Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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RedSky At Night said:
It makes sense when the club in question has limited funds to spend. We have to spend wisely now and make sure that the players we sign have an impact on our play. If that 30million player is flattering to decieve then it hits us hard. It's not like we're Shitty/Chelsea and can piss it up the wall, we have to manage our funds and make sure that the players we buy are effective.

He's simply not value for money and thats the issue. Theres no doubting Berbatovs quality, but he simply isn't an effective player for us. He's a luxury player.
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Well like I said Fergie gets his transfer budget and uses it like he wants to.

In a squad worth a total of x million pounds he chooses 11 of them each time. It's the squads worth that is important, not the worth of those on the pitch. If Park is a better choice for a certain game then he will start, despite costing a sixth of what Berbatov cost.
 
Raees said:
What else is he going to say, 'I thought Berba was fecking useless and I can't bear playing with him'.

Quotes like that are meaningless, as no one will say what they're thinking in front of the media.
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If he had a problem with Berbatov then he wouldn't have said anything in the first place.
 
I just think he needs a partner up top unless the midfield really push up and carrick/gibson won't offer enough. I don't think. He doesn't really have the pace to do the role on the level of a saha for example

Yesterday we created very little up until the point they tired and we bought on Diouf to help support Berbatov. His touch/imagination etc is still world class, just not enough support around him.
 
Striker10 said:
I just think he needs a partner up top unless the midfield really push up and carrick/gibson won't offer enough. I don't think. He doesn't really have the pace to do the role on the level of a saha for example

Yesterday we created very little up until the point they tired and we bought on Diouf to help support Berbatov.
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A partner is exactly what he needs. His form has been good this season. People with agendas just refuse to see any good in what he does. He's not set the place alight, but he's been quietly very effective in games. I personally think that he's starting to link up really nicely with Rooney and Valencia.
 
I've just skimmed a couple of the posts since yesterday so I could be mightily wrong, but am I the only one who thought he was our best player yesterday? At some points he was the only one running, let alone trying to actually unlock their defence.
 
kouroux said:
I don't need to as I and we always know how you regard Berbatov.You're just biased
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So now you were talking about Berbatov? Forget the glasses, lay off the crack. You said that I consider Arshavin a midfielder when I didnt even mention the Ruski. I didnt bring up the comparisons, but I talked about Anelka the striker and Berbatov the striker. You need help.
 
AVARiCE said:
I've just skimmed a couple of the posts since yesterday so I could be mightily wrong, but am I the only one who thought he was our best player yesterday? At some points he was the only one running, let alone trying to actually unlock their defence.
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It's been like this on a number of occasions of late.
 
Well last match pretty much just confirmed what we all know. 4-3-3 can't work unless you have a striker more mobile than Berbatov and why SAF keeps trying to plug him in this whole I don't understand.

Counter-attacks are the easiest source of goals but with Berbatov that part of our game is effectively dead because he can't turn and run with the ball.

How many moves where slowed down by him and his partner in crime Nani taking too many touches. Just use your fecking fabulous touch to control once and then ping it wide and move on!

Also again the languid style infuriates, I remember a counter that started about 40 yards from goal with Park, Diouf plus him V 3 Wolves defenders with Berbatov just lazily strolled forward by the time they were around the 20 yard mark it was 2 v 3 so of course no goal.
 
krazyrobus said:
Well last match pretty much just confirmed what we all know. 4-3-3 can't work unless you have a striker more mobile than Berbatov and why SAF keeps trying to plug him in this whole I don't understand.

Counter-attacks are the easiest source of goals but with Berbatov that part of our game is effectively dead because he can't turn and run with the ball.

How many moves where slowed down by him and his partner in crime Nani taking too many touches. Just use your fecking fabulous touch to control once and then ping it wide and move on!

