Berbatov has scored in each and everyone of his four last premiership starts now I think.
That's encouraging for the run-in I think.
That's encouraging for the run-in I think.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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We can't go head to head against these teams with a Scholes and Carrick midfield anymore. Carrick is a good player, but he's not at the top level. Scholes is not what he was. We simply have to have Fletcher is these types of games.
If it comes down to it and Rooney and Berbatov have poor games and aren't scoring and we change the system, then obviously it'll be Berbatov who will be dropped. When playing poorly, Rooney is a far better option than Berbatov because he works his balls off and fights for everything. Berbatov isn't that type of player and his strengths lie in different areas. Rooney will always put in a good shift even when off form.
In relation to our midfield, I believe it is as good as anyone else's. I think Carrick and Fletcher as a combination will come out on top of any other two man midfield combination 90% of the time. Both have demonstrated on numerous occasions that they can outplay the likes of Fabregas and Essien.
. If we had a midfield 4 of Becks, Keane, Scholes and Giggs in their prime we'd be able to play 4-4-2 vs anyone and most likely hammer them even if they had 5 in the middle.
Most sides simply don't have the personnel to execute the formation against all sides. Claiming the system is obsolete is plain laughable.
Even if he was on fire, he'd still not justify playing an on fire Rooney out of position. & that's the bottom line.
If we had a midfield 4 of Becks, Keane, Scholes and Giggs in their prime we'd be able to play 4-4-2 vs anyone and most likely hammer them even if they had 5 in the middle.
Most sides simply don't have the personnel to execute the formation against all sides. Claiming the system is obsolete is plain laughable.
Even if he was on fire, he'd still not justify playing an on fire Rooney out of position. & that's the bottom line.
It just is!
Spot on.
Honestly me I'm off to bed. I can't be arsed any more pointing out obvious things to people who simply refuse to accept them, right now.
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No arguments there at all i agree entirely, Carrick is not up to it in a midfield 2 against the better sides that much is plain for all to see, hes proven that plenty of times in the past few months, to be fair though that could be said for all our midfield apart from Fletch.
Not dissagreeing with that either which is why Rooney will always play as the 1 lone striker in the 4-3-3 system.
I do to bar Barcelona, when used as a three (Fletcher/Carrick/Anderson or Scholes), in big matches when weve played a straight 2 weve come out hugely second best.
No arguments there at all i agree entirely, Carrick is not up to it in a midfield 2 against the better sides that much is plain for all to see, hes proven that plenty of times in the past few months, to be fair though that could be said for all our midfield apart from Fletch.
Not dissagreeing with that either which is why Rooney will always play as the 1 lone striker in the 4-3-3 system.
I do to bar Barcelona, when used as a three (Fletcher/Carrick/Anderson or Scholes), in big matches when weve played a straight 2 weve come out hugely second best.
I dont blame you chief thankfully you have been one of the very few voices of reason in here tonight
You mean the 8 points we got from using the 4-4-2 in said games?
Yeah, had feck all to do with us winning the title. How many points above Chelsea did we finish again?
Cheif you dont honestly believe in your heart of hearts that Fergie would pay £31 million for a striker with the intention to only play him in smaller matches and bench him in the big ones. Especially when he keeps banging on about 'value'.
He clearly bought him to play in big matches, but for whatever reason, it hasnt worked out.
Still ignoring that post that makes you look like a complete tit Allforone? Good work lad. Keep it up
I havnt ignored anything Samuel, it was dealt with within various posts by myself and the chief long ago, if your that slow on the uptake thats your own issue to deal with really, if you want to keep on throwing abuse everywhere like an angry toddler whos had his ice cream taken away be my guest kiddo, as the chief said trying to point at the obvious to certain posters is rather tiresome after a while.
Have a nice evening.
Have a nice evening.
Great view of his goal.
Well yes you have actually. 3 times infact.
No it wasnt
You just know you're wrong to say I said something which I clearly didnt, and every poster reading this thread knows it to.
Nice little attempt at patronising to try and get yourself out of this sticky situation, but attempt to still look like you have the upper hand.
Read the thread back my friend. You'll soon see who the 'angry toddler' is, and who the people making valid and backed up arguments are
Tell me about it. We have to 'debate' with you.
When the going gets tough and all that...
No it wasnt
You just know you're wrong to say I said something which I clearly didnt, and every poster reading this thread knows it to.
Nice little attempt at patronising to try and get yourself out of this sticky situation, but attempt to still look like you have the upper hand.
Read the thread back my friend. You'll soon see who the 'angry toddler' is, and who the people making valid and backed up arguments are
Tell me about it. We have to 'debate' with you.
When the going gets tough and all that...
try harder my friend.....your veiled attempts are weakening....
No reply. What a surprise.
Come back when you learn to debate on a forum
To sum it up probably the most respected knowledgeable person in this debate tonight namely the Chief agreed with everything i said on the matter, however seemed to think you were a bit of an idiot Sam (cant for the life of me think why).....we'll just leave it there i think……oh so close but yet so far ......one day youll make it sam.,...one day.
