I wonder if we threw the sort of money we seem to be wanting to spend on Sanches at Ali instead, whether it'd get us anywhere close to getting him.
Dele 'Muhammad' Alli | Walker takes the finger from Dele | FIFA open disciplinary proceedings
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Only Van Gaal calls them titles. Trophies, they've won two trophies over the past 20 years. Zero titles.
He's the media darling now,but the English media love to build up players just to tear them down.
2 years ago Sterling was the next big thing.
He can't be punching players. That's not passion,it's being a thug.
2 years ago Sterling was the next big thing.
He can't be punching players. That's not passion,it's being a thug.
Spurs would be as stupid to reject a £60 million bid for Ali as we would be to pay £60 million on Sanchez.
I doubt we'd be paying anything like that for Sanches, but Ali could well fetch that much in this crazy market, even then they might not sell.
Sorry, it was 60 million euros wasn't it, not pounds. Still a crazy sum for an unproven kid, but if he turns out like Martial it won't be too shabby :-)
It's not that much money in cash. No one pays for a player in one go like that.
are some people really suggesting that this is ok, because he is young? 
FFS, ban the cnut
FFS, ban the cnutHope he gets the 3 match ban.
That's because both of them are absolute cnuts and have a history of doing stuff like this regularly plus they're both experienced.
Ditto, nice and fresh to be the best midfielder at the Euros then.
It is the Euros. It is England. I will wait and watch.
Sakho has no experience on failing drug tests. But if he does, he gets punished.
A 3 match ban is for offenders. Repeat offenders can get more, but 3 is a minimum if violent charge is proved.
How's that related to what I said?
I thought you were the one Adisa called "People defending him". If you are not, apologies for quoting your post.
I wasn't defending him at all. Just pointing out that he shouldn't be compared to Costa or Suarez yet.
He isn't. He should be punished though because he punched a guy in the stomach. Its not passion.
I don't want to "protect him" - I just acknowledge that when you are young you do stupid things. Any bloke who tells you he didn't make daft decisions at that age is a liar.
He is young, he'll learn and given he maybe is a bit niggly in games perhaps a ban now will help him do that. As it is it's not always good to try and take away that edge on a player completely because it arguably makes him the player he is - especially his work rate, effort and closing down of opposition players. I suspect, as he get's a bit older, and with a bit of good coaching he will in time find the right balance in his play.
For clarity, I think he should be banned - as any player doing that kind of thing should. What I don't agree with is people eager to jump on the band wagon and enjoy sticking the boot in to him which you tend to see a lot with this kind of thing.
Edit: see below, people comparing him to Suarez? Highlights the point I'm making.
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The difference between Suarez and Costa is that these players have a long and varied history of unpleasant behaviour. Likening a kid chucking handbags at an opponent to a player who has been banned for biting opponents on an almost regular basis is bizarre. Clearly there's a huge latitude between the two.
This isn't the first time Alli does this though. If he wasn't English, he would have been labelled as a thug.
I'm sorry, this is total rubbish. Let's hear some of these incidents that put him in the Suarez mould then?
That comment is another great example of people wanting to put the boot in for the sake of it, with absolutely nothing of substance the back it up with.
I think people are jumping on the bandwagon because it has happened on more than one occasion and the manner it has happened in. Age has nothing to do with it. Alli has a fracas more or less every game now and it's just silly. I can't think of another youngster who does that.
I also struggle to get your comment about 'it's not always good to try and take away that edge on a player completely because it arguably makes him the player he is - especially his work rate, effort and closing down of opposition players'. Kicking, punching, or constantly being a pain in the arse won't add to his game. His work rate, effort and closing down of opposition players will be the same. I'm not saying he shouldn't add aggression to his game - he can keep that, but he needs to channel it in the right way, otherwise he will be compared to Suarez.
Rooney did the same thing and he's ironed that out for the most part
Age has everything to do with it. Young people make bad choices, maturity - especially under pressure is something that comes with age. This suggestion that he has a "fracas" in every game? Lots of players could be tagged with that - not least Fellaini here who leads umpteen challenges with his elbows regularly and gives away numerous fouls - and has done since he was in the PL, yet there's little moral outcry from United fans about him. Incidentally nor was there about Eric Cantona or Roy Keane - players the fans loved but who often strayed the wrong side of the line. It's total hypocrisy.
There is an obvious line between "kicking/punching and being a pain in the arse" and being a player who is difficult for the opposition to play against in closing down and not giving an inch yet staying the right side of that line. That kind of work ethic, commitment and aggression - if controlled is a very valuable asset in a player. I'm not suggesting punching opposition players is a sensible of acceptable thing to do and clearly this age he needs to learn to control it and direct it in the right way. A ban and time to think will likely help that.
I can't get away with the moral outrage that some seem to attach to what is generally a very stupid act - for which he will be rightly punished, will serve a ban and hopefully learn his lesson. A few days ago he won the PFA player of the year and most would have agreed he deserved it. Yet now, he's a "thug", akin to Luis Suarez who's punched and kicked his way through the season. It's just sensationalist nonsense.
