Declan Rice | signs for arsenal

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cyberman said:
If anybody wanted to buy Scott from West Ham he’d cost more than 25m then. How much did Felipe Anderson cost alone?
25m is saying Scott is valued way less than Aguerd who cost 35m euros and played 18 league games last season.
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But they wouldn’t, is the point. He’d cost more than 25m if he were at West Ham and attracting interest from clubs bigger/better than West Ham. However, that’s unlikely to happen.

The only players leaving West Ham for more than 25m are those who have shown themselves to be above West Ham level while there. Aguerd and Anderson have not been sold for more than 25m. However, the hope for West Ham would be that if they perform well, they would sell for much more to bugger clubs. That’s part of the attraction for West Ham buying them. It’s very unlikely they would be buying Scott to flip to a bigger club for double money. He’s already at one and available for sale to smaller clubs.
 
Nice idea from the Twitter ITK's

Means absolutely nothing and I'm sure it will be news to West Ham and United, but good effort for today.
 
Rozay said:
But they wouldn’t, is the point. He’d cost more than 25m if he were at West Ham and attracting interest from clubs bigger/better than West Ham. However, that’s unlikely to happen.

The only players leaving West Ham for more than 25m are those who have shown themselves to be above West Ham level while there. Aguerd and Anderson have not been sold for more than 25m. However, the hope for West Ham would be that if they perform well, they would sell for much more to bugger clubs. That’s part of the attraction for West Ham buying them. It’s very unlikely they would be buying Scott to flip to a bigger club for double money. He’s already at one and available for sale to smaller clubs.
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The problem is you’re already categorising him as a flop.
West Ham tend to hang onto players like grim death so their actual sales mean very little but I can see what you’re saying.
I’m going down the league and I’m struggling to see what clubs wouldn’t start him. We get caught in this loop of thinking our players are shit because they don’t suit how we want to play while forgetting there’s plenty of teams out there who would pay good money because he does suit how they play.
I remember posters laughing at getting more than 5m for Perreira as the more recent example.
Same with Maguire. A deep laying bank of 8 would suit Scott and Maguire to the ground. I can see why West Ham would be interested but we are going to get caught out selling them cheaply because we think our players are the shits.
We can’t really say on one hand West Ham can spend their money on better players while discussing a transfer that would see Scott and Harry take up 3/4 of the transfer fee of the prized player. It’s like we’re being double bluffed
 
If we trade McT and Maguire for Rice, meaning that we will also not pay 70 million for Mount, that will be the best transfer ever.
 
Would happily pass on McTominay to get the price down. Wouldn’t want to lose Harry though. Not because I value his footballing contribution, I’m just strangely fond of him
 
Berbaclass said:
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This is exactly what I heard from the youth coach I've mentioned at West Ham, they used the term "huge" to describe the length of time the installments were planned to go over. The other issue I heard was the addons were basically a joke (I've been told now that CL win was indeed one, and a fairly large chunk of it as well). Again I'm no ITK at all, just got a specific connection to this one but I'm not about to pry into it anymore and I'd be surprised if they know much more of the actual details since its not their role to really know (I'd guess he only knows due to his close connection to Rice himself).

Jason Burt is pretty well connected to West Ham, and he is normally pretty accurate with stories around them. ExWhu is also obviously well connected, though does tend to be very conservative and will only say things when they are pretty confident of it.

As for McT, I'd gladly accept him as part of any deal, I think Moyes would probably get a good game out of him and whilst obviously a step down from Rice, just about anyone we could realistically get would be.
 
Zed 101 said:
Straight cash £100m
Cash plus McT £60-70m
Cash Plus Maguire £120m
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That one is in the right ball-park.

McTominay wouldn't be to replace Rice, it would be to take over from Soucek.

The £65m or so would buy the replacement.

McTominay is as close to a David Moyes dream target as possible.
 
Koldbeer2021 said:
This is exactly what I heard from the youth coach I've mentioned at West Ham, they used the term "huge" to describe the length of time the installments were planned to go over. The other issue I heard was the addons were basically a joke (I've been told now that CL win was indeed one, and a fairly large chunk of it as well). Again I'm no ITK at all, just got a specific connection to this one but I'm not about to pry into it anymore and I'd be surprised if they know much more of the actual details since its not their role to really know (I'd guess he only knows due to his close connection to Rice himself).

Jason Burt is pretty well connected to West Ham, and he is normally pretty accurate with stories around them. ExWhu is also obviously well connected, though does tend to be very conservative and will only say things when they are pretty confident of it.

As for McT, I'd gladly accept him as part of any deal, I think Moyes would probably get a good game out of him and whilst obviously a step down from Rice, just about anyone we could realistically get would be.
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It’s nice to see that, even in these challenging times, suggestions that Arsenal will win the champions league are still met with derision
 
DJBillRemfry said:
That one is in the right ball-park.

McTominay wouldn't be to replace Rice, it would be to take over from Soucek.

The £65m or so would buy the replacement.