...one day youll make it sam.,...one day.To sum it up probably the most respected knowledgeable person in this debate tonight namely the Chief agreed with everything i said on the matter, however seemed to think you were a bit of an idiot Sam (cant for the life of me think why).....we'll just leave it there i think……oh so close but yet so far ...
And look whos running away.
To sum it up probably the most respected knowledgeable person in this debate tonight namely the Chief agreed with everything i said on the matter, however seemed to think you were a bit of an idiot Sam (cant for the life of me think why).....we'll just leave it there i think……oh so close but yet so far ...
I'm flattered Allforone. Wait, who?
I meant you to, of course i did
....to be fair i hadnt seen a post of yours tonight youll have to forgive me on that one....Still ignoring that post that makes you look like a complete tit Allforone? Good work lad. Keep it up
There it is, in black and white. You making a complete tit of yourself.
Good work lad.
Why did the Chief think you were a bit of an idiot Sam? is it because of posts like above do you think? what do you think you could work on to improve yourself in forum matters?
With regard to the bolded bit - why do you think he couldn't have bought Berbatov with a mind to play both formations?
I hate all this talk of Ferguson not 'buying a 31 million pound player to sit on the bench'.
Clearly he didn't do that - to suggest anyone here would think he did is a bit retarded of you actually.
Ferguson has said umpteen times over the last few seasons that football has changed from being about 11 players to being about a squad of about 25 players. In case you hadn't noticed, Ferguson has spent the last few seasons quietly rotating his squad more than Ranieri or Benitez ever have and to far greater effect.
I just don't get this debate - Manchester United is clearly big enough to have two 30 million pound plus strikers, as well as having Michael Owen and the young guns in the squad.
Rooney is in scintillating form right now but clearly before the season is over Berbatov and Owen are going to make their mark... I'm sure Fergie is delighted to have the options.
Stop making it black and white about SAF 'buying a 31 million pound player for the bench'. Or course he didn't - he bought him because United need both and so far its worked out pretty well...
Still ignoring that post that makes you look like a complete tit Allforone? Good work lad. Keep it up
There it is, in black and white. You making a complete tit of yourself.
Good work lad.
I can keep posting this until you manage to actually reply to it. Until then you're just ignoring the clear evidence in black and white that makes you look like a complete tit.
Running away? Sam do you realise this is the internet, its not possible to 'run' anywhere, secondly its 20 past midnight and some of us do have jobs and responsabilities, in time youll come to realise this.....in time.....
Hmmm, spamming is a bannable offence isnt it?
, but by all means post away and trot out as many abusive insults as you wish long into the night, im off to bed (or running away as you put it, bless your little cotton socks) Is this you Sam?
Nighty night.
I'd say its pretty 'retarded' of you to say that Fergie would buy a £31 million striker with the intention to bench him. He may well have wanted to play both formations, infact I'm certain he did, both have there merits. Berbatov would have been in mind to play in both of them though.
And last seasons evidence shows that he was bought to play in the big games. He played in all the big games until the latter stage of the season and didnt play very well. This season, he hasnt even started them.
Hmmm, spamming is a bannable offence isnt it?
Is this you Sam?
Nighty night.
Either reply to my post (not that you actually have a reply, because its clear to everyone here that you're in the wrong). Or go to bed.
Oh and that picture sums you up perfectly. When you're not getting you're way you resort to pathetic attempts at patronising or just insulting people. Its pretty sad for a grown man. But each to there own I guess. Oh, and you're the one that keeps 'going to bed'
To sum it up probably the most respected knowledgeable person in this debate tonight namely the Chief agreed with everything i said on the matter, however seemed to think you were a bit of an idiot Sam (cant for the life of me think why).....we'll just leave it there i think……oh so close but yet so far ...
Kemo is that you?
Actually, the Roma match was our first really successful experiement with the 4231/433 that we now normally use against top teams. We played Smith up front by himself with Rooney on the left, Ronaldo on the right, and Giggs through the middle ahead of the midfield two of Carrick and Fletcher.
And we continued using that system a number of times in the month or so afterwards if I remember correctly, racking up some big scores. Demolished Newcaste I think, although then again we always do that anyway.
8 points out of a possible 18. What great out lay form big matches
So? Do those points count in terms of HOW we performed against big sides?
Or are you amongst those who don't get we won the league that year mainly because of how we consistently beat up on everyone else....
As far as I know he bought him to strengthen his side's forward line. Hoping rather than knowing he could use him in all types of matches.
It can't work for one reason alone. Fergie doesn't have the midfield 4 to make it work. Even if Berbatov was on fire, he'd still not get a look in most big games, whilst Rooney is our best player and 4-3-3/4-5-1 is the go to system for them matches.
It isn't even an excuse for Berbatov but just the plain truth.
