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m1y2 said:
Pogba was nowhere near Alli at the same age. STerling's brilliant talent but he's different player to Alli, comparing the two's potential make no sense, both are top prospects..
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Neither were many players who went on to have better careers than Alli will. Sterling had a better and more complete season at 19 at Liverpool than Ronaldo did for us as a teen. Rooney was far better as a teenager than all of them.

I agree with the second line. That both Sterling and Ali are very talented. I wasn't comparing them. I was responding to someone calling Sterling overrated.
 
He plays like I used to on the playground at school. Except he's doing it against PL footballers. Making it look easy. Spurs won't be able to hold on for him for more than 5 years.
 
Sarni said:
Prem appearance stats:lol:

Charlie Adam is much better than Iniesta. You don't believe me? Compare their PL appearance stats.
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A typically irrelevant post from you. The point here is that Alli is a regular in the starting XI of a top Prem team - which is something else (besides the goals and assists tally) that Pogba had not achieved by the same age, and which further gives the lie to the silly claim that Alli has shown less potential than Pogba at the same age.

By the way, you also were laughing yesterday, before the match last night, at my prediction that Spurs would blow Stoke away. Well, they got handed their worst home defeat of the Prem era.

Still laughing? Or is it now more of a frozen grimace?
 
It's difficult to say how good the boy will be. He's on the crest of a wave. I don't think he did much against us but then he nicks a goal. I think it would be difficult to struggle in this current spurs team. They've some good young English lads and that helps settle. But people will be more aware of him next season. So he can score as many as he wants - when you become a marked man, that is when real questions are asked of you - especially if Spurs went on to win the league. It's no different to our young lads. It's good to see England producing potential.
 
GlastonSpur said:
A typically irrelevant post from you. The point here is that Alli is a regular in the starting XI of a top Prem team - which is something else (besides the goals and assists tally) that Pogba had not achieved by the same age, and which further gives the lie to the silly claim that Alli has shown less potential than Pogba at the same age.

By the way, you also were laughing yesterday, before the match last night, at my prediction that Spurs would blow Stoke away. Well, they got handed their worst home defeat of the Prem era.

Still laughing? Or is it now more of a frozen grimace?
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Alli is 20. Pogba was a regular starter for Serie A champions at 20, what are you on about? They broke into their team at the same age, started playing at 19 and were key players at 20 (Pogba turned 20 in March of that season, Alli in early April).

How is starting for Tottenham better than starting for Juventus?
 
Sarni said:
Alli is 20. Pogba was a regular starter for Serie A champions at 20, what are you on about?
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Alli is a regular starter for a team that may well be English Champions at 20
 
It's worth pointing out that Alli already has 10 league goals to his name in his first full season at the highest level, whereas Pogba still hasn't achieved that inspite of the fact that both more or less play in the same position. It'll be interesting to see how he does in his second season but so far it's not a big claim to say that he has shown that Pogba did at the age of 20.
 
VP89 said:
Alli is a regular starter for a team that may well be English Champions at 20
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Of course, where did I say he's not? I just said it doesn't in any way prove that Alli has achieved more at 20 because Pogba was also a starter for his side at 20. Unless someone truly believes starting for Spurs is a bigger achievement than starting for Juventus then I don't see how that proves anything at all.
 
Sarni said:
Of course, where did I say he's not? I just said it doesn't in any way prove that Alli has achieved more at 20 because Pogba was also a starter for his side at 20. Unless someone truly believes starting for Spurs is a bigger achievement than starting for Juventus then I don't see how that proves anything at all.
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Oh right. Yeah fair enough, Sorry
 
KM said:
It's worth pointing out that Alli already has 10 league goals to his name in his first full season at the highest level, whereas Pogba still hasn't achieved that inspite of the fact that both more or less play in the same position. It'll be interesting to see how he does in his second season but so far it's not a big claim to say that he has shown that Pogba did at the age of 20.
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Alli has 10 goals in 32 games while Pogba had 5 in 27 albeit playing in a deeper role. Both were impressive in their breakout seasons no doubt, claiming that one was better than the other because he was doing it for Spurs and not Juventus is just plain nonsense. It's just Glaston's idiotic superiority complex where he somehow thinks that Spurs are the best team in the history of football and playing for them itself is a bigger achievement than Ballon d'Or.

Both are one of the best young midfield talents in Europe and funnily enough both are the players we have missed out on as we had Pogba and Alli would have been a straightforward signing in 2014 and 2015.
 
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
Would he have bought Alli? Doubt it

That said, it does seem that Van Gaal gets the best out of young players. Rashford has been shining brightly since he's come into the team. I guess Martial can be on that list too.
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Probably wouldn't have bought him.

I don't think van Gaal necessarily gets the best out of young players either. Some of our most talented youths (Pereira, Januzaj, Wilson) have not progressed significantly under van Gaal. Despite his efforts McNair, Blackett and Lingard don't look like they've suddenly kicked on into first XI players under his tutelage either. There've even been mentions that Martial is little different to the player he was at Monaco even though he's obviously performed very well. Shaw probably would have been an exception if not for his injury, but even he's been the best left-back over a premier league season before van Gaal.
 
