Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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Honestly, I thought he blew that chance with that backheel. When he was running toward the goal, Nani had taken a good position with no one covering him and I was screaming for Berbatov to play the ball. But he didn't. And two players converged on him and I thought, 'You motherfecker'. Even while he attempted backheel, their retarded RB charged in otherwise, Spurs could have played it out well.

What the hell do I know, maybe they practised this overlap routine in the training ground, but I could have sworn that just before the penalty was given, I thought Berbatov dallied on the ball and blew the chance.
 
redwhiteblack said:
Berbatov's short run and back heel to Evra (who drew to tackle and actually 'won' the penalty) was obviously a positive, but not the game defining contribution everyone here is making out.
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It was a feck up that had a half decent ending. The fact he didn't see Nani in the middle in a fantastic position stood out more for me. How many times is Evra going to be fouled in the same way??? Not very often, yet Berbatov constantly makes runs like that where he hits a brick wall.
He didn't have a bad game, but the fact is, he fecked up a good opportunity to send Nani onto score and the only reason we got a pen is because the Spuds defender made a stupid error.
 
marchi-91 said:
It was a feck up that had a half decent ending. The fact he didn't see Nani in the middle in a fantastic position stood out more for me. How many times is Evra going to be fouled in the same way??? Not very often, yet Berbatov constantly makes runs like that where he hits a brick wall.
He didn't have a bad game, but the fact is, he fecked up a good opportunity to send Nani onto score and the only reason we got a pen is because the Spuds defender made a stupid error.
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That's what I thought when I saw the game (and what I said 2 posts above), but it could well be a training ground routine practised with Evra. But you are right in a way. When the run started, Spurs had 3 defenders between the goal, but by the time Berbatov did a spin around and back heel, 5 Spurs players had converged around the ball.
 
fishfingers15 said:
That's what I thought when I saw the game (and what I said 2 posts above), but it could well be a training ground routine practised with Evra. But you are right in a way. When the run started, Spurs had 3 defenders between the goal, but by the time Berbatov did a spin around and back heel, 5 Spurs players had converged around the ball.
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Umm... I'm guessing you've never played football?

You know, it can be quite effective to draw defenders to you before releasing a pass. As we saw on Saturday.

Some of you 'tards are beyond help, you really are...
 
marchi-91 said:
It was a feck up that had a half decent ending. The fact he didn't see Nani in the middle in a fantastic position stood out more for me. How many times is Evra going to be fouled in the same way??? Not very often, yet Berbatov constantly makes runs like that where he hits a brick wall.
He didn't have a bad game, but the fact is, he fecked up a good opportunity to send Nani onto score and the only reason we got a pen is because the Spuds defender made a stupid error.
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That's the point all along. Stating that the pro Berba simply had to magnify his effort because its one of those rare moments (in our last game) when Berba looked decent.

As stated before. I do rate Berba. He can prove useful in a 2 men forward line and in front of a solid midfield. Yet he is NOT a lone striker, at least not with us.
 
every morning i wake up, this thread has grown by people still criticizing him even after a good game!
can you not just give him a break until the end of the season?
it's almost like some of you aren't really united fans
 
devilish said:
That's the point all along. Stating that the pro Berba simply had to magnify his effort because its one of those rare moments (in our last game) when Berba looked decent.

As stated before. I do rate Berba. He can prove useful in a 2 men forward line and in front of a solid midfield. Yet he is NOT a lone striker, at least not with us.
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and you think he asks to be played like that, do you?
 
EricaNo7 said:
you are criticizing him in the lone striker role - not many can play that very well.
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If Berba can't play in that role (and SAF is determined to stick to the lone striker's system) then he is not suited for our game.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Umm... I'm guessing you've never played football?

You know, it can be quite effective to draw defenders to you before releasing a pass. As we saw on Saturday.

Some of you 'tards are beyond help, you really are...
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Ummm... I play football. In fact, I have my outdoor league kick off starting from Wednesday you numbnut.