I remember thinking "aaaaaaaaah, so THAT's what SAF was going for", when we finally got to see that formation click.
Insane.
It's the use of the word 'only' that bothers me with your argument. Of course SAF didn't buy Berbatov to 'only' play him in smaller games or put him on the bench. But he probably did buy him with a view to increasing his options, allowing him to rotate his squad better, allowing him to rest Rooney, and - very importantly - covering our arse in the event of a Rooney injury. In my opinion, that list fully justifies our outlay of 31 million pounds.
I still just don't get your outrage at this issue. We're a big enough club to need - and be able to fully justify - having 2 expensive star strikers. I've no problem with SAF realising that the team is currently best served with Berbatov starting from the bench, and I'm confident that there will come a time when Berbatov makes himself indispensable to the team in the same way that Rooney currently is.
Report: Manchester United's Ferguson Faces Tough Decision Over Berbatov
Time to fish or cut bait.
Feb 18, 2010 12:32:00 PM
Speculation surrounds the futures of Michael Owen and Dimitar Berbatov as press reports indicate that Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson is resigned to losing the former in the summer, yet did not acquire a striker in January as he was wary about affecting the latter's mentality.
According to The Times, Ferguson has to nurture Berbatov. The Bulgarian hotshot requires an arm around the shoulder and the report alludes to the possibility that any import in the striking department in the middle of the season would be treated as a replacement for Berbatov, in the former Tottenham Hotspur striker's mindset.
Wayne Rooney is arguably the first name on the team-sheet at United. Berbatov, however, plays a fringe role and has scored just eight goals in all competitions this season.
Owen, meanwhile, has featured even less than Berbatov, and has been largely limited to roles in the domestic cups, and the Champions League group stage.
The Times also claim that, even though it is apparent a Berbatov and Rooney partnership is not yet clicking, he will maintain the services of the 29-year-old, as purchasing replacements for both Berbatov and Owen would be too laborious
Time to fish or cut bait.
Feb 18, 2010 12:32:00 PM
Speculation surrounds the futures of Michael Owen and Dimitar Berbatov as press reports indicate that Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson is resigned to losing the former in the summer, yet did not acquire a striker in January as he was wary about affecting the latter's mentality.
According to The Times, Ferguson has to nurture Berbatov. The Bulgarian hotshot requires an arm around the shoulder and the report alludes to the possibility that any import in the striking department in the middle of the season would be treated as a replacement for Berbatov, in the former Tottenham Hotspur striker's mindset.
Wayne Rooney is arguably the first name on the team-sheet at United. Berbatov, however, plays a fringe role and has scored just eight goals in all competitions this season.
Owen, meanwhile, has featured even less than Berbatov, and has been largely limited to roles in the domestic cups, and the Champions League group stage.
The Times also claim that, even though it is apparent a Berbatov and Rooney partnership is not yet clicking, he will maintain the services of the 29-year-old, as purchasing replacements for both Berbatov and Owen would be too laborious
Berbatov is becoming the biggest mental case for Ferguson to fix - ever.
We all know the modernstories about Veron, Forlan, Kleberson, Djembax2, and Liam Miller. It only goes to show what has always been said. It's one thing to play for Aston Villa or lurk around in spain with a drink in your hand. When you're playing at Old Trafford it's a totally new thing. There's football and then there's playing football under SAF. Even a person like Berbatov - Mr confident/Mr Ego/ Mr Boner. He's got nothing to show and still he's got all that talent. It's not possible to say what way he's heading
We all know the modernstories about Veron, Forlan, Kleberson, Djembax2, and Liam Miller. It only goes to show what has always been said. It's one thing to play for Aston Villa or lurk around in spain with a drink in your hand. When you're playing at Old Trafford it's a totally new thing. There's football and then there's playing football under SAF. Even a person like Berbatov - Mr confident/Mr Ego/ Mr Boner. He's got nothing to show and still he's got all that talent. It's not possible to say what way he's heading
now, that's pure irony.
Berbatov needs to get his ass into gear for the rest of the season, hopefully he does. I do wonder what United will do in the summer regarding the squad, it is still very good, but could certainly use some more attacking talent, goals, and pace imo.
Isn't Berbatov carrying a knees injury? So were using him very sparingly.
...and last season? For a mature player with prior experience of the Premier League, I thought he should have done better than he did last year.
He had Rooney and Ronaldo in tandem last year and didn't look particularly good. Compare that to Tevez's first season (please don't shoot me down, I'm just comparing) with Rooney and Ronaldo - the movement and threat was fantastic. I don't think "movement" is part of Berbatov's game, and we have always played best at pace. So while carrying an injury would exacerbate his lack of movement, it's not that brilliant to start with is it?
Yeah, he has all the classy touches, but I have not been disappointed in any of his performances than I am today.
I wish I knew to the extent his injury is hindering his performance
I wish I knew to the extent his injury is hindering his performance
Thought he led the line brilliantly today.
He was good today. I enjoyed his performance. But brilliant?
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