Declan Rice | signs for arsenal

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DavelinaJolie said:
I would have liked to see Rice at United, I think he's a really good player who can do more than he has necessarily been asked to do at his club so far.

City going into to fill their midfield with Kovacic and Rice seems absolutely mental, but I shouldn't be surprised. It looks like they only bought Phillips for a lark.
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Rice won't start most games at City. Rodri is better than Rice and City cant afford to start both Rice and Rodri.
Unless Rodri is moved to different club, Rice will mostly be a backup and without continuous game-time his performance might not be at the level he is at now.
 
Bastian said:
I think we're already better than we have been over the last 10 years. We overpaid for players last season but we managed to get in two world class players. Antony was also a very useful addition, Eriksen too though I'm not sure it was the best bet getting two older midfielders together. What I would like to see dramatically improved is our efforts and ability to shift players. But with the incomings it is surely down to both FFP and the takeover, not that those players do not want to join. I try to look at it objectively and I genuinely think we're the most attractive a club to join as we have been for a decade.
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Two world class players?
Casemiro and?

We’ve always been able to make the odd top signing, but we have been losing out on the top prospects when there has been significant competition. Hopefully we improve
 
Superden said:
Is gonna make supporting England bloody painful, just as we get decent..

Walker, stones, rice, Phillips, grealish, foden

Add maguire, shaw, rashford, pickford and you have 10 out of 11 from Manchester clubs though...
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:lol::lol:
 
This feels very engineered to me, to be honest. I still think he'll end up at Arsenal.
 
Who would we prefer him to join if we can’t get him. City or Arsenal?
 
Cassidy said:
Two world class players?
Casemiro and?

We’ve always been able to make the odd top signing, but we have been losing out on the top prospects when there has been significant competition. Hopefully we improve
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That we slightly disagree is unimportant, to state the obvious. But I'd put Martinez' season as him emerging as a potential world class player. I think he'd be phenomenal in a better team (old Barca, current City).
 
skc_18 said:
Rice won't start most games at City. Rodri is better than Rice and City cant afford to start both Rice and Rodri.
Unless Rodri is moved to different club, Rice will mostly be a backup and without continuous game-time his performance might not be at the level he is at now.
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You don’t spend 100m on a player to sit him on the bench. They’d of offered him a starting role as I’m sure he’d of wanted assurances before making his choice out of them and Arsenal. However with Arsenal being in London it may be that he wants to stay down there. Rodri and Rice can play together in big games where they might want to be a bit more pragmatic as they know there front 4 will cause any team in the world havoc.
 
wr8_utd said:
Think you'll be a bit desperate if the Rice to City rumors are true and might just offer what Brighton want.
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Arteta and Edu probably will wait and see if the Martín Zubimendi to Barcelona transfer materialize first.
 
DJ_21 said:
Who would we prefer him to join if we can’t get him. City or Arsenal?
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City for sure. Arsenal are a team we can catch and at City he's probably wasted anyway with Rodri already there.
 
DJ_21 said:
You don’t spend 100m on a player to sit him on the bench. They’d of offered him a starting role as I’m sure he’d of wanted assurances before making his choice out of them and Arsenal. However with Arsenal being in London it may be that he wants to stay down there. Rodri and Rice can play together in big games where they might want to be a bit more pragmatic as they know there front 4 will cause any team in the world havoc.
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Grealish sat his ass on the bench for most of his first season at City.
 
Not sure if this is already ancient history if it ever was real news, but a deal sending Maguire and McTominay plus 50m in exchange for Rice would be decent business for both clubs. Both Harry and Scotty would suit Moyesey's tactics perfectly and they get 50m cash to shore up another hole in the squad and we bring in another midfielder who can partner with Casemiro -- who as of right now is the better midfielder but his COB will come soon -- for a club that's in the CL and can put in a decent shout for second place in the PL under ETH.
 
Rodri, Kovacic, Rice and Phillips for two midfield spots is pretty formidable. Add in Stones depending on their formation.

only way for us to compete with that would be to get two midfielders to replace McTominay, Fred and Vdb.
Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno. That’s all we have.
Caicedo and Mount would make us somewhat relevant next season.
Or Caicedo and Rabiot if we’re on a tighter budget.
 
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lex talionis said:
Not sure if this is already ancient history if it ever was real news, but a deal sending Maguire and McTominay plus 50m in exchange for Rice would be decent business for both clubs. Both Harry and Scotty would suit Moyesey's tactics perfectly and they get 50m cash to shore up another hole in the squad and we bring in another midfielder who can partner with Casemiro -- who as of right now is the better midfielder but his COB will come soon -- for a club that's in the CL and can put in a decent shout for second place in the PL under ETH.
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Except for the fact that McTominay already makes the same amount as Rice, and then you're throwing in Maguire on top of that who makes 3 times as much as either of them.
 
Player plus cash deals are highly complex and usually doesn’t work for the selling team. This will be a two way battle between city and Arsenal.
 
Superden said:
Is gonna make supporting England bloody painful, just as we get decent..

Walker, stones, rice, Phillips, grealish, foden

Add maguire, shaw, rashford, pickford and you have 10 out of 11 from Manchester clubs though...
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Honestly those City player stir up zero emotion out of me. It's not like years ago having to cheer on the likes of Terry, Carragher and Gerrard etc.
 
croadyman said:
Could see why they want McTominay but not a chance with Elanga that's for certain
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Got a feeling that we're going to keep McT. Absolute joke, sell the guy whilst he's got value - probably up to 30m currently and makes sense in a Rice offer. Why would West Ham want Elanga?
 
