Declan Rice | signs for arsenal

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Kaos said:
When has there ever been a deal where 3 players were traded one way as part of a transfer :lol: , or even two for that matter?
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Can't think of one, but in a world where players are more than happy to run their contracts down I think teams should look into these swap/trade deals a lot more. There are a probably lot of situations where a 1-for-1 swap would work great for all parties but for some reason teams don't seem to do it.
 
redshaw said:
A bid maybe, sounds more like an enquiry and I'd add cobbling to the list of things like monitoring, preparing.
A cobbled enquiry and we also need to work out if Elanga and Maguire want to go there. These proposals often fall flat when the player says no or the club say no to a particular player. Elanga might as well not be there. 40m plus Maguire would be like 80 million and around 20-30 million short of what West Ham want.
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This enquiry or offer sounds even worse than Arsenal's offer on the table. So far only Arsenal bid for his service. The rest is just interest, enquiry.....
 
Stobzilla said:
Can't think of one, but in a world where players are more than happy to run their contracts down I think teams should look into these swap/trade deals a lot more. There are a probably lot of situations where a 1-for-1 swap would work great for all parties but for some reason teams don't seem to do it.
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Presumably because they're probably a lot more complicated then we assume them to be.

For starters you need to convince the players to make the move there (they might not be keen) which is hard enough for one player never mind 3, more so when its our players who are on huge contracts here. Then there's agent fees/incentives to add to the mix too and the whole thing becomes a raging clusterfeck.

The only way it would work is if you preemptively have the conversation with the players you're likely to offload to gauge how open they are, and handle all the hypotheticals before you negotiate the trade.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
This enquiry or offer sounds even worse than Arsenal's offer on the table. So far only Arsenal bid for his service. The rest is just interest, enquiry.....
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Arsenal's bid from what I hear is pretty much all installments with some tenuous clauses thrown in. Its not unfeasible for City to make them a more compelling offer.
 
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Kaos said:
Presumably because they're probably a lot more complicated then we assume them to be.

For starters you need to convince the players to make the move there (they might not be keen) which is hard enough for one player never mind 3, more so when its our players who are on huge contracts here. Then there's agent fees/incentives to add to the mix too and the whole thing becomes a raging clusterfeck.

The only way it would work is if you preemptively have the conversation with the players you're likely to offload to gauge how open they are, and handle all the hypotheticals before you negotiate the trade.
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Well yeah, that would/should be the case, to draw a parallel it is like trying to move a player in the NBA or NHL that has a No trade clause or a No movement clause. The player has the right of refusal at all times but can decide to waive depending on the context of his/his teams situation.

Hypothetically, the conversations with our 3 in this instance would be pretty simple "You have strengths that the management team at West Ham value and we can't promise you playing time here, you are at a time in your career you need to play as much as possible, especially with Euros around the corner."

Agent's fees etc should really be no different to how it is now. At least not that hard to negotiate around.
 
Do transfers involving player swaps ever actually happen? I hear about these kind of deals every summer, but they never seem to happen.
 
We need to offer 90-100 mil cash otherwise we can forget it. If they want any of our players those must be separate deals.
 
Can't believe those vague as feck references to United possibly potentially maybe rumoured enquiry went nowhere.

Time for the Men in Black mind eraser ready for you all to fall for the next one.
 
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united_99 said:
We need to offer 90-100 mil cash otherwise we can forget it. If they want any of our players those must be separate deals.
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Most self sustain club can only offer to spread out the payment in installments for deal this size. Not many club can pay 100m cash upfront.
 
This, in my opinion and I know several in here disagree strongly, feels a bit like a modern day Rio/Keane/Carrick in terms of profile. Young player who have been very good for a few year in the PL for a midtable club. Really dislike that we are noe able to compete for these players anymore.
 
andersj said:
This, in my opinion and I know several in here disagree strongly, feels a bit like a modern day Rio/Keane/Carrick in terms of profile. Young player who have been very good for a few year in the PL for a midtable club. Really dislike that we are noe able to compete for these players anymore.
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Is that a fact?
 
Cassidy said:
Reports manager wants the player. Reports we can’t compete competitively in the bidding due to FFP
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Sure. That's a particular situation this summer. So we'll have to be creative. But generally if we are a well run club we can compete for almost any player bar those committed to joining Barca/Real.
 
Abraxas said:
Not sure I buy this grand conspiracy because it sounds like a waste of time for City. West Ham are quite able to negotiate a price without any outside assistance. They've been playing hard ball on Rice for years. It's not like he's never been available, they simply set absurd valuations nobody would meet. They've only relented to the extent they are now more willing to sell, but again at a high valuation. I don't think City's play is here nor there with respect to Rice going cheaply, it's not going to happen.
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Unfortunately, in any profession it is just a norm. When you have money you want to rattle the budding competition in any possible way.
From Arsenal point of view, they are interested in Rice to fill a major gap in their starting 11 so they have some sort of plan and strategy of the play with him. City knows this and since they have money they can bid atleast the initial offer what Arsenal is offering. City does not have much gaps to fill in their squad so they can easily afford the money.
You are right, West ham can negotiate themselves but with one buyer they can only go so far. From what I have been following, westham are expecting around 100m and if City offers 90m too, I think they will push the price to 120m easy. Which is a great win for City, because Arsenal could have used that extra 25m to buy another player.

