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Robbie Boy said:
Because he looks a million miles away from a player that can do that. We need elite players, not a player who hasn’t even been particularly good who happens to be wildly overrated.
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He looks? So you are just uncertain then. The last time we went to elite player who is targeted by City was Sanchez. Did it work out?

Sometimes isn’t about just being elite, elite player like Veron doesn’t suit us but a non elite like Fletcher is more suitable. We should sign player who suits us not a player who doesn’t suit us.
 
This will be Phil Jones 2.0, Young English defender who can play multiple positions and being hyped as a future captain. Fast forward 8 or 9 years and we will be wondering why he is still here.
 
Hawks2008 said:
This will be Phil Jones 2.0, Young English defender who can play multiple positions and being hyped as a future captain. Fast forward 8 or 9 years and we will be wondering why he is still here.
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Wasn't that Eric Dier?
 
RooneyLegend said:
The same fans that were claiming he is their best midfielder in club history?
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That was due to his form in the Championship to be fair. Kenny Hibbit is considered as possibly Wolves best ever midfielder until Neves was given the accolade by some fans after his form in the second tier of English football last season. The hype is still going strong, even if his performances have left alot to be desired in the top flight.
 
RooneyLegend said:
The same fans that were claiming he is their best midfielder in club history?
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Right. Him and Moutinho are their best players, many are saying he's the best they ever had indeed. I quoted some posts from one of their major forums with a multitude of posts, from 2019, supporting this view. He hasn't been at his best this season but he's still highly rated
 


Bit blinded to not see why Ole would want him.

Without a player like him you cannot start a counter attack. All this talk about Neves & Co is irrelevant because they should not be playing in the position that Rice should be playing at - at least not doing the job that Rice is doing. He wins the ball and turns it in to attack time for the rest of the team.

The Basmati Busquets the video is called :lol:
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:


Bit blinded to not see why Ole would want him.

Without a player like him you cannot start a counter attack. All this talk about Neves & Co is irrelevant because they should not be playing in the position that Rice should be playing at - at least not doing the job that Rice is doing.

The Basmati Busquets the video is called :lol:
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Are you worried that Ole is trying too hard to be a Fergie clone? I wonder if going back to a British player policy in transfers is even his idea. Im going to watch Rice closely til the end of the season
 
Loublaze said:
Are you worried that Ole is trying too hard to be a Fergie clone? I wonder if going back to a British player policy in transfers is even his idea. Im going to watch Rice closely til the end of the season
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Im actually happy with it & though I'm not any sort of manager; it's the exact thing I would do to get us back on track. I don't think it's an SAF thing as much as it is a United thing. Some fans may be dying out for the PSG route of having these superstars that hardly break a sweat in the right way for their club but I think these players may end up giving you an element of loyalty & long term ambition of the club on the pitch. I'm sure ole wants this at the core - not the main flair like aspects of the football we play.

We have an absolutely dense squad of players across the world that we expected some good performances from that now don't even sit on the bench. What Ole will first try to do is to open up these spaces to the youngsters. Alot of them are at the stage that they can atleast cover some spots whilst some may even be good enough for the first team straight away.

Ole wants to create a balance of Homegrown United players, English players, Players that have succeeded in the PL and finally some world class players from across the world.

When it comes to Rice - I can see why tactically he may be important - because these midfielders that people crave that pass the ball better will be able to play in front of him.

Look at the way Rice slide tackles - I've hardly seen much like that in recent times & it's not too coincidental it's coming from a British player with some grit and strength to his game in vital areas. Let's not forget that this current English generation may look a little less 'world class' or eye catching - but they are more able to work as a team & maybe just maybe - going for some English players in our core may not be too bad.
 
People on one hand can't lament the fact the squad have a lack of leaders and then turn their nose up at a 20 year old who shows exactly those qualities. Rice is a fine player and we have an opportunity to get him before our rivals as they are already stocked in that area, apart from city, he looks a great replacement option for Fernandinho.

Liverpool- Fabinho
Chelsea- Kante
Arsenal- Torreira
Spurs - Skint
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Im actually happy with it & though I'm not any sort of manager; it's the exact thing I would do to get us back on track. I don't think it's an SAF thing as much as it is a United thing. Some fans may be dying out for the PSG route of having these superstars that hardly break a sweat in the right way for their club but I think these players may end up giving you an element of loyalty & long term ambition of the club on the pitch. I'm sure ole wants this at the core - not the main flair like aspects of the football we play.