Watch the replay, 5 Spurs players were in and around the penalty area. Berbatov didn't draw all the 5 players to himself before magically releasing Evra.

As I have said in my previous post, the move could have been a well rehearsed training ground routine, which I have no way of finding out, and I'm sure you are in the same boat as me. But that was what I thought before the penalty was awarded, thar Berbatov instead of playing the simple pass out to Nani, dallied on the ball and tried the backheel because he had lost other options.

feck off with your 'you guys are really beyond help'. I'm sure if I need help, I'll pick a better poster than you.
 
EricaNo7 said:
or we could play 4-4-2 with a good midfield
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It depends on many factors like for example bringing in world class midfielders capable of allowing us to use such systems. That would cost a bomb since real talent in central midfield is rare and costly. Stating that, not many teams use 4 - 4 - 2 systems nowadays + I disagree in changing a system just to accomodate 1 player. You know the Manchester United > player stuff.
 
EricaNo7 said:
you are criticizing him in the lone striker role - not many can play that very well.
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Lol at your pathetic attempt to defend that useless striker. He is simply not good enough for hhis club. I don't give a monkey's ass whether he was playing alone or with a partner. The fact that he is a professional should register with him and all of us. He should adapt to Manchester United and not the other way. I don't expect to see a doctor for a flu and food poisoning, only to be told that he is good with the former and lacks the medication and experience to do a good job for the latter. That's the mentality of some people today. Always immersing in the comfort zone and lacking the drive and will to improve, unlike Rooney.
 
devilish said:
It depends on many factors like for example bringing in world class midfielders capable of allowing us to use such systems. That would cost a bomb since real talent in central midfield is rare and costly. Stating that, not many teams use 4 - 4 - 2 systems nowadays + I disagree in changing a system just to accomodate 1 player. You know the Manchester United > player stuff.
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so instead we pack the midfield with average players who don't cost very much? oh yes, that's the manchester united way allright!
 
fishfingers15 said:
Ummm... I play football. In fact, I have my outdoor league kick off starting from Wednesday you numbnut.

Watch the replay, 5 Spurs players were in and around the penalty area. Berbatov didn't draw all the 5 players to himself before magically releasing Evra.

As I have said in my previous post, the move could have been a well rehearsed training ground routine, which I have no way of finding out, and I'm sure you are in the same boat as me. But that was what I thought before the penalty was awarded, thar Berbatov instead of playing the simple pass out to Nani, dallied on the ball and tried the backheel because he had lost other options.

feck off with your 'you guys are really beyond help'. I'm sure if I need help, I'll pick a better poster than you.
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Yeah, I'm sure that's the type of thing worked on in training all over the country, week in, week out.

Or not...
 
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There's no harm in venting a little frustration, once he doesn't get the hump when he is on the receiving end.
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I disagree, if he isn't playign well he only has himself to blame. All this nonsence about our midfield not being good enough and what not... its absolutely rubbish, other players are doing just fine with our midfield, we are second place in the PL, made it to the quarters of the champions league, we could have hardly done all that if our midfield was rubbish.

Berba is hardly in an position to scream at our better players i.e. Nani, nani contributed much more than him. Its ok when you are Ronaldo or Rooney, the best players, if you are a player who has no significant impact on our performances you are hardly in a position to scream at someone who has done the business far more often this season.

Also, he was just average yesterday, not bad not great either.

And why are people who question his contribution not united fans? If anything they are concerned about the effect of a non performer on the welfare of the team. Strange the conclusions people come to.
 
EricaNo7 said:
so instead we pack the midfield with average players who don't cost very much? oh yes, that's the manchester united way allright!
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Are you saying a midfield of say

Valencia - Scholes - Fletcher - Nani in a 4-4-2 or
Valencia - Fletcher - Carrick - Scholes - Nani in a 4-5-1 is a poor?

Sorry, that's bull.
 
