Di Marzio: Barca make bid for Pogba

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Why is it that City and PSG are able to tell their wantaways to shut up and do their job, but everyone else seemingly can't follow through on that? United's wage to turnover is less than 50%. If he refuses to train he doesn't get paid. 3+1 years left on his deal. Seems to me like United can play harder ball than Pogba on this. They should
 
StillPlayingFooty said:
Pogba is essentially United's show pony right now. Strong WC topped with being a champion. In a sense he is the biggest pulling power. Mourinho veritably isn't anymore. His antics and brand of football have burned that bridge. Pobga must be wondering if the upcoming season will be Mou moaning and taking digs at him and add to that tumescent football. No fun on or off the pitch.

At WC you could see he was hell bent on playing for his team. Chasing and running up and down constantly. Doing the dirty work. So far cry from the Paul who strolled around quite a few matches last season in mid.

That is the player United wants to show up in a couple of days. But has Pobga been on record saying things since WC will be giving his all the coming season, rallying troops to cause, determined to show what kind of player he is? He has been completely silent. At the moment there is no clue which Paul plays on Friday.


I would be very concerned about the signs and vibe concerning Pobga if I where a United fan. If he leaves what else United has to offer for other prospects? Come and play with Fellaini and Herrera? There are only wages to entice them then.
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I think a clue to his motivation (or lack of) is the fact that he's taken maximum holiday whereas other players have voluntarily returned early. Reports today suggest that Kane has secretly been back in training for a couple of weeks, which wouldn't surprise me, nor would him playing this weekend Pogba, on the other hand...
 
Fredo said:
It's all about money to make him the highest paid player in the club.

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-united-player-salaries/

He's currently on 290K/week compared to Alexis' 350k. I recall how rumours circulated when Sanchez arrived from the Pogcamp that Pogba was unhappy that Alexis is indeed the highest paid player in the club.

The guy won the world cup, perfect to negotiate a bumper deal, he has an agent that would do everything to get the money, him to Barca is all smoke to get him a better deal at United.
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Probably so.

I thought Pogba was on less than that. Makes sense then.

If he buckles down, and has a good season, I imagine the club will give him the raise he(and Raiola) desire.
 
giorno said:
Why is it that City and PSG are able to tell their wantaways to shut up and do their job, but everyone else seemingly can't follow through on that? United's wage to turnover is less than 50%. If he refuses to train he doesn't get paid. 3+1 years left on his deal. Seems to me like United can play harder ball than Pogba on this. They should
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Lot of tables at City...
 
Anyone countenancing the sale of Pogba is crazy. One of the best three or four players in the world in his position and possibly the only world class player we could attract over the last four to five years. Nobody has looked a world beater playing in this side for the last two seasons, so it is not as if the individual is at fault rather than the team.

We should be convincing him he’s the future of this side, instilling him with belief by making him captain, and looking beyond the likely length of Mourinho’s tenure. If you want the best players you have to seriously fight for them and then redouble your efforts to make them want to stay. This ain’t the late 80s or 90s anymore where a critical mass of the best British players will have you competing. Most of the players on our books have a wider perspective where United is not necessarily #1.

Besides, surely this summer has shown that we still have serious difficulty in acquiring top players. What’s Pogba’s sale going to do? Make our balance sheet look even more healthy and give us even more insight into the bizarre selection that is McTominay?
 
We cant afford to let him leave, play toughball and insist he's not for sale. he has 4 years left on his contract, tell him that if he continues his good form into the season a new contract will be in the offing. He deserves to be our highest paid player to be fair.
 
giorno said:
Why is it that City and PSG are able to tell their wantaways to shut up and do their job, but everyone else seemingly can't follow through on that? United's wage to turnover is less than 50%. If he refuses to train he doesn't get paid. 3+1 years left on his deal. Seems to me like United can play harder ball than Pogba on this. They should
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City and PSG have the option of putting a wantaway player in the reserves and write off the money, those not owned by countries/wealth similar to that won't have the option. Unfortunately.
 