This guy looks like a real player, seems to be able to play in any midfield role with ease...dare I say it - the new Steven Gerrard ?
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Would he have bought Alli? Doubt it

That said, it does seem that Van Gaal gets the best out of young players. Rashford has been shining brightly since he's come into the team. I guess Martial can be on that list too.
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If dele alli would have been coming through our academy we would all be raving about his rampaging runs but lack of positional awareness for a full back.
 
Sarni said:
Alli has 10 goals in 32 games while Pogba had 5 in 27 albeit playing in a deeper role. Both were impressive in their breakout seasons no doubt, claiming that one was better than the other because he was doing it for Spurs and not Juventus is just plain nonsense. ....
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That's not what I've said, but typically you again engage in misrepresentation: I've simply refuted the silly claim that Pogba had shown more potential than Alli by the same age.
 
GlastonSpur said:
That's not what I've said, but typically you again engage in misrepresentation: I've simply refuted the silly claim that Pogba had shown more potential than Alli by the same age.
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Btw does this mean Rashford is showing more potential than Kane. Considering y'know where they were at similar ages and all.
 
GlastonSpur said:
That's not what I've said, but typically you again engage in misrepresentation: I've simply refuted the silly claim that Pogba had shown more potential than Alli by the same age.
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It's not a silly claim, potential is a very subjective topic.
 
He's going to make Levy a very rich man once Real Madrid inevitably come sniffing around one of these transfer windows.

£5 million - what a snip.
 
Don't see why players would want to leave Spurs. And Levy doesn't really have to sell Kane/Alli to balance the books like before.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Btw does this mean Rashford is showing more potential than Kane. Considering y'know where they were at similar ages and all.
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Possibly so, compared to Kane at the same age rather than Kane as he is now.
 
Irrational. said:
He's going to make Levy a very rich man once Real Madrid inevitably come sniffing around one of these transfer windows.

£5 million - what a snip.
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Of course this is all subjective, but I feel that Real and Barca don't have anywhere near the same pull and influence on young English players as they do on the South American and Spanish players.

In fact, other than Beckham, I can't think of any other English player who's moved to one of the two clubs?
 
GlastonSpur said:
That's not what I've said, but typically you again engage in misrepresentation: I've simply refuted the silly claim that Pogba had shown more potential than Alli by the same age.
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But why even mention it? You had goals and assists, why the need to mention being a starter at PL team as something Pogba did not accomplish at the same age when the reason for that was that he was playing in Italy?
 
Clas Sified said:
Of course this is all subjective, but I feel that Real and Barca don't have anywhere near the same pull and influence on young English players as they do on the South American and Spanish players.

In fact, other than Beckham, I can't think of any other English player who's moved to one of the two clubs?
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How many did they want though? Bale isn't technically English but still a Brit and he was happy to move to Madrid.
 
Skills said:
Money, fame, ambition. You can only achieve so much at a club like Spurs.
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Says who? Spurs are on the rise that's clear to see. If they can keep their squad then he can achieve many things. Depends who comes sniffing of course - but I wouldn't leave if I was him.
 
Clas Sified said:
Of course this is all subjective, but I feel that Real and Barca don't have anywhere near the same pull and influence on young English players as they do on the South American and Spanish players.

In fact, other than Beckham, I can't think of any other English player who's moved to one of the two clubs?
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Owen (when he was still quite good- ie pre injury)
Woodgate (when he was still quite good - ie pre injury)
Mcmanaman (one of the first Bosmans)
Linekar
Hughes
 
Clas Sified said:
Of course this is all subjective, but I feel that Real and Barca don't have anywhere near the same pull and influence on young English players as they do on the South American and Spanish players.

In fact, other than Beckham, I can't think of any other English player who's moved to one of the two clubs?
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Woodgate, McManaman and Owen to Madrid.
 
Coxy said:
Says who? Spurs are on the rise that's clear to see. If they can keep their squad then he can achieve many things. Depends who comes sniffing of course - but I wouldn't leave if I was him.
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They might grab a title, and a few cups but that's about it I think. There are lots of other far bigger fishes in the pond (with a lot more money, resources etc), to prevent them ever becoming dominant in domestic football - there's one in North London.

Europe is a completely different game, with the three super teams who blow everyone else away.

Edit: Then there's also exposure. The type of exposure you get playing for Spurs isn't anywhere close to what you get playing for one of the big clubs. So if they have interest making more money outside of football, they're betting off moving to one of those clubs.
 
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Skills said:
Money, fame, ambition. You can only achieve so much at a club like Spurs.
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We're currently contending for the league title and will be playing in the CL next season. We have one of the best young managers around and one of the most astute club chairmen (Levy) in the business. We have a talented, well-balanced squad whose young average age means they'll likely only get better ... a squad containing several players who will no doubt receive a substantial pay rise this summer, a squad with tremendous team spirit and whose stars will, I'm sure, all be there come the start of next season.