EricaNo7 said:
so instead we pack the midfield with average players who don't cost very much? oh yes, that's the manchester united way allright!
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No its not and Im confident that if United can bring in a quality midfielder then they will bring him in. Whether that would be enough to return to a 4-4-2 system remain to be seen. Stating that, players should be able to accomodate to our system and not viceversa. A striker that struggle to score at United is as equivalent to a keeper then can't save a ball expecially if he is being played as a lone striker.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Are you saying a midfield of say

Valencia - Scholes - Fletcher - Nani in a 4-4-2 or
Valencia - Fletcher - Carrick - Scholes - Nani in a 4-5-1 is a poor?

Sorry, that's bull.
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I think that we need a quality central midfielder.
 
We may well need one, but saying Berbatov isn't playing because of a weak midfield is not the right answer. If Berbatov forms a solid partnership with Rooney and scores goals week in week out, I'm sure Fergie will not hesitate to play 4-4-2.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Which one, like holding the ball and waiting for another player to make the run?

It bloody well is you muppet.
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Of course it fecking isn't. Christ, I'd love to see the training sessions in this imaginary football team you turn out for.

That sort of thing isn't rehearsed. It was a nice bit of improvisation by Berbatov and a well-timed run by Evra. Football isn't played according to complex routines, worked out on in advance on the training ground. It's not fecking ice-skating.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Of course it fecking isn't. Christ, I'd love to see the training sessions in this imaginary football team you turn out for.

That sort of thing isn't rehearsed. It was a nice bit of improvisation by Berbatov and a well-timed run by Evra. Football isn't played according to complex routines, worked out on in advance on the training ground. It's not fecking ice-skating.
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There are lot of routines that are rehearsed in football. Almost all dead ball situations are rehearsed. Throw in's are rehearsed. And I've definitely seen players who practise to hold up the ball before releasing it for a team mate.

The whole point of argument though is, Berbatov ignored the more easier and safer option to pass it to Nani who was in a better position to receive the ball and fewer opposition players to take on and did finally take the more harder option to try and find Evra through a backheel.

I know that I'll want my striker to play the easier option. Just saying, coz I'm not a Berbatov fanboy.
 
Ive been a big Berbatov critic since (and before) we bought him. Its plain to see that he doesnt really fit into our system very well at the moment, but even I can see that recently, he is at least trying, putting the work in and - against spurs anyway - not playing as deep and providing a presence in the box, which is what we have asked and what we expect from a lone striker.

I think he will be given at least one more season (though frankly I wouldnt be bothered at all if he were sold) but that if he is still looking out of place then he will be got rid of, especially since we would be expecting players like Macheda, Welbeck, Diouf and now Hernandez to be having a bigger impact over the next couple of years.

Our youth prospects create the interest case of it. What would be the benefit of selling Berbatov now, getting in another world class striker to go alongside Rooney (bearing in mind SAF rarely buys players over about 27) and then completely stifling our youth development?

If we sell Berbatov, we wont be buying in a replacement I dont think - it will be because SAF thinks that the young strikers we have in our squad are ready to make the step up to the first team.
 
fishfingers15 said:
There are lot of routines that are rehearsed in football. Almost all dead ball situations are rehearsed. Throw in's are rehearsed. And I've definitely seen players who practise to hold up the ball before releasing it for a team mate.

The whole point of argument though is, Berbatov ignored the more easier and safer option to pass it to Nani who was in a better position to receive the ball and fewer opposition players to take on and did finally take the more harder option to try and find Evra through a backheel.

I know that I'll want my striker to play the easier option. Just saying, coz I'm not a Berbatov fanboy.
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:lol: I've just got an amusing mental image of you watching "players who practise to hold up the ball before releasing it for a team mate" in your imaginary training sessions.

"Now, you run that way and I'm going to stop, turn round and back-heel it to you..."

Anyway, regarding the option Berbatov chose, I'm glad he did what he did. What with us winning a penalty an' all.
 