McTominay is as close to a David Moyes dream target as possible.
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Yeah I agree with this, I think he'd do well, the club could easily label it as a 100 million deal (I think McT at 30-35 million is perfectly acceptable valuation) and it gets another body into the midfield. Soucek sadly had that purple season and hasn't really been the same since, despite his ariel threat.
 
Worth a punt, but I doubt it'll happen. After all there's nothing to stop them selling Rice for cash and using that to buy Maguire and/or McT if they really want them, both are for sale. Granted, we could offer them a discount on those players as part of the deal, save them a few bob, so that might be of interest to West Ham, but I still doubt this will go anywhere. Then again if it ups the price Arsenal have to pay, great.
 
Tarrou said:
McTominay would be a disaster for West Ham if Moyes wants him to play DM
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I think he replaced Soucek, not Rice. The rest of that money is probably for a Rice replacement, though no player West Ham can attract will be able to compete directly, hence why the idea of strengthening the whole midfield is attractive.
 
I'd love him at United in terms of his talent, I think he's underrated on here and would improve us hugely. If he signs for Arsenal or city people will be bemoaning the fact we didn't go for him in six months time.

That said, the price.....it's a lot of money. Even more so at a time when we seemingly don't have a lot of money to spend.
 
Rice and Mount would be immense. Both were chronically misused by Southgate. I'm sure ten hag would turn them into midfield monsters.
 
Quality player, but also not really what we need. There is some really weird planning going on if Mount and Rice are the players we're after in midfield. They are both most similar to the two actual world class midfielders we have.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Quality player, but also not really what we need. There is some really weird planning going on if Mount and Rice are the players we're after in midfield. They are both most similar to the two actual world class midfielders we have.
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I personally don't see how he fits in with Mount if we intend to play the double 8. He's not good enough on the ball to be the 6 and if he's the other 8, then Jesus wept...
 
cyberman said:
The problem is you’re already categorising him as a flop.
West Ham tend to hang onto players like grim death so their actual sales mean very little but I can see what you’re saying.
I’m going down the league and I’m struggling to see what clubs wouldn’t start him. We get caught in this loop of thinking our players are shit because they don’t suit how we want to play while forgetting there’s plenty of teams out there who would pay good money because he does suit how they play.
I remember posters laughing at getting more than 5m for Perreira as the more recent example.
Same with Maguire. A deep laying bank of 8 would suit Scott and Maguire to the ground. I can see why West Ham would be interested but we are going to get caught out selling them cheaply because we think our players are the shits.
We can’t really say on one hand West Ham can spend their money on better players while discussing a transfer that would see Scott and Harry take up 3/4 of the transfer fee of the prized player. It’s like we’re being double bluffed
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I’ve no doubt that he’d fit in at West Ham, but that would be his level. He would not be a West Ham player so impressive that he is targeted by better clubs. Those players are the only ones who West Ham end up selling for more than 25m. Like if they had sold Jarrod Bowen after scoring 17 goals, or if they sell Rice now. They wouldn’t get more than 25m for the West Ham level players they have, which I would guess would be the category Scott would join.

They have spent more than that on players who are the best players at selling clubs in a bid to try to either take the club forward or to hopefully flip. Players like Paqueta, Scammaca, Fornals etc. These are also young players who join clubs like West Ham as a stepping stone to hopefully bigger and better. McTominay is not one of these players. He would be a signing who has already been judged at higher level and is now dropping to play regular football at amore suitable level. Those players aren’t worth 40m to West Ham IMO.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Mayuire and McT both worth 20M :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You guys play way too much FM.

McT is easily a £30-35M player.
Maguire would command the same.
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Have never played FM in my life thank Christ.

For most other clubs yeah Maguire and McTominay should be worth 30-40 million. But for a club like us who are normally quite poor at selling for decent amounts in the player plus cash swap I can definitely see us undervaluing the two of them and paying more cash.

In an ideal world West Ham would take 40/45 million plus the 2 of them but can see them wanting much more cash out of the deal.

And I would be amazed if we get anywhere near 30/35 million for Maguire/McTominay if sold on their own.
 
Lash said:
I personally don't see how he fits in with Mount if we intend to play the double 8. He's not good enough on the ball to be the 6 and if he's the other 8, then Jesus wept...
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Doesn't make much sense to me either, maybe Casemiro as 8? Mount and Rice would be very strange, really should be either of them at best and preferably none.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Doesn't make much sense to me either, maybe Casemiro as 8? Mount and Rice would be very strange, really should be either of them at best and preferably none.
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I can get on board with Casemiro and Mount as the 8s and I think it would work. That would require a much better passer from deep than Rice, I guess he would play the "Alvarez" role, but I'm not convinced he's as good on the ball as him.
 
Please no. Let's save the funds for other positions. Not only is a DM not a priority, Rice has always made me nervous whenever I watch him. He moves like Maguire. I can see him flopping at a big club where every mistake gets memed up.
 
No clue why we'd be in for Declan Rice when we could get Moises Caicedo for a lower fee who is an all around better player.

Let Arsenal have him, sell them Mctominay, and go all in for Caicedo.
 
He wants to go to Arsenal boys

Stop getting your hopes up, best we get here is we’re helping West Ham extract some more cash out of Arsenal that they can then spend on McTominay
 
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