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Because this will be the 3rd time that Spurs have finished in the top 4 in recent seasons, despite there being at least 5 other Prem clubs with significantly larger incomes (two of them sugar-daddy funded), all whilst enabling the club to finance both our new training complex and ongoing construction of our new stadium complex, and all whilst having the lowest net spend in the entire Prem over the last 5 years: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

The Bale money included the purchase of Eriksen, Lamela and Chadli, all of whom have done well for the club, so if that's a failure I like to know what success looks like.

Sorry but the Bale money was wasted. Eriksen was a good buy, Lamela not worth the money you paid, Chadli is a bench player (abliet a cheap one), and others are all sold for not being good enough.
 
Sorry but the Bale money was wasted. Eriksen was a good buy, Lamela not worth the money you paid, Chadli is a bench player (abliet a cheap one), and others are all sold for not being good enough.

Lamela has developed into being a regular in our best XI - he is part of what makes the attacking three behind Kane so formidable. How does that make him not worth the money paid?
 
Levy is no fool, a year ago Spurs posted world record profits for any football club, 12 months later he's posted profits again and we are still challenging.

The club has already invested £150m in the stadium project and continues to move forward. The training centre will now see a 6* hotel built on site and will be regularly used by England and top international clubs as well as by ourselves before and after games, especially away European ties. On a visit K H Rummennigge said he was blown away by the facilities and projects at Spurs and that Bayern would need to seriously look at their own plans.

Spurs arguably have the best localised support of all of the London clubs, Arsenal could contest this but Nevertheless it's quite conceivable that within 5 years Spurs could have the biggest financial turnover in London, which is one of the most aspirational cities in the world.

I'm not saying we will do it but we definitely have a chance to impose ourselves as the biggest club in London and after Utd maybe the biggest club in the country.
 
Lamela has developed into being a regular in our best XI - he is part of what makes the attacking three behind Kane so formidable. How does that make him not worth the money paid?

Could we get £25m for Lamela now? Looking at what other players have gone for I would say definitely. Would we want to sell him? Absolutely not, he's the leader of our press and is about to sign a new contract.
 
Say what?

Actually you might be right and I might be wrong. I know Utd have had operational profits of over £100m but I thought that was before player trading, I believe Spurs profit was after all factors including player trading was taken into account. In other words your spending in the market against our net transfer income being the difference. As I say I may be wrong though.
 
We're currently contending for the league title and will be playing in the CL next season. We have one of the best young managers around and one of the most astute club chairmen (Levy) in the business. We have a talented, well-balanced squad whose young average age means they'll likely only get better ... a squad containing several players who will no doubt receive a substantial pay rise this summer, a squad with tremendous team spirit and whose stars will, I'm sure, all be there come the start of next season.

We also have a recently built, fantastic training complex - with facilities that are so good (and now being further extended) it's where the England squad now choose to train. Within 2 years we'll be in the global top 10 for income (currently 12th). In a little more than 2 years we'll have 61k capacity, state-of-the art new stadium opening for business - business that will include NFL games and many other income-generating entertainments events.

In short, Spurs are not some minor outfit, but rather a club where what is achievable is rapidly expanding in scope.

Man, why no bullet points?
 
We're currently contending for the league title and will be playing in the CL next season. We have one of the best young managers around and one of the most astute club chairmen (Levy) in the business. We have a talented, well-balanced squad whose young average age means they'll likely only get better ... a squad containing several players who will no doubt receive a substantial pay rise this summer, a squad with tremendous team spirit and whose stars will, I'm sure, all be there come the start of next season.

We also have a recently built, fantastic training complex - with facilities that are so good (and now being further extended) it's where the England squad now choose to train. Within 2 years we'll be in the global top 10 for income (currently 12th). In a little more than 2 years we'll have 61k capacity, state-of-the art new stadium opening for business - business that will include NFL games and many other income-generating entertainments events.

In short, Spurs are not some minor outfit, but rather a club where what is achievable is rapidly expanding in scope.
But...are you a big club to achieve money, fame, ambition all together?
 
I think Alli should stay in that Lampard-like role long-term. He's intelligent and doesn't lack for grit defensively but with a little polish and experience he could be devastating.
 
OK, then compare the assists stats. Or if you don't like that either then compare the Prem appearances stats, Or if you don't any like either of those, then just use your eyes.

