Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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devilish said:
I've said that

The flick would have probably lead to nowhere if Spurs defender didn't flattened Evra down.

And you said that its not true.

I just asked how many assists and goals had been made by Evra since you were certain that something would have happened out from that flick.

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BTW you did rated ALL starts back in 2009. So what had changed since then?

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Thank God that you're a traditionalist that prefer strikers to be goal-scorers. No wonder why you're 100% behind Berba. ;)
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I know English isn't your first language but that's no excuse for implying that we would have had to be certain to score in order for you to not be talking out your arse when you said we "probably" wouldn't score from such a promising situation.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I know English isn't your first language but that's no excuse for implying that we would have had to be certain to score in order for you to not be talking out your arse when you said we "probably" wouldn't score from such a promising situation.
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I said that considering the player (Evra), the position he was in and the opponents defense, then there was a big probability that we wouldn't have scored. We were in fact lucky that Spurs defender had flattened Evra down.
What's wrong with that?

BTW rest assured that no one is forcing you to comment on the rest of the post! ;)
 
devilish said:
I said that considering the player (Evra), the position he was in and the opponents defense, then there was a big probability that we wouldn't have scored. We were in fact lucky that Spurs defender had flattened Evra down.
What's wrong with that?

BTW rest assured that no one is forcing you to comment on the rest of the post! ;)
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feck me, you're hard work. If you insist on bringing last season's debate into this one, you will remember that I insisted on league goals being the most important statistic throughout the whole stupid Tevez v Berbatov nonsense.

I'm being entirely consistent in focussing on them again this season.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
feck me, you're hard work. If you insist on bringing last season's debate into this one, you will remember that I insisted on league goals being the most important throughout the whole stupid Tevez v Berbatov nonsense.

I'm being entirely consistent in focussing on them again this season.
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Yet you didn't shy away to name ALL starts at that time (During that year Berba was prolific in the CL and hopeless in the EPL) and not just the EPL ones.

BTW do you still prefer strikers to be goal-scorers? ;)
 
devilish said:
Yet you didn't shy away to name ALL starts at that time (During that year Berba was prolific in the CL and hopeless in the EPL) and not just the EPL ones.

BTW do you still prefer strikers to be goal-scorers? ;)
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Yes. Obviously.

Here's a stat for you anyway, gimpoid. Berbatov has started one CL game this season. Feel free to include that in the figures discussed above.
 
Berbatov was getting good reviews for his performance in the press yesterday. He did what many have been asking for - provided a focal point and occupied their centre halves. He acted as a pivot for a midfielders/wingers to play off. He was also clearly trying - just not getting the rub of the green in front of goal. I'm sure that things will end very well for him this season.
 
Boss said:
Sir Alex rated his performance so I guess we're stuck with him.
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MOTD and Sky both highlighted the positive nature of his performance as well. As Pogue said, many fans (sadly) have pre conceived agendas on Berbatov now which prevent them from giving a balanced appraisal of the man's performance. Yesterday, he did a job that is not natural to him and he did it fairly well.

It's sad that people refuse to embrace the concept of supporting a United player. Not once has he spoken out of turn, or bitched and moaned. He turned down City's money to come here originally as well. This is a clearly a talented player with a lack of confidence - what he needs is backing.

Some really spoiled fans on these forums.
 
Feed Me said:
MOTD and Sky both highlighted the positive nature of his performance as well. As Pogue said, many fans (sadly) have pre conceived agendas on Berbatov now which prevent them from giving a balanced appraisal of the man's performance. Yesterday, he did a job that is not natural to him and he did it fairly well.

It's sad that people refuse to embrace the concept of supporting a United player. Not once has he spoken out of turn, or bitched and moaned. He turned down City's money to come here originally as well. This is a clearly a talented player with a lack of confidence - what he needs is backing.

Some really spoiled fans on these forums.
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Neither did Richardson or 'evil head' Nani but they got dogs abuse. I mean great for the man. It's not hard to turn down City's money when what he's getting at United isn't exactly small potatos! He's one of our highest paid players before even kicking a football. I thought he wanted to go Barcelona originally anyway.

Like I said, I'm not convinced by Berbatov, and I don't like the strolling thing he does in games, Nani doesn't seem too impressed by his style of play either but if Sir Alex wants him then that's all that matters. It looks like he has come up in he manager's regard, seeming Sir Alex tried to buy Benzema only after one season. He did a good job yesterday, when the pressure was on, congrats to him.
 
I know posters always say stuff like "I'm a United supporter, of course I want our players to be successes" in their own defence, but sometimes I still sit with the feeling that many many on here and other places want some players to fail.
 
Feed Me said:
MOTD and Sky both highlighted the positive nature of his performance as well.
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MOTD and Sky have been highlighting the problems in his performances in recent weeks, did you agree with them then?
 
Ixion said:
MOTD and Sky have been highlighting the problems in his performances in recent weeks, did you agree with them then?
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Did you agree with them yesterday?

Or are guilty of being just as selective as you accuse others of being?

