Declan Rice | signs for arsenal

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Koldbeer2021 said:
I think west ham have looked at what other fees have been like for established internationals from England (Maguire 89m, Grealish 100m, Bellingham 113, etc) and setting their price along those lines.

Sadly as someone else said 75+ 15 from a City level side probably is in the ballpark as you can believe those add ons. Arsenal same deal may as well just get labelled as 75m as those types of addons are aspirational for a side that has had one quality season in the last x number of seasons in a league awash in money now.

When viewed in that lens 75m is below par for an established first team England International moving towards his prime years, like the example above.

A believable 90-100m will get him I suspect. 120m from my team is just posturing for the fans sake imo.
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From all the updates the issues pointed out have not been the total package is inadequate. Most have raised that base free is low and addons structure not correct.

I understand and agree that sometimes the addons can be just for glamour.
That is why I feel probably this get done at say 80m fixed + 10m gettable add ons (like no CL win or ballon d'or clause which we included in Mudryk bid but still PL win maybe added here).
If WestHam is fixated on 100m then all those absurd add-ons will start to pop up.

(By the way have you also considered the length of the contract Grealish was on when City came knocking. Rice just has 1 year to go and an option for 1 more year which most likely would cost some amount in loyalty bonuses to trigger otherwise that would have been triggered long back)
 
Changeisgood said:
This is simply put too much money. I want the best in the world for this position for that kind of money. I have the feeling 100 mil is our ceiling but that is already too much. Rice is a good player, but I do not put him in the world class bracelet. Let West Ham keep him or sell him to some team with infinite money.
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Wanting the best in the world is one thing, being able to sign the best in the world at current state Arsenal is another. I can't see getting a better player for that kind of money unless there is a higher risk gamble. I'll take Rice for 100m and let's move on to other positions.
 
roonster09 said:
What's the fee West Ham are expecting? 100 million fixed + addons?
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It’s a lot but I still think someone will pay that.

Maybe £100m including achievable add ons (like normal appearance and goal add ons) plus another £25m in crazy add ons (wins CL, wins ballon d’or).
 
OrcaFat said:
It’s a lot but I still think someone will pay that.

Maybe £100m including achievable add ons (like normal appearance and goal add ons) plus another £25m in crazy add ons (wins CL, wins ballon d’or).
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Yeah Rice will be sold, maybe Arsenal or City.

I think West Ham won't agree to any "win trophy" clause, it would probably be a non payable clause as per them.
 
DJBillRemfry said:
Somewhere between Enzo Fernandez and Jude Bellingham numbers.

The big issue Arsenal have, is a lack of credibility with add-ons.

If Bayern, Real Madrid, Man City came to West Ham and offered £75m upfront with £25m in addons about winning titles , West Ham would very possibly take it. When Arsenal make the same offer, it's really just £75m. Arsenal have no credibility as a title winning team these days.
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How do you know what the add ons are? I didn't realise you were privy to the contract.

Or are you under the impression that add ons can literally only be about winning a league title or CL?
 
I would consider it a massive win if we were to somehow replace the McFred axis with Rice and Rabiot.
 
Seems Rice has his heart set on living in London though. Perhaps he is more open to moving than we think.

Clubs generally want the dosh to buy their own cheap targets rather than these hard to conclude player deals.
 
Rice is quality but I don’t think best use of the funds, or the profile we need to replace Eriksen in the team either. I’m also not sure he’s better than Caicedo, and I reckon Lavia at half the price is also better value.

But I do like Dex.
 
Berbaclass said:
Possibly
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If we wanted to buy Scott from West Ham he would cost a lot more than 25m. It’s not as if he has high wages that necessitates a lower fee.
We really need to stop low balling ourselves when selling players. He may not be good enough to have us challenging for the league but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t stand out in a lot of teams below us
 
Also, does the fact it’s a swap allow both sides to inflate fees for ffp purposes?
 
Player swaps are just going to take way longer than Arsenal changing a payment structure. You have to negotiate the value of two players, two players have to negotiate terms, two payment structures.
 
Lash said:
Player swaps are just going to take way longer than Arsenal changing a payment structure. You have to negotiate the value of two players, two players have to negotiate terms, two payment structures.
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Depends if the players included make it a better deal for West Ham. They aren't going to get much value in the market from anyone when teams know they have just received £100 million. Getting two players who they like at a price they pretty much decide might be more beneficial than just straight cash.
 
cyberman said:
If we wanted to buy Scott from West Ham he would cost a lot more than 25m. It’s not as if he has high wages that necessitates a lower fee.
We really need to stop low balling ourselves when selling players. He may not be good enough to have us challenging for the league but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t stand out in a lot of teams below us
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Yea but we wouldn’t want to buy Scott from West Ham, which is the point. And if he were impressive enough at West Ham to attract United, then he’d basically be Declan Rice, which he isn’t. We should be very careful about rejecting 25m for him, otherwise he’d still be here in September.

People also need to realise that PL clubs have options. They can buy a lot better than Scott McTominay for 40m or whatever you fee his true value is.
 
Berbaclass said:
Depends if the players included make it a better deal for West Ham. They aren't going to get much value in the market from anyone when teams know they have just received £100 million. Getting two players who they like at a price they pretty much decide might be more beneficial than just straight cash.
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Of course, but it's not in their interest to value our players high. I doubt they'll value Scott more than 25m and still expect us to pay £80m on top of it. It will be a shit deal for us.
 
I reckon 50-60 million, Maguire and McTominay would be an offer West Ham would seriously consider.

They are looking for 100 million for Rice arent they? Maguire and McTominay would surely add up to at least 40 million by most teams valuations.
 
Robertd0803 said:
I reckon 50-60 million, Maguire and McTominay would be an offer West Ham would seriously consider.

They are looking for 100 million for Rice arent they? Maguire and McTominay would surely add up to at least 40 million by most teams valuations.
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Mayuire and McT both worth 20M :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You guys play way too much FM.

McT is easily a £30-35M player.
Maguire would command the same.
 
Hope the news of us signing Rice is just a rumor. Naturally, getting rid of McT and/or Maguire is a bonus but I just don't see us benefiting from Rice at all. We already have Casemiro who'll serve us well for another 2-3 seasons at least. If anything, we should be looking at a younger player who doesn't mind sitting on the bench. Rice-Casemiro also doesn't seem like a balanced pairing as well. It would be quite weird if we spend the equivalent of a 100 million for a rare position where we have a world class player.

I was actually looking forward to Arsenal blowing their budget on Havertz and Rice and then dropping down to 6th or below.
 
cyberman said:
Also, does the fact it’s a swap allow both sides to inflate fees for ffp purposes?
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this would be a bonus for both clubs, but at the same time this is what brought down the juventus board, and perhaps clubs are more wary of being caught out. although we you consider whats happening with the saudi / chelsea moves...
 
Rozay said:
Yea but we wouldn’t want to buy Scott from West Ham, which is the point. And if he were impressive enough at West Ham to attract United, then he’d basically be Declan Rice, which he isn’t. We should be very careful about rejecting 25m for him, otherwise he’d still be here in September.

People also need to realise that PL clubs have options. They can buy a lot better than Scott McTominay for 40m or whatever you fee his true value is.
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If anybody wanted to buy Scott from West Ham he’d cost more than 25m then. How much did Felipe Anderson cost alone?
25m is saying Scott is valued way less than Aguerd who cost 35m euros and played 18 league games last season.
 
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