He needs to show consistency over the Next season, to deserve a new contract. It’s not like he is starving on his current one, and i don’t think he has done enough to deserve a new one.
 
Fredo said:
It's all about money to make him the highest paid player in the club.

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-united-player-salaries/

He's currently on 290K/week compared to Alexis' 350k. I recall how rumours circulated when Sanchez arrived from the Pogcamp that Pogba was unhappy that Alexis is indeed the highest paid player in the club.

The guy won the world cup, perfect to negotiate a bumper deal, he has an agent that would do everything to get the money, him to Barca is all smoke to get him a better deal at United.
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I agree.
 
Massive Spanner said:
He has four years though, and he hasn't exactly set the world alight with us. Ronaldo used to do this with us every summer and we usually caved because his improved his performances season on season. I don't see why we'd offer him a new contract now. Besides, isn't he already our next highest paid player after Sanchez?
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I didn't think he was on that much in comparison to what you'd expect, or what we were paying the likes of Rooney and Zlatan.

It's a fair point that he hasn't proven himself in that bracket in a united shirt, but he does have status/marketing power which is probably above any of our other players, and just came off winning the world cup and being one of his team's standout players. So his agent/he will probably see it differently.

We signed him two years ago and generally that's when the fuss starts with players/agents if there's no new contract on the table.
 
Of course, we can't let him go at this stage given the ridiculous decision over the transfer window (both timing it differently to the rest of europe and bringing it in in a world cup year) but he has not struck me as world-class yet and if we were to get a top replacement I wouldn't be that sad to see him go. My thoughts are that fergie would have seen him as a bit like Ince and that "the guv'nor" nonsense and would either not have bought him back or would let him go
 
Fredo said:
It's all about money to make him the highest paid player in the club.

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-united-player-salaries/

He's currently on 290K/week compared to Alexis' 350k. I recall how rumours circulated when Sanchez arrived from the Pogcamp that Pogba was unhappy that Alexis is indeed the highest paid player in the club.

The guy won the world cup, perfect to negotiate a bumper deal, he has an agent that would do everything to get the money, him to Barca is all smoke to get him a better deal at United.
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Pretty much what crossed my mind today. The timing is not coincidental either, Raiola, Pogba, Barca, everybody knows it's too late to sell him and that we wouldn't do it because we wouldn't have gotten any replacement in place, plus people would've known that we've got Pogba cash to splash, so that would increase another $% of the players' price tags. It's basically stirring shit to get a new deal, doubt Pogba wants to leave, doubt he cares much as long as he's paid.
 
Too late for us to get a replacement. He'll be off next summer for sure and feck him out the door as soon as the window opens.

Let's just hope if he has any respect for this club he'll do like De Gea and keep his head down play and down tools.
 
giorno said:
Why is it that City and PSG are able to tell their wantaways to shut up and do their job, but everyone else seemingly can't follow through on that? United's wage to turnover is less than 50%. If he refuses to train he doesn't get paid. 3+1 years left on his deal. Seems to me like United can play harder ball than Pogba on this. They should
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IIRC, in PSG's contracts there are image clauses where players get bonuses if they promote positively the club(during social events organized by QSI/QTA and their partners) but there are also fines.
 
Make It 50m plus Coutinho and Dembele then we may think about it, rather then two players they don’t want then use the money for Alderweireld then losing Pogba may not look so bad
 
noodlehair said:
I didn't think he was on that much in comparison to what you'd expect, or what we were paying the likes of Rooney and Zlatan.

It's a fair point that he hasn't proven himself in that bracket in a united shirt, but he does have status/marketing power which is probably above any of our other players, and just came off winning the world cup and being one of his team's standout players. So his agent/he will probably see it differently.

We signed him two years ago and generally that's when the fuss starts with players/agents if there's no new contract on the table.
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Don't disagree with much there.