I don't think anyone on here thought Berbatov had a good game against Blackburn and I don't think anyone in our entire team excelled against Chelsea. Why are you accusing people of opinions they never actually expressed?
 
Boss said:
Neither did Richardson or 'evil head' Nani but they got dogs abuse. I mean great for the man. It's not hard to turn down City's money when what he's getting at United isn't exactly small potatos! He's one of our highest paid players before even kicking a football. I thought he wanted to go Barcelona originally anyway.

Like I said, I'm not convinced by Berbatov, and I don't like the strolling thing he does in games, Nani doesn't seem too impressed by his style of play either but if Sir Alex wants him then that's all that matters. It looks like he has come up in he manager's regard, seeming Sir Alex tried to buy Benzema only after one season. He did a good job yesterday, when the pressure was on, congrats to him.
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:lol:

The low levels some of you lot stoop to sometimes is ridiculous.
 
Berbatov had a very good game yesterday. He did pretty much everything except for score that people slate him for but, even when that happens, it becomes a reach for a reason to nitpick and give him his due.

Things like well the backheel to Evra wouldnt' have is beyond retarded. Are you going to say Evra shouldn't bother making runs anyway because it's probably not going to result in him scoring or setting up goal? Should we just stop giving the ball to Evra because he probably whatever he does will probably not result in a goal? The play would have lead to opening up the Spurs defense. Put your hands up and say, great play by him.

Right after Nani's goal, there was a ball that went back to Gomez and he could have given up on it, it certainly looked like Gomez was going to clear it but, Berbatov persisted and almost lead to Gomez into a mistake. Had that been some's favorite Teveth doing it ... they'd be praising it to no end but, because it was Berbatov, it becomes well he should be doing it anyway.

Fair enough other performances may not have been good enough but, yesterday in game that mattered, he produced the goods in the lone striker role. Yet another thing people that ask of him but, am sure now it will be well he didn't do it against a real big team.

I mentioned the Nani/Berbatov having some sort of issue with one another but, the incident I was thinking of may have been Nani having a go at the ref because he thought it should be a corner. At first it looked like it was aimed at Berbatov but, the ref was right there and Nani was appealing for the corner and he didn't get it.

Just hope that he isn't injured as well because rate him or not - we need him for the last 2 games.
 
Boss said:
Like I said, I'm not convinced by Berbatov, and I don't like the strolling thing he does in games, Nani doesn't seem too impressed by his style of play either but if Sir Alex wants him then that's all that matters. It looks like he has come up in he manager's regard, seeming Sir Alex tried to buy Benzema only after one season. He did a good job yesterday, when the pressure was on, congrats to him.
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The irony of Nani lambasting Berbatov for an over elaborate flick, when a simple pass would have sufficed, was not lost on me.
 
Shimo said:
Berbatov had a very good game yesterday. He did pretty much everything except for score that people slate him for but, even when that happens, it becomes a reach for a reason to nitpick and give him his due.

Things like well the backheel to Evra wouldnt' have is beyond retarded. Are you going to say Evra shouldn't bother making runs anyway because it's probably not going to result in him scoring or setting up goal? Should we just stop giving the ball to Evra because he probably whatever he does will probably not result in a goal? The play would have lead to opening up the Spurs defense. Put your hands up and say, great play by him.

Right after Nani's goal, there was a ball that went back to Gomez and he could have given up on it, it certainly looked like Gomez was going to clear it but, Berbatov persisted and almost lead to Gomez into a mistake. Had that been some's favorite Teveth doing it ... they'd be praising it to no end but, because it was Berbatov, it becomes well he should be doing it anyway.

Fair enough other performances may not have been good enough but, yesterday in game that mattered, he produced the goods in the lone striker role. Yet another thing people that ask of him but, am sure now it will be well he didn't do it against a real big team.

I mentioned the Nani/Berbatov having some sort of issue with one another but, the incident I was thinking of may have been Nani having a go at the ref because he thought it should be a corner. At first it looked like it was aimed at Berbatov but, the ref was right there and Nani was appealing for the corner and he didn't get it.

Just hope that he isn't injured as well because rate him or not - we need him for the last 2 games.
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I was thinking the same.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yes. Obviously.

Here's a stat for you anyway, gimpoid. Berbatov has started one CL game this season. Feel free to include that in the figures discussed above.
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He also started in the FA cup and the league cup. Guess what, no goals. 27 starts and 12 goals and you defend him despite believing that a striker should be judged on goals.
 
Berbatov played well yesterday. If certain posters are so full of hate for the guy that they can't see that then God help them to find new teams to "support".
 
sunderland away is going to be an extremely tight affair and if rooney is unfit, this will be the bulgarian's biggest match of the season. He needs to show that he can grab goals out of half chances like every other striker with his pricetag can.

however i'm betting more of blackburn away in terms of performance by the bulgarian.
 
charleysurf said:
Berbatov played well yesterday. If certain posters are so full of hate for the guy that they can't see that then God help them to find new teams to "support".
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Berba>United?

Since when can't we we judge some of our players performances? Funny how I never saw such lines about Nani when he would get destroyed on here amongst other players.

Typical fanboi nonsense
 
Boss said:
Berba>United?

