are good and bad football players,the same way there are good and bad journalists.I wrote this,because many men,must be puted on their place,every thing has a limits.Many times peoples told me that i'm humble,but here my humility stay at background.To may all we,who going forward,must abolish the jealous and malicious.We must ignore and forget about all these peoples,preaches those qualities,because soon or later this will happen too.They will be forgot,while all we, will be remembered for a long time,even we are gone.
One advice to rest ,to which this article not apply and i will qoute Mark Tven "Beware of people who are trying to downplay your achievements and ambitions. Small people always do. While truly great will make you feel as if you yourself can become a great". Don't stop to dreaming and to help.
I WILL WRITE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL envious mans,I AM VERY HIGH FOR YOU TO SEE. And even as went to fall, I will fall to as low.
DB
Haters
I'm wondering how to start.But manifestly when everybody in Bulgaria understand of Football,give rates and competition opinion,but these people never kick a ball in a whole life,in that way i will start to give a way to my opinion...howsoever this is my website and i can write,what i wish .
this article is for all those "understandable peoples",all envious man ,all the
malicious,peoples who can't sleeп,when they see a man who succeed.I'm one of these success peoples ,who examine the malicios and the hate at my own back.There are many success peoples in Bulgaria and I suppose ,that they feeling in the same way like me.I Can't speak from their name,so i let speak for myself.
It's very hard especially in Bulgaria to admit success to others.I don't know what is the reason,but is hard for some peoples to accept the fact,that there are so many success mans and always will be.I've had enough and reading alot of stuffs ,especially by my address mcinung exactly of that kind of mans,envious and malicious,but how say on of my favourite poets "I AM THE DOG YOU LOVE TO HATE,BECAUSE I AM A BIG SUCCESS".The only thig that i can feel to those mans is pity.They never will overjump theirs worths (Envious and malicious) ,to see how much better may be the world.They never will be a worth mans,and will never live with themselves,knew ,that there are mans,much successful and loved.
I wrote for all there "Journalists",who afford to write bollocks and to intrigue by my address,mans,who hardly admit my success and don't show respect.So,there are no way to receive it from me.But my success is a fact,and is sweetest of the fact,that i come from a small country like Bulgaria,but i have the possibility to play in the biggest club in the world.My achievements too,i'm 29 y/o and i attaintment much more than many others,because my dreams has no end ,and i never jealous and do intrigue.Nobody can't take this things from me.Of Course there are
exceptions.As there are good and bad football players,the same way there are good and bad journalists.I wrote this,because many men,must be puted on their place,every thing has a limits.Many times peoples told me that i'm humble,but here my humility stay at background.To may all we,who going forward,must abolish the jealous and malicious.We must ignore and forget about all these peoples,preaches those qualities,because soon or later this will happen too.They will be forgot,while all we, will be remembered for a long time,even we are gone.
One advice to rest ,to which this article not apply and i will qoute Mark Tven "Beware of people who are trying to downplay your achievements and ambitions. Small people always do. While truly great will make you feel as if you yourself can become a great". Don't stop to dreaming and to help.
I WILL WRITE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL envious mans,I AM VERY HIGH FOR YOU TO SEE. And even as went to fall, I will fall to as low.
DB
Nope, we don't need 30 Messi-esque games, just a few Catona's where he can be more influential and actually be more of a threat in the box Ruud-esque like. Needs more determination to get into the box then just pass and wait for things to happen.
I've been closely watching Berbs, since he arrived and what he is lacking is off the ball movement, especially in the box. You don't need glasses to see the difference on how Wayne moves and Berbs move, if he could get into the box more and at least look more deadly, then its 30m well spent. We know he has the skills in the high level, but we're talking about the basics here which is running to the box which he hasn't done enough. An easy example, Everton, Valencia wide Berbs/Roon in the box a goal, Wolves Valencia wide, Berbs was there to support to receive the short pass, Gibson and Nani in the box. It just isn't quite right.
Stoke away last season.
If I remember correctly, wasn't it Berbatov who set up Tevez for a header in a 1-0 win at the Britannia last year?
Nope. T'other way round.
EDIT: There was another very similar one nil at around that time, where Berbatov hit a cross-shot which Tevez bundled in at the far post. Can't remember who against though.
Bolton?
Berbatov scored against Bolton, Tevez against Stoke.
Berbatov set up Tevez to score at Stoke December 2008.
Berbatov scored the first goal in a 2-0 win at stoke this season.
Berbatov scored the first goal in a 2-0 win at stoke this season.
Yeah, I thought it was Tevez that scored at Stoke last year. It was the game after the world club cup was it not?
Looks like I got it wrong then. Apologies to RedMist99.
That was a seriously squeaky bum run of games. They all blur into one incredibly anxious 90 minutes.
Mmmm, no. I disagree, respectfully of course.
Berba brings a new dimension to our game. It is the same reason why, Barca sold Eto'o and got Ibrahimovich. They were the champions and on top of their game, but looked for change. Sir Alex made a point once in an interview, that he keeps bringing new players, because it keeps the players motivated. Tevez was never going to be a first choice striker in the 4-5-1 we play so often and he knew that. That is why he left. In the 4-4-2, it seems to be Berba in the hole, a role which he plays brilliantly
Benzema was the first choice to replace Tevez. Not Berbatov. It didn't work, therefore SAF bought Owen- again, as a replacement for Tevez, not Berba
Ronaldo, was going to leave a year later and SAF didn't want to miss on Berba, since he was going to be sold to City or Chelsea that summer. We got him a year earlier, than anticipated
At the end of the game last night, a few people have said there was a Berbatouch that can't be missed...anybody got a clip/gif of it?
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I still bloody love him. The European game is sorted, shame he won't play much of a part. He place is in the league, CC and FA Cup.
Might be the control, turn and outside of the boot pass to Park from near the centre circle? Only one I can remember.
The game finished with a massive punt upfield (from VdS, I think) which Berbatov killed dead, in a ridiculously nonchalant way. It was after the whistle had gone and he was under no pressure but it's the kind of thing that you average park footballer couldn't pull off in a million years. It did look very cool.
Some members still criticized him in the matchday thread when he wasn't even on the pitch.
Criticizing things he's been working on ....
Criticizing things he's been working on ....
A bit sad he didn't get to play in the end after Fergie's hint but when Rooney is fit he knows his place.
Could be the assist of the season by Berbatov there.
Deserved that goal too.
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