We have an absolutely dense squad of players across the world that we expected some good performances from that now don't even sit on the bench. What Ole will first try to do is to open up these spaces to the youngsters. Alot of them are at the stage that they can atleast cover some spots whilst some may even be good enough for the first team straight away.

Ole wants to create a balance of Homegrown United players, English players, Players that have succeeded in the PL and finally some world class players from across the world.

When it comes to Rice - I can see why tactically he may be important - because these midfielders that people crave that pass the ball better will be able to play in front of him.

Look at the way Rice slide tackles - I've hardly seen much like that in recent times & it's not too coincidental it's coming from a British player with some grit and strength to his game in vital areas. Let's not forget that this current English generation may look a little less 'world class' or eye catching - but they are more able to work as a team & maybe just maybe - going for some English players in our core may not be too bad.
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Good points. I hope you're right. Rice looked impressive against us at OT so i'll be watching him closely against Spurs tomorrow
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
He looks? So you are just uncertain then. The last time we went to elite player who is targeted by City was Sanchez. Did it work out?

Sometimes isn’t about just being elite, elite player like Veron doesn’t suit us but a non elite like Fletcher is more suitable. We should sign player who suits us not a player who doesn’t suit us.
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No uncertainty here. I don’t want him and I don’t believe he’s good enough, like whatsoever. Not sure what point you’re making really. If you think he’s all that, fair play, you’re entitled to your opinion. Personally, I’ll be pretty dissapointed if he’s the caliber of player we are after. Again, I’m not sure why you’re quoting me or what your point is.
 
Robbie Boy said:
No uncertainty here. I don’t want him and I don’t believe he’s good enough, like whatsoever. Not sure what point you’re making really. If you think he’s all that, fair play, you’re entitled to your opinion. Personally, I’ll be pretty dissapointed if he’s the caliber of player we are after. Again, I’m not sure why you’re quoting me or what your point is.
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I was never trying to overhype Rice. You make a statement we shouldn’t sign Rice, we should sign an elite player, my point is that elite players don’t always suit for the club just because a player isn’t elite doesn’t mean they can’t do the job and be the puzzle of the solution. We had Veron, Di Maria & Sanchez, they are all elite, and they turned up to be the wrong signing for the club. Personally, I think Rice has potential to do job under Ole’s style of football that Ole has shown in his early matches & Rice has the attitude to play for this club.
 
Dier has been a very good player for Tottenham for years. I agree that Rice is a lot like him in that they are midfielders who pretty much just defend and keep things simple but Rice seems like a better version of Dier to me. In the five years Dier has spent in the PL he has never had a season when he won the ball for his team as much as Rice does for West Ham and he has never has he had a season where he made as few fouls as Rice does. If you look at all the various DMs people are mentioning in this thread as alternatives to Rice nobody comes close to him in terms of winning the ball without giving away fouls.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
I was never trying to overhype Rice. You make a statement we shouldn’t sign Rice, we should sign an elite player, my point is that elite players don’t always suit for the club just because a player isn’t elite doesn’t mean they can’t do the job and be the puzzle of the solution. We had Veron, Di Maria & Sanchez, they are all elite, and they turned up to be the wrong signing for the club. Personally, I think Rice has potential to do job under Ole’s style of football that Ole has shown in his early matches & Rice has the attitude to play for this club.
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You see, I think we are having a misinterpretation of what I mean by ‘elite’. The players you’re naming more intertwine with the whole ‘galactico’ era that Woodward was trying to create. I would be more than happy to streer clear of the likes of the Falcao’s and Di Maria’s of this world. Afterall, I grew up in an era when we mainly had a homegrown British and Irish core while signing the best PL talents and I loved that, I would love to go back to those days but the players have to be good enough. I would be more than happy to sign Wan Bisaka, for instance.