The argument that Pogba had shown more potential than Alli by the same age is just total nonsense from start to finish.
What is your definition of potential?
 
But...are you a big club to achieve money, fame, ambition all together?

The clubs ambition is clearly to be the biggest club in London, that in itself should lead to us competing towards the top of the English game and hopefully strongly in Europe.
 
The clubs ambition is clearly to be the biggest club in London, that in itself should lead to us competing towards the top of the English game and hopefully strongly in Europe.
That doesn't really mean anything. You need to do this (repeat this season) over a period of 3-5 seasons to even stand a chance. If you somehow fizzle out next season, it would be back to square one. the stadiums and NFL teams playing in the stadium means nothing.
 
I think Alli should stay in that Lampard-like role long-term. He's intelligent and doesn't lack for grit defensively but with a little polish and experience he could be devastating.

He's already better at the same age as Lampard. Remember him getting pelters from 'Ammers fans for being slow,sluggish and only in the team becuase of his dad. It took the transfer to Chelsea and Mourinho in particular to unlock the goal scoring ability. Alli seems to have that already and he looks quicker
 
Levy is no fool, a year ago Spurs posted world record profits for any football club, 12 months later he's posted profits again and we are still challenging.

The club has already invested £150m in the stadium project and continues to move forward. The training centre will now see a 6* hotel built on site and will be regularly used by England and top international clubs as well as by ourselves before and after games, especially away European ties. On a visit K H Rummennigge said he was blown away by the facilities and projects at Spurs and that Bayern would need to seriously look at their own plans.

Spurs arguably have the best localised support of all of the London clubs, Arsenal could contest this but Nevertheless it's quite conceivable that within 5 years Spurs could have the biggest financial turnover in London, which is one of the most aspirational cities in the world.

I'm not saying we will do it but we definitely have a chance to impose ourselves as the biggest club in London and after Utd maybe the biggest club in the country.

That's a long shot though. It'd take for Arsenal and Chelsea to implode badly for yourself to have the chance to be the biggest in London.
 
That doesn't really mean anything. You need to do this (repeat this season) over a period of 3-5 seasons to even stand a chance. If you somehow fizzle out next season, it would be back to square one. the stadiums and NFL teams playing in the stadium means nothing.

How can being much better positioned to compete financially with your competitors mean nothing?

We've punched above our weight for the last 7 or 8 years, very shortly we are going to put on enough weight to compete on an even keel with at least 3 of the teams who have enjoyed significantly better resources than ourselves.
 
What is your definition of potential?

Go back 4 pages, it's actually in this thread where Glaston has another meltdown of a discussion about potential. In short he thinks that talent and ability are pretty much the same thing and you can improve your talent.
 
Neither were many players who went on to have better careers than Alli will. Sterling had a better and more complete season at 19 at Liverpool than Ronaldo did for us as a teen. Rooney was far better as a teenager than all of them.

I agree with the second line. That both Sterling and Ali are very talented. I wasn't comparing them. I was responding to someone calling Sterling overrated.
okay fair enough, think it's hard to predict player's development but it's safe to say Alli has it all to become one of the best English players in modern era..lets see if he can fulfil his massive potential
 
That's a long shot though. It'd take for Arsenal and Chelsea to implode badly for yourself to have the chance to be the biggest in London.

Why would it?

We arguably have the biggest localised fan base of the 3, all 3 will have the same size stadium, though it's doubtful Chelsea will fill theirs if they aren't winning because the tourists will very quickly start supporting somebody else.

I'd say the future is a lot brigter for Spurs than Chelsea, Spurs are essentially debt free whilst Chelsea's parent company has debt of approximately £1 billion owed to Abramovich who's own business assets have also taken a battering.
 
Minutes played per league goal: Alli = 239. Wilshere = 1,128. That's a 4.7 to 1 ratio in Alli's favour

Minutes played per league assist: Alli = 265.6. Wilshere = 658. That's a 2.5 to 1 ratio in Alli's favour.

So far Alli has a league goal or a league assist once every 126 minutes (1.4 games).
 
How can being much better positioned to compete financially with your competitors mean nothing?