Yeah, the end justifies the means in situations like that. People criticising him for the pass to Evra, or saying that really, it wasnt a very good opportunity...complete bollocks, it was a good backheel, Evra was past the defender near the goalmouth and could more than likely have squared it across. Whether it would result in a goal or not we dont know, but thats irrelevant.
 
Walrus said:
Yeah, the end justifies the means in situations like that. People criticising him for the pass to Evra, or saying that really, it wasnt a very good opportunity...complete bollocks, it was a good backheel, Evra was past the defender near the goalmouth and could more than likely have squared it across. Whether it would result in a goal or not we dont know, but thats irrelevant.
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tbh i see were both side are coming from- yes that backheel pass was cool but it was also one of the very few Berba had at that.

a c'ommon back heel passes are not hard, are they?
 
EricaNo7 said:
or we could play 4-4-2 with a good midfield
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Correct, as always.

fishfingers15 said:
We may well need one, but saying Berbatov isn't playing because of a weak midfield is not the right answer. If Berbatov forms a solid partnership with Rooney and scores goals week in week out, I'm sure Fergie will not hesitate to play 4-4-2.
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You really don't get this.

Fergie will hesitate to play 442, he changes because we have a weak midfield. We changed to a 451 when Keane lost his legs, because he couldn't hack it in a 442, thus meaning we had a weak midfield and we had to get the extra man in there. It's exactly the same situation now.

Berbatov will never get the chance to form a 'solid partnership', ever.
 
Fletcher's Jilted Lover said:
Correct, as always.


You really don't get this.

Fergie will hesitate to play 442, he changes because we have a weak midfield. We changed to a 451 when Keane lost his legs, because he couldn't hack it in a 442, thus meaning we had a weak midfield and we had to get the extra man in there. It's exactly the same situation now.

Berbatov will never get the chance to form a 'solid partnership', ever.
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To be fair we have also tried Berbatov in the hole in a 4231 to help build attacks but it he hasn't made that position his own either.

Additionally he hasn't really shined (although he has done fairly well) in games where our midfield has been dominant, i.e at home against weak sides.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol: I've just got an amusing mental image of you watching "players who practise to hold up the ball before releasing it for a team mate" in your imaginary training sessions.

"Now, you run that way and I'm going to stop, turn round and back-heel it to you..."

Anyway, regarding the option Berbatov chose, I'm glad he did what he did. What with us winning a penalty an' all.
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:lol: exactly wtf.. if anything we should be encouraging Berba to take more risks.. his problem has been expressing himself and taking gambles i.e. shot taking, runs into the box etc.
 
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its intresting that we think Bebratov had a better game on Sat than against Blackburn. look at the chalkboard from the Supurs game. only 23 passes, 17 sucessful.
 
Sunny Jim said:
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its intresting that we think Bebratov had a better game on Sat than against Blackburn. look at the chalkboard from the Supurs game. only 23 passes, 17 sucessful.
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Yeah, that is a bit counter-intuitive. Although, you have to bear in mind that the game against Spurs was a lot more evenly matched, so we had less of the ball.

I don't think he was awful against Blackburn, as it happens, but the big difference between the two games for me was the amount of headers he won against Spurs and the fact he tried to impose himself a bit, physically.

Neither performance was outstanding, for the record, or even very good. He was good enough though, especially against Spurs. He is slowly improving in the role of lone striker, even though it is a position he has only played rarely in the past.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, that is a bit counter-intuitive. Although, you have to bear in mind that the game against Spurs was a lot more evenly matched, so we had less of the ball.

I don't think he was awful against Blackburn, as it happens, but the big difference between the two games for me was the amount of headers he won against Spurs and the fact he tried to impose himself a bit, physically.

Neither performance was outstanding, for the record, or even very good. He was good enough though, especially against Spurs. He is slowly improving in the role of lone striker, even though it is a position he has only played rarely in the past.
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I disagree about his performance against Blackburn, it WAS awful. And his attitude was appalling in that game.

However, that's gone and we really need him to contribute to wins in the next two games. That's all I care about. Same goes for all the other players.

Berbatov played ok against Spurs though!
 
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