The likes of Rodri and Ndombele are both relatively young and have been performing in their roles for far longer than Rice. Excuse the skepticism but Rice was a mediocre CB last season who was turned into a DM this season. Due to the massive exposure his international future created for him, I feel he’s become seriously overhyped by plenty who have chosen to just read to hype and have barely watched him play. This is pretty evident but some of the outlandish comparisons people are making in here. I’ve watched enough of him to be very underwhelmed by his overall game which I find nothing more than bang average. I just don’t see ‘it’ with him at all and I feel had the whole international future fiasco not have occurred, barely anyone would be talking about him. I’ve been far more impressed with Ndidi for example, who I feel has the talent to play at a higher level.

I know some are offended in here as they’re pretending they’re Rice experts and have decided that he would be a brilliant signing. But come on, it’s rubbish. Some of the hyperbole is also hilarious ‘future captain’ etc. If anything, judging by his personality he’s a-bit thick and not captain material at all.
 
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I think someone said it earlier in the thread but in my eyes at the moment, he strikes me as one of the many players we’ve been linked with over the years that has been rubbished by people when we get linked, then goes to somewhere like Spurs, becomes great and those same people years later get frustrated and ask ‘why weren’t we in for him’

Building a British spine is integral in the way that a continuity can be established at the club. British guys probably aspire to be at the likes of Utd or Liverpool as kids, compared to the Hispanic players who will jump at the opportunity to join Real or Barca.
 
Why spend up to 70million on Declan Rice? I hate to say it, but liverpool are the closest to matching City at this moment in time. And look at their midfield. Not one world class player in there. But they have a work ethic and determination to work together. When they attack, the 3 go to attack, when they defend, the 3 go back to defend. And it works really well. It's dynamic.

What we will see if we sign Rice is probably matic and rice as defensive midfielders and Pogba as the advanced midfielder. That's ultra Mourinho defensive and would not work at all. In fact we would be in the same boat as we are now. I genuinely think that a midfield of mctominay, Herrera and Fred would work better than having Pogba and matic in there. They are luxury players with no real work ethic.
 
Robbie Boy said:
You see, I think we are having a misinterpretation of what I mean by ‘elite’. The players you’re naming more intertwine with the whole ‘galactico’ era that Woodward was trying to create. I would be more than happy to streer clear of the likes of the Falcao’s and Di Maria’s of this world. Afterall, I grew up in an era when we mainly had a homegrown British and Irish core while signing the best PL talents and I loved that, I would love to go back to those days but the players have to be good enough. I would be more than happy to sign Wan Bisaka, for instance.

The likes of Rodri and Ndombele are both relatively young and have been performing in their roles for far longer than Rice. Excuse the skepticism but Rice was a mediocre CB last season who was turned into a DM this season. Due to the massive exposure his international furniture created for him, I feel he’s become seriously overhyped by plenty who have chosen to just read to hype and have barely watched him play. This is pretty evident but some of the outlandish comparisons people are making in here. I’ve watched enough of him to be very underwhelmed by his overall game which I find nothing more than bang average. I just don’t see ‘it’ with him at all and I feel had the whole international future fiasco not have occurred, barely anyone would be talking about him. I’ve been far more impressed with Ndidi for example, who I feel has the talent to play at a higher level.

I know some are offended in here as they’re pretending they’re Rice experts and have decided that he would be a brilliant signing. But come on, it’s rubbish. Some of the hyperbole is also hilarious ‘future captain’ etc. If anything, judging by his personality he’s a-bit thick and not captain material at all.
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It’s not because the international thing. It’s because he has played very well at a very young age & has played many games.

The boy is just 20 years old, he was 19 last season. He made 26 league apps last season and this season 32 league apps, that’s a lot of experiences at a young age. He has a lot of time to improve as well. All the players that you mentioned, I’m not saying they are bad but at his age they didn’t even reach his level of experience.
 
Robbie Boy said:
You see, I think we are having a misinterpretation of what I mean by ‘elite’. The players you’re naming more intertwine with the whole ‘galactico’ era that Woodward was trying to create. I would be more than happy to streer clear of the likes of the Falcao’s and Di Maria’s of this world. Afterall, I grew up in an era when we mainly had a homegrown British and Irish core while signing the best PL talents and I loved that, I would love to go back to those days but the players have to be good enough. I would be more than happy to sign Wan Bisaka, for instance.

