At Spurs I assume like the way he moved there at 20.
Declan Rice
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At Spurs I assume like the way he moved there at 20.
I do remember him being talked about at Sporting when he was linked to United and the north London clubs. It was even said that he was more technically astute than other young English talents for no reason other than having played for Sporting
How do we do that without having the ball in the first place?
Don't bother replying if you're gonna be arsey about it.
Also, anyone that thinks people hadn’t heard of Dier when he was a Sporting 
The world of football doesn’t begin and end at the PL.
The world of football doesn’t begin and end at the PL.
If we get this guy i honestly lose all hope as a United fan. Our mediocrity will go on and on signing players like Rice. He is Dier 2.0. We need much higher quality to compete with Barcelona and City
Also, anyone that thinks people hadn’t heard of Dier when he was a Sporting
The world of football doesn’t begin and end at the PL.
This. He was in the England youth set up as well.
You don't think its an important question?
Put Luka Modric in our midfield instead of Ander. If we don't have the ball, how is Modric going to dictate play with the ball?
He's going to have to wait until the opposition give the ball away by either scoring against us, putting a shot high or wide, or with an error.
You have to have the ball to keep the ball. The only times you are automatically given the ball are at kick offs.
Its great having a player who keeps the ball and helps you attack with it, but he needs someone winning the ball in the first place otherwise he cant do his job.
With respect, I don't think he was being arsey. I think it's a genuine concern as our ability to hold the ball has been questionable. Rice would add some defensive stability and hopefully allow other midfielders to dictate and hold possession/create chances.
The guidance of Carrick would surely be of huge benefit also.
I know Rice is good defensively but is he good in possession? Can he dictate the game for us when we have possession? I thought we needed a player like Carrick who can do both.
We definitely do but they should not be playing where Rice is playing - they should be playing where Herrera is playing.
Rice for me can add a level of stability to the midfielders - allowing us to play two attacking minded CM's both who can be creative than defensive.
Not only do I think Herrera is not very good at being creative, neither is Matic - on paper we go for a player like Rice to do the job both Matic & Herrera are doing in one.
Right now opponents double (and sometimes triple) up on Pogba. Will signing Rice be able to solve this? Will he be able to find solutions/ attract enough attention to free up Pogba?
If we go to a 2 in midfield yes thats what we need. And in that case Rice is a fine passer and good dribbler, but at 20 he's obviously not as good as the Carrick you remember in his prime. But he's better than Carrick at 20.
If we continue with a 3 man midfield and continue using Pogba as such an offensive player, then we need a new DM who can be as active winning the ball as Ander. The 3rd man in midfield can be the player who dictates play on the ball and defends a bit to help that DM. In theory maybe Fred could be that player, but hes unproven so far.
So Young,Darmian,Valencia,Rojo,Jones,Matic,Fred,Bailly,Sanchez,Lukaku do not make you lose hope but signing Rice that showed once again today against Spurs what a good player he is would make you lose hope. A young leader, gives an huge effort every time I see him play and does the donkey work the primadonnas like Pogba are not botherd to do. We are leaking goals and need a DM plus he gives a midfield that´s constantly overworked added steel and stamina. Every top team has a player that does this work in order to carry the so called flair players.
I watched him today and thought he was average at best and nothing special. But I've seen a lot of people saying he's the next big thing and a lot of people saying he's just hype. So I genuinely want to know how good he is in his position. Is he someone that will transform our side given we add a few other players or is he just going to be a waste of money when we have Mcctominay and Garner?
Can someone who has actually watched him very well answer this?
Can someone who has actually watched him very well answer this?
I don't see the similarities with Dier at all
Sign him up, he looks good IMO.
It's only one guy saying it.
Ok i see, so from the players we've been linked to it will be Rice as the ball winning DM and Eriksen/Bruno for the #8 role to help dictate?
Was that who I saw get megged by Dele Alli today?
A quick thread search with the word ‘Dier’ will prove ya wrong there, Danters.
Also, no similarities whatsoever other than both were young CB’s converted into DM’s early in their careers and both have some similar attributes. Other than that Danters, no siree, no similarities.
Yeah, but he says it a lot so every time I pop in this thread people are talking about fecking Eric Dier
Or Moura can’t remember which one but he did.
Yeah, but he says it a lot so every time I pop in this thread people are talking about fecking Eric Dier
He’s wrong just an FYI.
Edit: Here’s a clue, fourth post into the thread. I wasn’t the one that started the comparisons. It’s why you shouldn’t listen to shit talking posts.
you talk about Dier a lot though just an FYI x
4th post into the thread x
ok hun I apologise x
Yep that would make sense. And it doesnt have to be that, we could have someone who isnt quite as active defending like Ruben Neves but that would mean the #8 would need to be making a big defensive contribution as well. Like Moutinho does for Wolves
Its about getting that balance right. And Rice would take care of the bulk of the defensive stuff so the other players can get on with concentrating on dominating the ball, or adding to attack.
Just don’t listen to muppet posts bae x
Right, I don't see that much either. He's like a better Schneiderlin.
Yeah sounds like a good plan, whether we can actually bring these players in is another conversation
In my opinion
Neves - Eriksen/Bruno - Pogba might look better on paper but it has the same problems we currently have - it's way too easy to get past our midfield.
Rice - Eriksen/Neves/Bruno - Pogba has much more balance & freedom of the creative players to be just that whilst rice can cover gaps and guard the defence.
From the last twenty odd minutes i saw him, he has good positioning which is basic thing for a Dm, he gets interceptions yes, but not sure about his passing short or long. I think we should be looking at a player with higher talent and better passing range. Dont wanna spend so much money with english tax on a pure intercepting dm. At west ham he is required to defend and not break defenses. He doesnt have to be a deep lying through ball specialist just a player with good passing range short and long.
Don't get the arguments that he'd help us counter attack. Yeah he might win the ball back but what's the point if he cannot use it effectively? It was the same nonsense when Matic came in how he would 'give a platform' and 'free up our other midfielders'. As we saw with Matic, Rice will win the ball and then our more advanced players have to drop deep to even collect the ball and then our attacks are starting 10-20 yards deeper and we have a whole team to play through. A better passer is needed there unless we go with a true ball playing CB.
I don't think we'll get him anyway.
He isn't like Dier, I don't think he is at least.
Rice seems really, really good at winning the second balls in midfield, he knows where to be and when.
He's also pretty underrated on the ball, at least in this thread he is.
He isn't like Dier, I don't think he is at least.
Rice seems really, really good at winning the second balls in midfield, he knows where to be and when.
He's also pretty underrated on the ball, at least in this thread he is.
Well Diop impressed me more today
Diop is great.
Is he Irish?
If he were to go to City and replace Fernandinho, nobody would be complaining about his passing (you would think he was Chris Smalling by the way if you read this thread). City have other players with other strengths, but if he wins the ball and stops attacks as much as he does now, people would say Fernandinho has been replaced. And we would say we should have gone for him.
He’s no worse a passer than Kante, who I believe is referred to as the best DM in the world on here. He’s a fantastic young DM, and would add balance and allow the other midfielders to attack freely.
He’s no worse a passer than Kante, who I believe is referred to as the best DM in the world on here. He’s a fantastic young DM, and would add balance and allow the other midfielders to attack freely.
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