Personally I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a new contract anyway, especially with the club's weird policy of late of waiting until our players have 18, sometimes 12 months left on their contracts before opening any sort of talks, even our best players, which is a shocking way to operate in an inflated market where the best way for players to force their way out of clubs is to let their contracts run down.
 
There's no danger of Pogba being sold 1 day before the window shuts whether he likes it or not; if he's here this time next year is another matter. The higher ups may now be planning for life after Pogba and Mourinho. I know what I want see happen should that scenario play out.
 
Freak said:
It’s safe to say he’s not going anywhere this window because of the time that’s left. Good thing I’ve been busy with work and not following much of the transfer news.

I would say once he’s back in training you’ll see many pictures of him and Mourinho together without any tension. That being said, his agent is a real scum, even Sir Alex hates him.
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His agent works for Pogba not the other way round.

Zlatan loves him. In fact most of his clients love him.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Don't disagree with much there.

Personally I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a new contract anyway, especially with the club's weird policy of late of waiting until our players have 18, sometimes 12 months left on their contracts before opening any sort of talks, even our best players, which is a shocking way to operate in an inflated market where the best way for players to force their way out of clubs is to let their contracts run down.
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Yep. I do think the main worry here is that United/Woodward seem to be on a different planet to everyone else when it comes to transfer strategy, contracts and the like. When it's a player of this stature you either decide you want to keep and talk to the agent from the off, or you cash in...if you're not sure which is where I would stand with Pogba, then surely you do the former as it doesn't then rule out being able to do the later if things don't work out.

With us you wouldn't be surprised if we end up not really doing anything and the situation just rumbles on and effects Pogba on the pitch.
 
I wonder if this leak came directly from our club to save face. They will say, ok our transfer market campaign sucked, we only ended up buying the Brazilian Fletcher from some fourth rated league no one knew that even existed, the Portuguese answer to Fosu-Mensah and the new Tony Coton but hey.....we resisted a bid from Barcelona for Pogba.

These sort of tricks played magnificently during the end of AC Milan's Berlusconi era when it was pretty evident that the owner was losing interest in the club. They would have a horrible transfer campaign only to come out and say that they will retain some important player of theirs despite strong interest from X or Y club.

Who can forget this historical interview at the Biscardi show?

 
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K2K said:
His agent works for Pogba not the other way round.

Zlatan loves him. In fact most of his clients love him.
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Understandable. He gets them seriously paid!

It seems like very few of his clients actually renew their contracts wherever they are. IIRC Zlatan never renewed at any club, except for United when he re-signed after his deal expired.

Pogba was entering his final year at Juve before he signed for us.

I don't think Mkhi renewed anywhere either.

Donnarumma renewed at Milan, but didn't they somehow manage to convince Milan to sign his older brother as part of the deal, as well as the former being one of the highest paid players at the club at just 18 at the time?

He's definitely good at what he does. There's money to be made with signing on at new clubs every 3 or 4 years, and I'm sure Raiola knows that and lets his clients know that. If that's what they want from him, then they're bound to love him. IMO it's not a positive from a football perspective.
 
NoLogo said:
Sometimes doesn't look that way with Raiola clients.
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Matuidi ditched his agent Bernès who is the big french agent because he saw the relationship that Raiola had with Maxwell and Zlatan, Verratti did the same. As a player you would probably love him but as a fan or a club he is probably the worst creature on earth.
 
paulscholes18 said:
Make It 50m plus Coutinho and Dembele then we may think about it, rather then two players they don’t want then use the money for Alderweireld then losing Pogba may not look so bad
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Whilst I would rather keep Pogba, that would make it acceptable. Let's see next summer but a lot will depend how this season develops (also with Jose) and if we change the manager next summer
 
giorno said:
Why is it that City and PSG are able to tell their wantaways to shut up and do their job, but everyone else seemingly can't follow through on that? United's wage to turnover is less than 50%. If he refuses to train he doesn't get paid. 3+1 years left on his deal. Seems to me like United can play harder ball than Pogba on this. They should
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Have you seen how they treat dissidents in the UAE and Qatar?
 