We also have a recently built, fantastic training complex - with facilities that are so good (and now being further extended) it's where the England squad now choose to train. Within 2 years we'll be in the global top 10 for income (currently 12th). In a little more than 2 years we'll have 61k capacity, state-of-the art new stadium opening for business - business that will include NFL games and many other income-generating entertainments events.

In short, Spurs are not some minor outfit, but rather a club where what is achievable is rapidly expanding in scope.
 
GlastonSpur said:
We're currently contending for the league title and will be playing in the CL next season. We have one of the best young managers around and one of the most astute club chairmen (Levy) in the business. We have a talented, well-balanced squad whose young average age means they'll likely only get better ... a squad containing several players who will no doubt receive a substantial pay rise this summer, a squad with tremendous team spirit and whose stars will, I'm sure, all be there come the start of next season.

We also have a recently built, fantastic training complex - with facilities that are so good (and now being further extended) it's where the England squad now choose to train. Within 2 years we'll be in the global top 10 for income (currently 12th). In a little more than 2 years we'll have 61k capacity, state-of-the art new stadium opening for business - business that will include NFL games and many other income-generating entertainments events.

In short, Spurs are not some minor outfit, but rather a club where what is achievable is rapidly expanding in scope.
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Funny how everyone believes Leicester but not spurs are the club who regardless if they win the league will suddenly implode and show themselves to be a one season wonder. How is Levy astute? He landed a great manager it seems and its working now. He's landed how many who did average? How did he spend the Bale Money remind us all? One season where things are finally fitting together after decades of the opposite and you're acting like your manager and players wouldn't dream of looking elsewhere.
 
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GlastonSpur said:
We're currently contending for the league title and will be playing in the CL next season. We have one of the best young managers around and one of the most astute club chairmen (Levy) in the business. We have a talented, well-balanced squad whose young average age means they'll likely only get better ... a squad containing several players who will no doubt receive a substantial pay rise this summer, a squad with tremendous team spirit and whose stars will, I'm sure, all be there come the start of next season.

We also have a recently built, fantastic training complex - with facilities that are so good (and now being further extended) it's where the England squad now choose to train. Within 2 years we'll be in the global top 10 for income (currently 12th). In a little more than 2 years we'll have 61k capacity, state-of-the art new stadium opening for business - business that will include NFL games and many other income-generating entertainments events.

In short, Spurs are not some minor outfit, but rather a club where what is achievable is rapidly expanding in scope.
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I agree with all of that apart from the astute Levy.

He constantly left your transfer dealings to the last minute to get as much money as possible which didn't allow for any incoming transfers, or usually poor last minute incoming transfers.

The Bale money would have been better used as building material for your new stadium, literally.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Funny how everyone believes Leicester but not spurs are the club who regardless if they win the league will suddenly implode and show themselves to be a one season wonder. How is Levy astute? He landed a great manager it seems and its working now. He's handed how many who done average? How did he spend the Bale Money remind us all? One season where things are finally fitting together after decades of the opposite and you're acting like your manager and players wouldn't dream of looking elsewhere.
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Because this will be the 3rd time that Spurs have finished in the top 4 in recent seasons, despite there being at least 5 other Prem clubs with significantly larger incomes (two of them sugar-daddy funded), all whilst enabling the club to finance both our new training complex and ongoing construction of our new stadium complex, and all whilst having the lowest net spend in the entire Prem over the last 5 years: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

The Bale money included the purchase of Eriksen, Lamela and Chadli, all of whom have done well for the club, so if that's a failure I like to know what success looks like.
 
theyneverlearn said:
I agree with all of that apart from the astute Levy.

He constantly left your transfer dealings to the last minute to get as much money as possible which didn't allow for any incoming transfers, or usually poor last minute incoming transfers.

The Bale money would have been better used as building material for your new stadium, literally.
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Well, see my post #318 above.
 
theyneverlearn said:
I agree with all of that apart from the astute Levy.

He constantly left your transfer dealings to the last minute to get as much money as possible which didn't allow for any incoming transfers, or usually poor last minute incoming transfers.

The Bale money would have been better used as building material for your new stadium, literally.
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I think Levy gets a bit too much of a hard time over the bale signings
Spurs have lost £29.4m when you look at the purchase / sale price of Soldado, Chirches, Capoue and Paulinho

They still have Erikson, Lamella and Chadli on their books who cost £43.8m in total and I suspect you would get significantly more than that if you sold those three - infact I wouldn't be surprised if it got close to breaking even

over the last 5 years he has made a profit every year on transfer dealings
+£7.85m, +£1.25m, +£16.3m, +£1.3m, +£27m = £53.7
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/english-football-teams/tottenham-hotspur-transfers

In contrast we have made a loss each year for the last 5 years
-£28.15m, -£104.2m, -£66.7m, -£51.1m, -£38.15m = -288.3m
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/manchester-united/english-football-teams/manchester-united-transfers

so basically they have a net spend £342m less than us over 5 seasons, or £68.4m a season less

sod pochettino or kane... lets sign levy
 
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