Which ones are Dembele and Alli?
Dele Alli is England's best young midfielder playing in Turkey
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He's got that Scrappy Doo thing Wilshere has. Both look ridiculous when they act tough.
He's a good player.
He's a good player.
He's only played one game so far this season, so you're wrong straight away!
Pogba can have a game where he doesn't assist or score, but look head and shoulders the best player on the park, as he did in his last appearance for us.
It's no surprise you have a very simplistic understanding of midfield play, and don't really get the nuance beyond numbers and statistics, but that's more failings in you than in Pogba.
Spurs fielded an incredibly weakened team in the EL, so your EL reference proves nothing. And as I've already said, why don't you wait for more than 2 games to elapse in the Prem before proclaiming Pogba to be this amazingly brilliiant player?
If Pogba plays as well as Dembele did for Spurs last season then he'll be doing very well ... but this remains to be seen.
I was asked for facts to back my opinion up. Now that I've referenced them, it turns out you don't like them ... go figure.
Then this simply underlines my point even more. Why don't you wait to see how Pogba actually fares in the Prem before proclaiming his brilliance?
I didn't ask you for stats. Just highlighting that looking at goal and assist stats for a box-to-box midfielder is silly and shows a naive appreciation of the art of midfield.
They can completely control and dominate all facets of a match, as Pogba has been doing from a young age, without assisting or scoring. It doesn't mean they're lagging behind some 19 year old Attacking Midfielder who happens to score a bit more.
Of course the beauty of Pogba is that he can score and assist goals, hence him being top of assists in Serie A last season. But it's not what he's bought for.
As usual, the "we didn't care" excuse. Alli played, btw. Didn't set the world ablaze, though.
Because he has already shown it against better oppo then you can currently find on your league
Did they play well enough to have someone remove the cobwebs on your trophy cupboard?
GlastonSpur never fails to entertain
Wait to see if he can match the brilliance of Dembele?
What on earth is this about?
@GlastonSpur would you turn down Neymar for Kane just because Neymar hasn't done it in the PL before?
@GlastonSpur would you turn down Neymar for Kane just because Neymar hasn't done it in the PL before?
Where is the GK? And how is it an XI?
Which ones are Dembele and Alli?
Dembele - 9 goals in 4 seasons for Spurs
Pogba -10 goals in last season for Juve
Using Glaston's logic, Pogba is thus better than Dembele. Case closed.
Pogba -10 goals in last season for Juve
Using Glaston's logic, Pogba is thus better than Dembele. Case closed.
To be fair, Kane's got 46 goals for Spurs in the league in the past two seasons. Neymar is clearly a superior player but could he get similar numbers in that Spurs side? I'd understand if a Spurs fan would prefer to keep Kane, as crazy as that sounds.
Hard league vs shite league.
That is an oxymoron my friend!
It was Neuer. Didn't turn up to the award.
What if we signed Lewandowski or Muller. Would we also need to wait before they perform in the PL before proclaiming them brilliant players?
In fairness id not want to swap any very talented players who come through the ranks
I can see it now, Mourinho showing Pogba videos of Dembele and said, "play like him"
Moyes would be proud if that one
Same with Verrati and Kroos. These guys aren't better than Pogba . Since signing for United he bizzarely seem to get under rated for some odds reasons
You think Kane would be able to play for United over Rashford since Rashford was better than Kane when Kane was Rashford's age?
Yes because football was invented last year.
I think they are to be honest. I really rate both of them. Especially Verratti who I think is the best young midfielder in the world. That's not to say that there is much between them though.
Then your fellow Spurs fans think we are the ones who WUM you.
What is Glaston even trying to achieve here? Get people to be in awe of Tottenham's players? Calling Serie A (which has been a very real threat to England's fourth CL spot recently) piss poor is either delusional or a pathetic attempt to bend reality in order to support a very weak argument. Pogba has delivered at a level that most Spurs players never even managed to compete at, there is no burden of proof on him regarding his quality.
You didn't ask me for stats, but the poster I was responding to did. Then you jumped in an criticised the fact that I had cited stats despite the fact that I had been asked for them ... which merely shows that you're looking for any excuse to butt in.
My point was goals and assists are not a good way to judge the contribution of the box to box midfielder. Especially vs. an attacking midfielder.
It's a juvenile way to look at the game where goals and setting up goals is the only measure of a player, regardless of position.
But hardly surprising from you. The way you talk about stuff you clearly have no idea about is hilarious. You've watched Pogba no more than a handful of times, likely all in the last 3 months, and have absolutely no appreciation of what he was doing at 19. So you resort to some meaningless stats.
Fair enough. Personally I'd only rate Kroos, modric and Iniesta ahead of him but given age I wouldn't take any over Pogba.
Veratti and Kross are tough ones for me. Fantastic players but so different. Honestly think either would make an excellent compliment to Pogba in a 4-3-3
10 goals and 11 assists, aged 19, in his first season with Spurs, are meaningless? Okey-dokey. Let me know when Pogba gets 10 goals and 11 assists this season, aged 23.
Jealous much?
Righto then! Let us know when Spurs win a title again
So despite being told exactly why it's pointless to use goal and assist stats to judge a box to box midfielder (vs an attacking midfielder), you do just that in the very next post.
It's pathetic to use goal/assist stats as a crutch for your poor argument. Try watching matches instead and try to observe what midfielders do apart from goals. You probably didn't rate Patrick Vieira or Roy Keane either, who were fairly modest in the goals/assists department.
Pogba could go the whole season without scoring and it wouldn't matter so long as he was dominating every midfield he faced, and United continued winning games and competing for the league.
So I couldn't care less when Pogba hits those numbers.
Relevance to Alli at 19 compared to Pogba aged 19: zero.
Alli is very good, but I think I would prefer Barkley. Barkley has better passing and is more able to run past the opposition then Alli. Alli I think is better to read the game and move around. More clinical around the box. But if I was gonna chose to buy one of them I most likely chose Barkley.
What was Pogba doing in matches aged 19 that was so much better than Alli last season? And even that ignores the fact that Alli played both roles last season: box-to-box and AM.
We're broadening the discussion here to their influence. Pogba is a regular starter for club and country. While Alli appears to be a talent he doesn't compare to Pogba on those stats. If he hits those heights he won't even be at Spurs by the time he's 23 and Spurs know it
Also internationally Alli has shown that he still lacks maturity at that level. Barkley should have played at the Euros. Alli was poor
If Pogba is allowed to play as advanced as Alli was last season, he'd easily beat those numbers.