It's especially bizarre when I suspect 99% of the people criticising him would love to have him at their club, as would every manager in the Premier League. I also suspect if it were Rashford or Martial then United fans would praise their spirit and point out their relative inexperience.
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Well said.
The argument is that the underlying element of his personality which gives him such tremendous aggression, determination and will to win is the same underlying element that causes him to lash out. Essentially, that 'bad' personality traits can make good footballers.
If you take it away, while he'll be less likely to get himself sent off, he'll also lose some of what drives him to be as good as he is.
It's a fairly cliched argument that also used to get made about Keane, Cantona, Rooney, etc, and I don't know how true it is. But I suspect there probably is a degree of truth there.
Not remembered Rooney punched someone on football field or intentionally picking on someone off play. Rooney is hot headed, reckless, and did stupid thing out of his own frustration; but rarely came off as a personal revenge, confrontation with certain player. Video here is highlight of Rooney fights. Look very tame for most part. The most wildest one is the WC2006 incident, still it's not a personal confrontation.
Alli for his break through season already involved in actual confrontation with Yacob, Noble, a Fiorentina players in EL game and few other little incidents here and there.
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He's done for the season, that's a nice period of rest before the Euros, he could probably do with that.
Season over.
Wants to get over himself really. I thought the red card would come during the Euros so hopefully this means it wont happpen now...but the fact it's so obvious it'd be at some point is clearly an issue.
I don't get what he's trying to prove when he does these things. He's not lashing out in anger because it allways seems to be him that seeks out the confrontation. It's like it's some attempt to prove to the world that he's a hard man, except the sort of things he does just prove the opposite. Things like push Mata lightly in the chest, or feather punch a West Brom player in the stomach, or kick someone slightly while they're already lying on the floor. There'll be some dumb soft lad incident involving him in nearly every game.
Is he trying to intimidate anyone by doing this? I really don't get it. All this does is show opponents that you're a bit of a moron who can be targetted by cheats if the need to get someone sent off arises. The last thing the England team need is another generation of morons who's talent is secondary to their idiocy...though it's far too early for him to be firmly in that category yet.
I don't get what he's trying to prove when he does these things. He's not lashing out in anger because it allways seems to be him that seeks out the confrontation. It's like it's some attempt to prove to the world that he's a hard man, except the sort of things he does just prove the opposite. Things like push Mata lightly in the chest, or feather punch a West Brom player in the stomach, or kick someone slightly while they're already lying on the floor. There'll be some dumb soft lad incident involving him in nearly every game.
Is he trying to intimidate anyone by doing this? I really don't get it. All this does is show opponents that you're a bit of a moron who can be targetted by cheats if the need to get someone sent off arises. The last thing the England team need is another generation of morons who's talent is secondary to their idiocy...though it's far too early for him to be firmly in that category yet.
Let's hope they implode on their final 3 matches.
I like the optimism.This. We can still finish above them
This. We can still finish above them
I like the optimism.
They just need to lose to Chelsea away, Southampton home and draw to Newcastle away on the last day
Realism. 4 wins out of 4 for the unstoppable Vangle juggernaut, on the way to lifting the FA Cup. 3 defeats for the big-time-bottlers and back into the Europa League. They're season's done. They know they won't win it. Everyone is in bubblewrap mode for the Euros. We've still got a cup final to smash.
Sad in a way watching that back, he was such a ferocious competitor.
The version we've seen for a fair while has had next to none of this. I recall Moyes saying something along these lines best part of 3 years ago now.
So what happened, pace and mobility can obviously go down, but losing that fight and competitiveness, what dulled that? Having kids? Realising you get hurt more doing that?
Sorry not want to discuss Rooney's decline, so I kept it short. Thing is people tend to get distract and lose drive. There's very few can keep the drive going like C.Ronaldo, Messi, Robben...(tried to keep it short here). Someone like Ronaldinho, Kluivert lost drive very early in term of age. Rooney has had a fairly long career, so it's understanbly he may lose his edge. No shame in it.
Back to thread topic: I followed Serie A closely from mid 90s to mid 00s, one player Alli reminds me of Totti in term of characters and petty confrontation.
Missing pissing incident and many other little incident. (Please don't mind the music)
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Sorry not want to discuss Rooney's decline, so I kept it short. Thing is people tend to get distract and lose drive. There's very few can keep the drive going like C.Ronaldo, Messi, Robben...(tried to keep it short here). Someone like Ronaldinho, Kluivert lost drive very early in term of age. Rooney has had a fairly long career, so it's understanbly he may lose his edge. No shame in it.
Back to thread topic: I followed Serie A closely from mid 90s to mid 00s, one player Alli reminds me of in term of characters and petty confrontation is Totti.
Missing pissing incident and many other little incident. (Please don't mind the music)
Looks like a grade A asshole.
Only one that seems a fair reaction is when some goon 2 foots in on him at pace, and he jumps and lands on him!
Always thought if you go in recklessly, you put yourself in a vulnerable position to some stud action. As seen with Gaz Southgate v Keane that time
MODMINS, BOMAYE ! MODMINS BOMAYE !
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