Since when we judge some of our players performances? Funny how I never saw such lines about Nani when he would get destroyed on here among other players.
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If your views on football are so messed up that you can't see that Berbatov played well yesterday, then what use are you to United?
 
charleysurf said:
If your views on football are so messed up that you can't see that Berbatov played well yesterday, then what use are you to United?
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When did I say he didn't play well Cabron? This is a forum, where players are going to be discussed, if you don't like it then feck off. I don't see posters like you pulling these lines when other players get judged. What use am I to United? What a retarded poster you are questioning my allegiance to United over bleeding Berbatov.

Well I never
 
I've slated him and even suggested he should be moved on. . .but there's no need to slate a player after a decent game. He tried and that's all we can ask for. And yes it's all about opinions but they shouldn't be so fecking blinkered and in some cases totally spasticated ie Devilish. We've got posters claiming Nani's world class in another thread. . . there's absolutely no middle ground on this forum.
 
Boss said:
When did I say he didn't play well Cabron? This is a forum, where players are going to be discussed, if you don't like it then feck off. I don't see posters like you pulling these lines when other players get judged. What use am I to United? What a retarded poster you are questioning my allegiance to United over bleeding Berbatov.

Well I never
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Apologies, I meant "you" as in "you (plural)". Really referring to the likes of devilish who won't admit that Berbatov played well yesterday because they're so stuck to the narrative the press paints that Berbatov is completely useless. It's the same narrative the press paints that Nani is a show pony and Rio is dozey. I get dissapointed when United fans are so quick to go along with what the pundits say instead of giving the benefit of the doubt to a United player. When Berbatov has played badly then he deserves the stick. When a United fan is so full of hate for a United player that he refuses to see that that player has played well then I really don't know why he's bothering to support the team.
 
devilish said:
It was a tough call. Spurs defense was solid up till that point and we were not incisive. The penalty was a blessing in disguise and a big mistake from Spurs part.
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You make it sound like Assou-Ekotto just had a nightmare and made a completely unforced error to give away the penalty. Fact is, Berbatov took the ball from deep on the left wing, pulling Assou-Ekotto from right back into a more central position - you can then clearly see Berbatov look back over to the left wing to see if anyone's available, he knows he's made that space with his run, and he finds Evra out there with a well executed backheel. What do you know, Assou-Ekotto makes a rash challenge as he desperately tries to get back into position to defend Evra - penalty. Like you say, we weren't incisive, but pressuring defenders into making mistakes is what breaks games like that, and it was Berbatov's ingenuity that lead to us opening the scoring after 50-odd minutes of few clear chances. How you describe that as just "a big mistake from spurs" is beyond me.

Like you said, Spurs were solid, it took something a little clever to create a weakness. Berbatov deserves a little credit for creating that out of pretty much nothing for us.


And for anyone saying it's over the top to praise him for his workrate yesterday; I think you're probably just getting the sentiments a little wrong. It's been one of the biggest criticisms he's had since day one, that he doesn't put in enough effort. I don't think anyone's saying his workrate was superhuman yesterday, but his performance does contradict the belief that he never puts in enough effort, and I believe that's the point that's being made.

There never seems to be a shortage of people trying to bring a level of "objectivity" to the debate by telling anyone who brings up positives in Berbatov's game that they're getting ahead of themselves, or bigging his efforts up out of all proportion. These same posters are conspicuous by their absence when he gets hysterically blamed for our failings in nearly every second thread on this board. It's even stranger when some of these same posters get pretty worked up over people criticising and not giving due praise to some of our more established or more favoured players. Which side of right are you on, exactly?
 
I'm not his biggest fan but Berba had a pretty good game yesterday, so fair play to him.

In my mind he has been improving with his effort and work rate for a few games now, so he could be growing on me.
 
MrK said:
You make it sound like Assou-Ekotto just had a nightmare and made a completely unforced error to give away the penalty. Fact is, Berbatov took the ball from deep on the left wing, pulling Assou-Ekotto from right back into a more central position - you can then clearly see Berbatov look back over to the left wing to see if anyone's available, he knows he's made that space with his run, and he finds Evra out there with a well executed backheel. What do you know, Assou-Ekotto makes a rash challenge as he desperately tries to get back into position to defend Evra - penalty. Like you say, we weren't incisive, but pressuring defenders into making mistakes is what breaks games like that, and it was Berbatov's ingenuity that lead to us opening the scoring after 50-odd minutes of few clear chances. How you describe that as just "a big mistake from spurs" is beyond me.

Like you said, Spurs were solid, it took something a little clever to create a weakness. Berbatov deserves a little credit for creating that out of pretty much nothing for us.
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Good post!
 
Berbatov's short run and back heel to Evra (who drew to tackle and actually 'won' the penalty) was obviously a positive, but not the game defining contribution everyone here is making out.

He's got to the point where simply by doing the absolute minimum that he should be doing becomes a 'good game'.

I understand he now gets molly coddled by those who want to even out the stick he's taken. But ultimately, he's under pressure for a reason, and that should be acknowledged!
 
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