A good £15m-£20m short still and that's without factoring in the believability of the 'add-ons' in the total amount.
Declan Rice | signs for arsenal
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West Ham would be mad to accept that.
It's starting to look like they don't have enough money.
They're trying the same sort of things with Ajax and Chelsea for Timber and Havertz.
They're trying the same sort of things with Ajax and Chelsea for Timber and Havertz.
They seem to be in for everyone at the moment it's funny.
Seen them linked strongly with
Rice
Lavia
Havertz
Timber
Boey
I feel like you are unaware of how business works ha. You don't just meet the asking price off the bat, especially when it's a £100m move. We've only made 2 offers. The third will probably be £80+20, which I think will get it done or be very close to.
What we don't know is the structure of all the payments and bonuses etc. We probably are aware Rice only wants Arsenal (as per many reports), so don't want to overpay.
How much money do you think there is in the budget?
I made a long post in another thread but i'll copy it here:
I've posted this elsewhere but this is how I imagine we'll do this summer:
Ramsdale
White - Saliba - Gabriel - Zinchenko
Rice
Saka - Odegaard - Havertz - Martinelli
Jesus
Turner
Timber - Tomiyasu - Kiwior -Tierney (Or same price new LB)
Jorginho
Nelson - Vieira - Lavia - ESR
Trossard
Hein
Holding
Elneny
Nketiah
Rice - 90m
Timber - 40m
Havertz - 55m
Lavia - 40m
Total: £225m. (Our reported budget is around £200m).
And then we'll try and sell:
Out: £125m
Xhaka - £15m
Partey - £25m
Balogun - £25m (wants to leave, ideally with buy back)
Patino - £10m (wants to leave, ideally with buy back)
Tavares - £15m
Mari - £5m (already sold)
Trusty - £10m (was their POTS)
Pepe - £15m (will be tough)
Cedric - Free
Runarsson - Free
Loan:
BNC
Marquinhos
Okonkwo
Walters
Sambi - Ideally to Burnley
So the overall spend is around £100m (not too bad). Obviously it's a dream world to sell all those players, although I think most could be doable, Pepe being the tough one.
White - Saliba - Gabriel - Zinchenko
Rice
Saka - Odegaard - Havertz - Martinelli
Jesus
Turner
Timber - Tomiyasu - Kiwior -Tierney (Or same price new LB)
Jorginho
Nelson - Vieira - Lavia - ESR
Trossard
Hein
Holding
Elneny
Nketiah
Rice - 90m
Timber - 40m
Havertz - 55m
Lavia - 40m
Total: £225m. (Our reported budget is around £200m).
And then we'll try and sell:
Out: £125m
Xhaka - £15m
Partey - £25m
Balogun - £25m (wants to leave, ideally with buy back)
Patino - £10m (wants to leave, ideally with buy back)
Tavares - £15m
Mari - £5m (already sold)
Trusty - £10m (was their POTS)
Pepe - £15m (will be tough)
Cedric - Free
Runarsson - Free
Loan:
BNC
Marquinhos
Okonkwo
Walters
Sambi - Ideally to Burnley
So the overall spend is around £100m (not too bad). Obviously it's a dream world to sell all those players, although I think most could be doable, Pepe being the tough one.
Actually if selling club is looking for insane money you just don't pay and move on like Mudryk. You maybe test the waters but this whole public process is tiring. And 100m is an insane demand. Maybe someone can pay it and the reason why ManCity gets mentioned but other wise i see this getting done for 80m + addons
What's the fee West Ham are expecting? 100 million fixed + addons?
Bonkers for a player who wants to leave, has been told can leave, is a defensive midfielder, and plays for a team not in Europe. And who's contract isn't huge. And also wants to only join Arsenal apparently..
West Ham are in the Europa League
you lot are mad.This is insane money, but which good player is not overpriced now ?
Can we agree that overpriced is not a scale and nowadays players at 100M are common things?
Antony at 100 is overpriced, such as Ben White at 50M for sure, but if we take the market of 10 years ago to judge today's market it's not a good assessment.
To me, Rice is worth the money as he would improve massively the balance of any top team in the league, or in Europe. Then the question is what is your budget and do you want to spend all of this in one starter that will increase the quality of your group (like Casemiro) or do you want to spend your money on prospect or second choices ?
This is the same as Harry Kane or Kim or anyone else that would improve your team. You need a player, you pay his qualities and this is what Arsenal are doing well this summer (presumly)
Can we agree that overpriced is not a scale and nowadays players at 100M are common things?
Antony at 100 is overpriced, such as Ben White at 50M for sure, but if we take the market of 10 years ago to judge today's market it's not a good assessment.