Superden said:
Is gonna make supporting England bloody painful, just as we get decent..

Walker, stones, rice, Phillips, grealish, foden

Add maguire, shaw, rashford, pickford and you have 10 out of 11 from Manchester clubs though...
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He always been going to Arsenal. Don't think the City interest is real tbh. In fairness if City lose Gundo and Bernardo and continue their domination next season it will be commendable.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Grealish sat his ass on the bench for most of his first season at City.
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Ye there was only city who wanted him though so he’d be happy making the big jump from Villa. Rice has about 3/4 teams after him and I’m sure he’ll want assurances about his playing time. Especially with euros coming up.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Except for the fact that McTominay already makes the same amount as Rice, and then you're throwing in Maguire on top of that who makes 3 times as much as either of them.
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Sure, but Declan signed that contract five years ago. His new contract, whoever his new employer will be, will vastly exceed his current contract.
 
There's this idea out there that Rice's play is currently limited by West ham. I would buy that in the England set up, where there may be more technical players designated those tasks. In a less technical side however, I'd expect him to have a majority of the technical responsibilities, being the most technical player of the bunch. A bit like Casemiro at Real vs here. I'm just not convinced he'd be a fit next to Miro, as I need that player to be more technical than Miro and I don't think Rice is. He's a good ball carrier and strong, good in tackle and can get about the pitch.
 
This is actually pretty good, Rice won't improve City much (in terms of bodies he is replacing Gündogan, and he is nowhere near Rodri's quality), and we won't get involved to spend the best part of a 100m on an overrated English player yet again. As if Mount wouldn't be enough to stomach this window...
 
Anduin said:
This is actually pretty good, Rice won't improve City much (in terms of bodies he is replacing Gündogan, and he is nowhere near Rodri's quality), and we won't get involved to spend the best part of a 100m on an overrated English player yet again. As if Mount wouldn't be enough to stomach this window...
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I'm not sure City need improving, they just need to try and maintain a level thats better than their rivals, and if they can sign the top target of the team that finished 2nd last season that's another psychological blow to the rest before the season starts.
 
GoonerBear said:
I'm not sure City need improving, they just need to try and maintain a level thats better than their rivals, and if they can sign the top target of the team that finished 2nd last season that's another psychological blow to the rest before the season starts.
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After a treble season, it's crucial they shake things up. Players are going to become complacent, so some new first team challengers will keep them on their toes.
 
I'm with those who think Rice to City might not be a bad thing. A big chunk of transfer money gone and it's certainly not an improvement. At the very best it might sustain current level but even that's a stretch.
 
GoonerBear said:
I'm not sure City need improving, they just need to try and maintain a level thats better than their rivals, and if they can sign the top target of the team that finished 2nd last season that's another psychological blow to the rest before the season starts.
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I get your point, but I do think you lot would improve more if you'd manage to sign Caicedo (though he seems Chelsea-bound as it stands). Would Rice improve you so much that you could challenge City? I remain unconvinced. He's good player, but the jump up to the top teams is big. I don't even envision what Pep wants him to do in that midfield, he will need to re-structure again, and while he is a master at it, there is always the chance to make things worse than they were before.
City would sign someone anyway as Gündogan is gone, I'd rather they sign Rice who is a very good, but not world class-option.
 
lex talionis said:
Sure, but Declan signed that contract five years ago. His new contract, whoever his new employer will be, will vastly exceed his current contract.
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Well yes. But asking WH to pay 4 times the wages they currently are for a downgrade in midfield and a rehabilitation project as a CB is not even remotely close to as compelling as a straight cash offer.
 
For over a year, sensible United fans have pointed out how Rice would be a real assist to our midfield.

A few here laugh at such a player being good enough, yet here we are watching Arsenal (and more likely City) sign a player, which apparently is not good enough for us.

Meanwhile in a years time, Rice will likely have a league title and maybe a champions league medal and Man Utd will have a bald patch from scratching their heads, wondering why everyone else around them is better and stronger in midfield.
 
Arsenal will not pay above their valuation , it was the same with Mudryk and Caicedo deals over the winter. We are on FFP watchlist as well, and deals have to be structured for 4-5 years. West ham want most money in first 2 years. If city is happy to overpay then they are most welcome.
 
The underrating of Rice continues. He is a very good player who will only improve with better coaching and better players around him. If not us, then hopefully he goes to Arsenal rather than ending as one of 17 City robots.
 
skc_18 said:
Rice won't start most games at City. Rodri is better than Rice and City cant afford to start both Rice and Rodri.
Unless Rodri is moved to different club, Rice will mostly be a backup and without continuous game-time his performance might not be at the level he is at now.
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Rodri would be the sitting midfielder allowing Rice to get more forward like Gundogan did . If Rice went to city I would expect him to play a similar role to Lampard at Chelsea and score more goals he’s good at breaking up play and getting forward
 
Marwood said:
I'm with those who think Rice to City might not be a bad thing. A big chunk of transfer money gone and it's certainly not an improvement. At the very best it might sustain current level but even that's a stretch.
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Maintaining current levels is all they need to do. United and Chelsea and Spurs are nowhere near the same level
 
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