Also again the languid style infuriates, I remember a counter that started about 40 yards from goal with Park, Diouf plus him V 3 Wolves defenders with Berbatov just lazily strolled forward by the time they were around the 20 yard mark it was 2 v 3 so of course no goal.
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That's because he's not the kind of player to bust a gut to get into the box, DUH. He's a deep lying forward or something like that, he would be wasted trying to get on the end of something. Wait, huh?
 
Boss said:
That's because he's not the kind of player to bust a gut to get into the box, DUH. He's a deep lying forward or something like that, he would be wasted trying to get on the end of something. Wait, huh?
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Yes he is not that kind of player but then if you don't work on the deficiencies in your game then what the feck are you playing at utd for then? I didn't know Rooney was born with an innate heading ability.

And he didn't have to bust a gut to get alongside Diouf even being 10 yards behind him to pick up a stray clearance or make use of the space along the edge of the box would have been enough but he couldn't make up 20 fecking yards at how many thousand pounds a week?
 
krazyrobus said:
Yes he is not that kind of player but then if you don't work on the deficiencies in your game then what the feck are you playing at utd for then? I didn't know Rooney was born with an innate heading ability.

And he didn't have to bust a gut to get alongside Diouf even being 10 yards behind him to pick up a stray clearance or make use of the space along the edge of the box would have been enough but he couldn't make up 20 fecking yards at how many thousand pounds a week?
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£90 000 per week I believe but I'm pretty sure he's being economic with his energy. He must have foreseen the chance going to waste and used his energy for other opportunities.
 
Then we need to add his foresight to his growing list of deficiencies because that was his last tangible goal threat of the match
 
AVARiCE said:
At some points he was the only one running, let alone trying to actually unlock their defence.
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I suppose you didn't see Valencia or Nani play then, the fact that they had no one but themselves to cross into the box was a huge sticking point. And that is why Berbatov despite playing well didn't have a "brillant" game and why I am a bit worried if we have to go with him alone up front on Wednesday.
 
To be fair Veron was very good for us on champions league nights. Whereas Berbatov tends to be on the bench.
 
djemba's arse said:
Very much like Veron. Flashes of brilliance, but overall he hasn't gelled with the team nor has he improved it. Not one of our better buys.
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Sometimes you pay xxx amount of money and after 10 games it looks a bargain. With berbatov we just have to accept it might only look like money well spent at the end where we can see what he helped us win He's in his prime but he can play on for many years yet because of his style.

He's missed more chances then you'd expect but if he scores the winner, even off his backside, in a champions league final? It's worth it. At the minute, I don't think anyone could say he's been value for money but he has the quality to do good things here
 
Striker10 said:
Sometimes you pay xxx amount of money and after 10 games it looks a bargain. With berbatov we just have to accept it might only look like money well spent at the end where we can see what he helped us win He's in his prime but he can play on for many years yet because of his style.

He's missed more chances then you'd expect but if he scores the winner, even off his backside, in a champions league final? It's worth it. At the minute, I don't think anyone could say he's been value for money but he has the quality to do good things here
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Sure he has the quality to do things here which is why you can't label him as a flop just yet. I mean Sheringham left the club as a complete success but after a year and a half was deemed to be even more of waste of space than some people have labelled Berbatov.

Dimitar can still turn it around but if he carries on performing as he has done (alright but not outstanding) and then gets sold in the summer, he would be deemed as a bit of a flop.
 
Striker10 said:
Sometimes you pay xxx amount of money and after 10 games it looks a bargain. With berbatov we just have to accept it might only look like money well spent at the end where we can see what he helped us win He's in his prime but he can play on for many years yet because of his style.

He's missed more chances then you'd expect but if he scores the winner, even off his backside, in a champions league final? It's worth it. At the minute, I don't think anyone could say he's been value for money but he has the quality to do good things here
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At the current rate he'll be lucky if he gets one more season. All this bollocks about him playing on till his mid 30s because of his style, yet he hasnt yet done enough at 29 years old. Its highly unlikely he's going to get better with age when he does even less running and he's even slower to react.