To me, Rice is worth the money as he would improve massively the balance of any top team in the league, or in Europe. Then the question is what is your budget and do you want to spend all of this in one starter that will increase the quality of your group (like Casemiro) or do you want to spend your money on prospect or second choices ?
This is the same as Harry Kane or Kim or anyone else that would improve your team. You need a player, you pay his qualities and this is what Arsenal are doing well this summer (presumly)
So is that the fee they are expecting?
Yeah it's insane, like most transfers, too valuable for selling team and not that much worth it for buying club.
Probably going to cost more than Bellingham
Ah ye that's true, was thinking league position not cup win
I don't blame West Ham for aiming for £120m, aim high. But, realistically £100m all in is about right at max.
Even if you pay £100m for him, I think he’s still worth it to be honest. Ramsdale, Saliba, Rice, Odegaard is a very very good spine. Not to mention Martinelli, Saka and Jesus around them too. All young and talented. I think you lot are definitely heading in the right direction.
Ironically if United bought him, his fee would be an issue and the fans would use it as a stick to beat him with
Correct.
~90m with 10m addons will do it.
Little Arsenal, always offering beans to pay for gold.
Same argument as for Bellingham. When you see Grealish, Sancho, Antony moving for huge fees, Bellingham and Rice are absolutely worth their (rumoured) fees.
I see flop written all over this transfer. Far too much money
Romano expecting City to enter the race like one of those late tags in a WWE tag team match, come flying in smashing out bids.
The way your lot trying to keep the number below the magical 100... reminds me of Maguire sadly
Can't be that far off the final price given what Bellingham went for/their potential. That said, I guess that's the difference when dealing with PL clubs.
The price would be about 20m more if a PL club went for Bellingham.
I can see this being agreed by next week.
Somewhere between Enzo Fernandez and Jude Bellingham numbers.
The big issue Arsenal have, is a lack of credibility with add-ons.
If Bayern, Real Madrid, Man City came to West Ham and offered £75m upfront with £25m in addons about winning titles , West Ham would very possibly take it. When Arsenal make the same offer, it's really just £75m. Arsenal have no credibility as a title winning team these days.
I don't think Rice offers enough to be worth close to £100m. Feels strange that this is this one they're going all in on, especially when they baulked at the Caicedo price in January.
Not saying he's better right now, but certainly seems to have more to his game to make him worth that extra investment.
Not saying he's better right now, but certainly seems to have more to his game to make him worth that extra investment.
I've been told by a high up youth coach at West ham (worked with Rice closely) that it's a 'huge' length of payments. Rumours are 6 years but I wouldn't be shocked based of what I've heard it might be a little longer.
I've not heard of add ons, but rumours are its stuff like CL, Prem wins. Given Man City dominance hard to look past them and others will be better. As for CL, never say never but its a heck of an ask, who your drawn against in the ko rounds matter.
I think we want 100 million from this deal, add ons are OK if they are believable but clearly the club dont believe it and 75 million falls short vs other big clubs transfers for similar level English players in the past.
I understand add-ons can make things complicated.
Bellingham all-in is 113m (assuming all add ons are met). He is a younger, most would say is already a better player with much much higher potential. I just dont understand the 100m+ pricetag in that respect. While I understand he may be as much or even more valueable to West ham but I don't agree when they say its the going rate.
Going to end up at city isn’t he 
another good character in their squad.
another good character in their squad.I think west ham have looked at what other fees have been like for established internationals from England (Maguire 89m, Grealish 100m, Bellingham 113, etc) and setting their price along those lines.
Sadly as someone else said 75+ 15 from a City level side probably is in the ballpark as you can believe those add ons. Arsenal same deal may as well just get labelled as 75m as those types of addons are aspirational for a side that has had one quality season in the last x number of seasons in a league awash in money now.
When viewed in that lens 75m is below par for an established first team England International moving towards his prime years, like the example above.
A believable 90-100m will get him I suspect. 120m from my team is just posturing for the fans sake imo.
Those who even consider paying anything close to those prices should not be in charge of any team. Shocking to even think about it. It is like when we payed for Maguire and Pogba. Average players somehow getting their price inflated. For that money you can get 4-5 equal or better players in that position.
We should stay away. Stay far, far away from this. We have already made this misstake couple of times.
Another overrated, expensive English player.
This is simply put too much money. I want the best in the world for this position for that kind of money. I have the feeling 100 mil is our ceiling but that is already too much. Rice is a good player, but I do not put him in the world class bracelet. Let West Ham keep him or sell him to some team with infinite money.
Ya, for that money no thanks.
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