So I'm not going to pretend I really know what's going on here, but I will say that following this, I don't want United to sign another of Mino Riola's players. The man is a snake.
 
Ballers are like us ordinary people, only except more in love with themselves and their ego.

If we are in a shitty job the only thing that makes you feel better is getting paid more. Especially if your co-worker who you see not as good as you gets more at the moment. That's essentially Pobga, Alexis situation right there. Especially if you are in a situation like that you won't be unemployed for long. And like Pobga you are just too important to be dropped you don't just care that much to put your extra effort in it.

And Mourinho has made sure United won't win any workplace of the year awards. It all really comes down to Mourinho. Mourinho of late oozes whining, irritating assholeness. Like your hateful middle manager who talks shit about your bosses and your co-workers and gets you wondering what he says about you behind your back. He has read Pobga all wrong how to handle him. Some need harsh words and some ego stroking to get their best efforts. If you need to have a hard talk then have it in private instead telling journos that he needs to bring that form to United and maybe the format of WC suits him and whatnot. You don't cruxify publicly your artistic and creative workers. You coax, guide, suck up and compliment and suggest. Pobga clearly needs to feel the love from all like Ronnie (well said some poster I forgot). Money isn't ultimately the issue here IMO. Making him feel important and enjoying coming to work does.

Currently United feels like errors are punished, initiative is suffocated, game plan must be followed to the letter. Following the game plan is a necessity but if it is a shitty, unenjoyable plan dubious of succeeding then you go through the motion and do the bare mimimum. Go to the man with a better plan.
 
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I personally don't think Pogba has done enough to warrant a new contract (if that is what he wants), hopefully he can set that right in the upcoming season but we simply cannot afford to let him go.
 
If Raiola still has Lukaku as his client, I bet He'll try to unsettle Lukaku as well. "Look, even your close friend Pogba would love to leave, Why should you stay?". Pogba needs to get rid of him, just as Lukaku did.
 
.Rossi said:
Bar his two goals against City, what has he actually done for us except cause us problems?

Genuine question.
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Nothing, just contributed to 16 league goals in around 2100 mins or so.
 
tenpoless said:
If Raiola still has Lukaku as his client, I bet He'll try to unsettle Lukaku as well. "Look, even your close friend Pogba would love to leave, Why should you stay?". Pogba needs to get rid of him, just as Lukaku did.
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Isn't Raiola still his agent in regards to football matters, but RocNation take care of all promo/image things?
 
Funny that english journalists had no whiff of these "stories" until a hashed di marzio report but they spent months bitching about di marzio next season. I'm not proclaiming di marzio up, but it shows deep down his name has credence and lit the fire for these clueless journalists to run with. I don't believe any of this.
 
.Rossi said:
Bargain
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Well you asked for what did he do apart form 2 goals he scored against City.

If you can't think of anything that Pogba did apart from that then you have to watch more carefully.
 
So he hasn't made wage demands according to BBC or Sky Sports. The agenda to get Pogba and Mourinho out of United is one of the most vitriolic campaigns I've ever seen in the media. There are literally daily attempts to force one or both out. I don't know how many of you listen to talksport but literally 50% of their coverage is negative stuff about Jose/Pogba.

I'm not denying Raiola has been up to his usual tricks and probably has sounded out suitors but these stories are getting incredibly tiresome it makes you not want to listen or read anything until the season starts.
 
roonster09 said:
Well you asked for what did he do apart form 2 goals he scored against City.

If you can't think of anything that Pogba did apart from that then you have to watch more carefully.
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I have watched carefully...Very carefully.

My point is, he has caused more hassle than good, during both his stints here. I could go on with comparisons to players who earn less and who cost less and bring in a shit load of statistics etc to back it up...However, I'm not going down that road.

I like the player Paul Pogba but, feck me...
 
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