I mean, he might well play until his mid 30s but not at a top club. Not unless he really turns on the magic in a couple of big matches this season and secures his future.
 
He'll be here come next season purely because we'll have to take a huge loss if we sell him, and lets face it. Who else do we have in our striking dept if we sell Berbatov? Diouf doesn't look ready. Macheda still looks a year or two from a regular place. Welbeck is in the same boat and Owen doesn't add more to a team then Berba.

So unless we buy a David Villa or Higuain I'm not sure we can afford to get rid of Berbatov. We just have to live with the fact that he's never going to live up to the 33 million pound transfer because he was never worth that much. We overpaid for him and that's on us.

It's hardly the first time we paid over the odds to land a player, and as long as the team wins I could care less about one individual.
 
Strange that both players and manager were very complimentary of Berba's performance yesterday. Oh wait it's Berba so they were just saying it.

He did well. He kept the entire back 4 occupied. Showed up on either wing and played up top to trouble the CBs. For once his touch let him down or would have scored from playing off of the shoulder. He lead the line very well.
 
Shimo said:
Strange that both players and manager were very complimentary of Berba's performance yesterday. Oh wait it's Berba so they were just saying it.

He did well. He kept the entire back 4 occupied. Showed up on either wing and played up top to trouble the CBs. For once his touch let him down or would have scored from playing off of the shoulder. He lead the line very well.
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Some people will never be happy with him because they have a hard-on for David Villa or someone like that. It's all just muppetry.
 
Berbatov is a wonderfully gifted and talented footballer.

Is he right for United? I'm beginning to think he has his place but certainly not as a lone striker.
 
Things only happened when the ball got to Berbatov. That's more to say to our midfield rather than him. There was no man behind him to help out. Our counter-attacks were slow. We were often 2 or 3 players against 5-6 defenders. Largely because we had a slow set of three similar midfielders.

Not much else we could do. Some players could do with a rest.
But hey, we got the win which is important. Champions always get one or two wins per season of that sort. My only real problem yesterday was Carrick. He wasn't good and made two schoolboy errors that almost cost us goals. He saved his one arse on one of them but couldn't have been luckier on the latter.
 
Shimo said:
Strange that both players and manager were very complimentary of Berba's performance yesterday. Oh wait it's Berba so they were just saying it.

He did well. He kept the entire back 4 occupied. Showed up on either wing and played up top to trouble the CBs. For once his touch let him down or would have scored from playing off of the shoulder. He lead the line very well.
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Clearly though Ekeke and such like know alot more than the club captian and the greatest manager in history on this one......:rolleyes: I think it was abundantly clear to the vast majority of us watching the game last night that Berbatov led the line extremly well yesterday, hardly surprising the manager and Rio have since come out and said exactly the same....speaking of his performance in glowing terms, and rightly so.

Unfortunatly, certain people on here see only what they want to see, or not see as the case may be, remember Berbatov apparently wasnt even capable of playing the lone striker role according to a select few on here :lol:....so i guess thats been a hard pill to swollow to, either that or they know more about Berbatov than Sir Alex Ferguson, the club captian and the Bulgarian national teams set up....

Yeah.....that must be it.
 
Not sure why people are taking what SAF and Rio said for gold proof. With Rooney being a major doubt for Milan and Diouf unlikely to start as he is not really near match fitness then Berbatov up front on his own is likely to happen again. Seeing as Dimitar has shown mentally that he is quite fragile, the last thing we want is him to go missing in a big match particularly as he will be our most important player.

For majority of the match when Berbatov played on his own, we struggled to create any chances. Astounding that he himself only had one shot the entire game. Not altogether his own fault but Valencia was crossing for Nani, and Nani was crossing for Valencia and so there wasn't really anyone for them to aim at. The side looked a whole lot better when Diouf came on and everyone else had someone to play off.
 