I still think City did that for us with Sanchez and Maguire. If we were the only club interested, Maguire would have come for 65m easily. When City was also interested we panicked and paid what Leicester asked.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Apparently we are offering £40m plus Maguire and Elanga, which is odd when we know they are interested in McT.
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I suppose we want them to come back with a counter offer of “throw in McT and you’ve got a deal”. To which we’ll probably say no, like the bunch of cnuts we are.
 
Abraxas said:
Not sure I buy this grand conspiracy because it sounds like a waste of time for City. West Ham are quite able to negotiate a price without any outside assistance. They've been playing hard ball on Rice for years. It's not like he's never been available, they simply set absurd valuations nobody would meet. They've only relented to the extent they are now more willing to sell, but again at a high valuation. I don't think City's play is here nor there with respect to Rice going cheaply, it's not going to happen.
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I'm not sure it's a grand conspiracy, but then I also don't view it quite the same was as the person you quoted, but rather City letting Arsenal set the market and going in when they feel their competitor is probably reaching the top of their range.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Most self sustain club can only offer to spread out the payment in installments for deal this size. Not many club can pay 100m cash upfront.
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I didn’t mean all upfront. But still all cash (no swap deals). Unless West Ham want all upfront? Don’t think so.
 
There is no way we are getting close to Rice with our current budget.The only way he comes if some dramatic news occurs with our ownership issue in the next 96 hours. We may then persuade West Ham to hold off on negotiations with other clubs. Increase our cash offer and then part offer with our players.
 
I would have liked to see Rice at United, I think he's a really good player who can do more than he has necessarily been asked to do at his club so far.

City going into to fill their midfield with Kovacic and Rice seems absolutely mental, but I shouldn't be surprised. It looks like they only bought Phillips for a lark.
 
Bastian said:
Sure. That's a particular situation this summer. So we'll have to be creative. But generally if we are a well run club we can compete for almost any player bar those committed to joining Barca/Real.
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We are not a well run club and have not been for a decade. Also “bar players committed to joining Barca/Real”
 
Oh well. With all these Pep-managed players, at least England might win something soon.
 
Yorke to Cole said:
There is no way we are getting close to Rice with our current budget.The only way he comes if some dramatic news occurs with our ownership issue in the next 96 hours. We may then persuade West Ham to hold off on negotiations with other clubs. Increase our cash offer and then part offer with our players.
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Nobody knows our budget? We’re about to spend 50m on a keeper, 60m on Mount and 80m on Kane if he can convince Levy to let him go. It’s not ffp but seems to be a choice not to go after Rice. Not saying we would have gotten him but not spending 250m without sales isn’t being constrained by ffp or a budget!
 
Cassidy said:
We are not a well run club and have not been for a decade. Also “bar players committed to joining Barca/Real”
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True. But I think we're turning the tide. Who knows what happens with the takeover, but it takes so little sense to make such a vast positive difference because we've been so badly run. I think players are likely thinking United is an exciting place to be at the moment (with view to a takeover and ETH's first season). And yes, Barca and Real are always the biggest draws for quite a lot of players. Not sure what can change that if people love the idea of living in Spain (not least if they're South American).
 
Most City signings sit out the first year on their contracts.

So it won’t matter until the 23/24 season, by then the glazers might have made up their minds and sod off!
 
Bastian said:
True. But I think we're turning the tide. Who knows what happens with the takeover, but it takes so little sense to make such a vast positive difference because we've been so badly run. I think players are likely thinking United is an exciting place to be at the moment (with view to a takeover and ETH's first season). And yes, Barca and Real are always the biggest draws for quite a lot of players. Not sure what can change that if people love the idea of living in Spain (not least if they're South American).
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Until things change its a fact we’re unable to compete. You asked if its a fact but you seem to agree.

Hopefully things change, they haven’t yet
 
Is gonna make supporting England bloody painful, just as we get decent..

Walker, stones, rice, Phillips, grealish, foden

Add maguire, shaw, rashford, pickford and you have 10 out of 11 from Manchester clubs though...
 
Cassidy said:
Until things change its a fact we’re unable to compete. You asked if its a fact but you seem to agree.

Hopefully things change, they haven’t yet
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I think we're already better than we have been over the last 10 years. We overpaid for players last season but we managed to get in two world class players. Antony was also a very useful addition, Eriksen too though I'm not sure it was the best bet getting two older midfielders together. What I would like to see dramatically improved is our efforts and ability to shift players. But with the incomings it is surely down to both FFP and the takeover, not that those players do not want to join. I try to look at it objectively and I genuinely think we're the most attractive a club to join as we have been for a decade.
 
Will likely make Arsenal go all in for Caicedo which will probably end up being the better deal for them anyway.
 
wr8_utd said:
Will likely make Arsenal go all in for Caicedo which will probably end up being the better deal for them anyway.
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Very unlikey. Caicedo to Chelsea probably is almost done. zero chance Arsenal can outbid Chelsea.
 
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