We've punched above our weight for the last 7 or 8 years, very shortly we are going to put on enough weight to compete on an even keel with at least 3 of the teams who have enjoyed significantly better resources than ourselves.
Eh? Read what I wrote. I said you will have to repeat your performances over a period of 3-5 years consistently to be taken seriously. You can have as much money as you want, but till the time the performances aren't there, nothing else matters. Look at City, it's only after 5 years that they have been able to reach a semi, and compete properly/seriously in the CL. Same goes for PSG.
 
Eh? Read what I wrote. I said you will have to repeat your performances over a period of 3-5 years consistently to be taken seriously. You can have as much money as you want, but till the time the performances aren't there, nothing else matters. Look at City, it's only after 5 years that they have been able to reach a semi, and compete properly/seriously in the CL. Same goes for PSG.

Agree that we need to compete consistently, easier said than done of course.
 
Minutes played per league goal: Alli = 239. Wilshere = 1,128. That's a 4.7 to 1 ratio in Alli's favour

Minutes played per league assist: Alli = 265.6. Wilshere = 658. That's a 2.5 to 1 ratio in Alli's favour.

So far Alli has a league goal or a league assist once every 126 minutes (1.4 games).
Is there a reason for this?
 
Why would it?

We arguably have the biggest localised fan base of the 3, all 3 will have the same size stadium, though it's doubtful Chelsea will fill theirs if they aren't winning because the tourists will very quickly start supporting somebody else.

I'd say the future is a lot brigter for Spurs than Chelsea, Spurs are essentially debt free whilst Chelsea's parent company has debt of approximately £1 billion owed to Abramovich who's own business assets have also taken a battering.
No idea how we can prove this, but I very much struggle to believe that. Definitely more than Chelsea, but I'd be amazed if there's more Spurs than Arsenal fans in London.
 
No idea how we can prove this, but I very much struggle to believe that. Definitely more than Chelsea, but I'd be amazed if there's more Spurs than Arsenal fans in London.

I did say arguably, it's definitely between Spurs and Arsenal. Inside London itself it's probably Arsenal but get up into Herts and Essex and it's Likely Spurs.

Any which way neither club is short of support, I'm sure you're numbers are similar but we have over 25000 ST holders with more than 50000 officially on the waiting list.
 
I did say arguably, it's definitely between Spurs and Arsenal. Inside London itself it's probably Arsenal but get up into Herts and Essex and it's Likely Spurs.

Any which way neither club is short of support, I'm sure you're numbers are similar but we have over 25000 ST holders with more than 50000 officially on the waiting list.
No idea how true that first paragraph is, I guess we're both going on instinct. And yeah - I'm 52,616 on the Arsenal season ticket list. :lol:

Only been on it for two years though. But I've been on the 'silver member' waiting list since 2007, and still haven't gotten that. But the club are pretty vague on how that one works, think I got hurt by moving out of London for a few years.
 
No idea how true that first paragraph is, I guess we're both going on instinct. And yeah - I'm 55,000 on the Arsenal season ticket list. :lol:

Only been on it for two years though. But I've been on the 'silver member' waiting list since 2007, and still haven't gotten that. But the club are pretty vague on how that one works, think I got hurt by moving out of London for a few years.

Our waiting lists have gone all haywire as well because to get planning permission we have to make 5000 ST's a priority to the residents of Harringay plus 5000 tickets for every match. What a ridiculous clause when some people (like yourself) have been on the waiting list for circa 10 years.
 
Is there a reason for this?

Yes
What's the point of such a needlessly defensive and ambiguous answer?

You keep mentioning potential but giving no definition of what you perceive potential to be.

*Sigh* Potential is pretty obviously the highest ceiling which a player is capable of reaching - based on various factors such as age, talent, dedication to hard work and improvement and other factors.
 
Yes


*Sigh* Potential is pretty obviously the highest ceiling which a player is capable of reaching - based on various factors such as age, talent, dedication to hard work and improvement and other factors.
Right. So you think Delli Ali is displaying the same level of talent, specifically, as Pogba did at the same age?
 
Right. So you think Delli Ali is displaying the same level of talent, specifically, as Pogba did at the same age?

I think Alli is very obviously showing at least as much potential as did Pogba at the same age.
 
Why compare him with Pogba at all? they are very different players who contribute different qualities to the team. Saying Alli has more goals and assists really does nothing to prove any point. Pogba plays on the left hand side of a midfield 3 while Alli is best as a second striker ala Muller.