Looks like he will get his chance

Man Utd boss Ferguson: Berbatov will start against AC Milan | Premiership News | tribalfootball.com

Man Utd boss Ferguson: Berbatov will start against AC Milan



Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson says Dimitar Berbatov will start this week against Champions League opponents AC Milan.

Ferguson had expected Rooney to sit out England’s friendly against Egypt following his knee complaint, but the 24-year-old ended up playing nearly the whole game and now looks to have paid the price for his exertions.

“Rooney is very doubtful for the Milan game unfortunately,” Sir Alex told MUTV. “It’s one of these bad bits of luck you get – the Wembley pitch has just killed him.

"I was pleased with how [Dimitar] Berbatov did against Wolves
 
Boss said:
Looks like he will get his chance

Man Utd boss Ferguson: Berbatov will start against AC Milan | Premiership News | tribalfootball.com

Man Utd boss Ferguson: Berbatov will start against AC Milan



Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson says Dimitar Berbatov will start this week against Champions League opponents AC Milan.

Ferguson had expected Rooney to sit out England’s friendly against Egypt following his knee complaint, but the 24-year-old ended up playing nearly the whole game and now looks to have paid the price for his exertions.

“Rooney is very doubtful for the Milan game unfortunately,” Sir Alex told MUTV. “It’s one of these bad bits of luck you get – the Wembley pitch has just killed him.

"I was pleased with how [Dimitar] Berbatov did against Wolves
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Rooney's a loss but I think we'll see a much improved team performance with Fletcher and Park. This in turn means Berbatov will look a lot less isolated.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Rooney's a loss but I think we'll see a much improved team performance with Fletcher and Park. This in turn means Berbatov will look a lot less isolated.
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Let's hope so and let's hope Nani and Valencia have someone else other than each other to cross into the box.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Not sure why people are taking what SAF and Rio said for gold proof. With Rooney being a major doubt for Milan and Diouf unlikely to start as he is not really near match fitness then Berbatov up front on his own is likely to happen again. Seeing as Dimitar has shown mentally that he is quite fragile, the last thing we want is him to go missing in a big match particularly as he will be our most important player.
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This is why I said people will point out they just said it because it's Berbatov. Typically expected response. In fact maybe you can come up with something like Ferguson told Rio what to say before the interview or maybe Berba's psycho-therapist called ahead and told SAF to make sure to molly coddle him in his interviews.

Yeah okay they just said it to big him up cause he is mentally fragile :wenger:

Our most important players are going to be our defense and midfield. A goal will be a bonus but, that we control the midfield and are defensively resolute will be the key of the match.
 
Boss said:
If there was any a time to stand up and be counted and shut alot of doubters up, well this is it.
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Hope so. He was ok against Wolves, but we need better than ok against AC Milan. Without Rooney we need speed, movement and a goal threat up front. Berbatov must remain near the opposition goal whenever possible and make himself available for our delivery from the wings. This time our midfield had better push up to support our attacking efforts and ensure he doesnt get isolated. We are the home team and we must attack.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Let's hope so and let's hope Nani and Valencia have someone else other than each other to cross into the box.
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Nani won't play.

So you don't need to worry about that.

I think you'll find Park will link up with Berbatov just as well as Valencia did yesterday. He's a very intelligent footballer, you see, as are Valencia and Berbatov.

As for bodies in the box, Fletcher will be a much better bet to get on the end of a cross than either Carrick or Gibson were yesterday.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Rooney's a loss but I think we'll see a much improved team performance with Fletcher and Park. This in turn means Berbatov will look a lot less isolated.
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Park and Fletcher as so vital at this point in the season. Players you can rely on for 8 marks out of 10 performances at least.

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Park-Carrick-Scholes--Fletcher--Valencia
--Evra---Rio---Vidic---Rafael/Neville
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A formation like this can only really work if Park and Valencia are getting forward into the box a lot to support Brbatov. And both of them can do that.
 
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