The likes of Rodri and Ndombele are both relatively young and have been performing in their roles for far longer than Rice. Excuse the skepticism but Rice was a mediocre CB last season who was turned into a DM this season. Due to the massive exposure his international future created for him, I feel he’s become seriously overhyped by plenty who have chosen to just read to hype and have barely watched him play. This is pretty evident but some of the outlandish comparisons people are making in here. I’ve watched enough of him to be very underwhelmed by his overall game which I find nothing more than bang average. I just don’t see ‘it’ with him at all and I feel had the whole international future fiasco not have occurred, barely anyone would be talking about him. I’ve been far more impressed with Ndidi for example, who I feel has the talent to play at a higher level.

I know some are offended in here as they’re pretending they’re Rice experts and have decided that he would be a brilliant signing. But come on, it’s rubbish. Some of the hyperbole is also hilarious ‘future captain’ etc. If anything, judging by his personality he’s a-bit thick and not captain material at all.
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He is not. But we are looking at signing 3 or 4 CMS this summer if Herrera and Pereira leaves (if Pogba leaves another one). Fellaini was never replaced to begin with. We are insanely thin at midfield now. Then Rice is a good option; if not for anything else that he is British and we will need that for the homegrown quota as well.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
It’s not because the international thing. It’s because he has played very well at a very young age & has played many games.

The boy is just 20 years old, he was 19 last season. He made 26 league apps last season and this season 32 league apps, that’s a lot of experiences at a young age. He has a lot of time to improve as well. All the players that you mentioned, I’m not saying they are bad but at his age they didn’t even reach his level of experience.
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Again I don’t agree, I feel a-lot of his exposure is mainly down to the attention his international career generated. After that, the hype just kept on going especially on here.

Not true either, Rodri had nearly 50 games under his belt for Villarreal at 20 and became a Spanish international a year later. Ndombele was also a starter for Lyon at 20 and became a French international a year later. Both, for me, are technically miles better than Rice and better overall players. Ndidi is also a better player for me, he’s miles ahead of Rice for tackles and passes this season and I would rather we sign him if we are going the PL route.
 
Johan07 said:
He is not. But we are looking at signing 3 or 4 CMS this summer if Herrera and Pereira leaves (if Pogba leaves another one). Fellaini was never replaced to begin with. We are insanely thin at midfield now. Then Rice is a good option; if not for anything else that he is British and we will need that for the homegrown quota as well.
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He’s British and massively overhyped, alas he’ll cost a whacking great fortune.
 
This better not be our 'Henderson, Downing, Carroll' summer.

We need real quality and im not sold on Declan Rice.
 
golden_blunder said:
Agree to disagree
Dier is nearly 26 and hasn’t progressed yet
Rice is 20 and imho is already ahead of Dier and will only get better
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Fair enough. For me they look exactly same and Rice hasn’t been anymore standout than a young Dier was. Again, another player who was massively overhyped when he was younger.
 
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Rice reminds me of a young Carrick, when we signed him. Carrick wasn't an elite player, but had very good potential. He didn't turn out too bad of a signing for us, did he?
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
This better not be our 'Henderson, Downing, Carroll' summer.

We need real quality and im not sold on Declan Rice.
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We already had a summer like that when we signed Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Depay and Martial.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
We already had a summer like that when we signed Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Depay and Martial.
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I meant that there's some 'sign up English players' thing going on around with Maguire, Bissaka, Rice, Sancho touted as targets. I am convinced on Sancho but Rice and Bissaka have just had their breakthrough seasons.

I might be wrong but if there are better options then we should go for them first
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
I am convinced on Sancho but Rice and Bissaka have just had their breakthrough seasons.
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Hasn’t Sancho pretty much had his breakthrough season as a regular this year?

On Rice I would probably steer clear as well because his overall value is so high it doesn’t seem worth what he might bring right now.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Hasn’t Sancho pretty much had his breakthrough season as a regular this year?

On Rice I would probably steer clear as well because his overall value is so high it doesn’t seem worth what he might bring right now.
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Yes he did too but in a different league and in a club challenging for the title.
 
If United signed Wan Bissaka, Neves, Rice and Sancho, with Toby alderweireld on the cheap that for me would be an exceptional summer.

Then look next summer for a younger top class CB and another striker.

That's how you build a top side.
 
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