Beachryan
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A 3 of Casemiro, Rice and Bruno would be amazing. It's too nice a thing for us, sadly.
Would be decent but I hardly see that as amazing.A 3 of Casemiro, Rice and Bruno would be amazing. It's too nice a thing for us, sadly.
But we don't need to replace Casemiro now, we just need a backup for him. There is no way Rice would be coming here to sit on the bench.
Mount would replace Eriksen and be an upgrade on him.
He has. He is an elite character and, if he isn’t already, will be an elite player in the absolute top bracket. He is the type of player that SAF would have kidnapped to make sure he didn’t go somewhere else.Hoping we get him, he's got the right attitude.
Valid points but we do need to replace Casemiro. He's quite old and he gets suspended a lot. We also need to replace Eriksen, just with someone better than Mount. Plus I could see Rice and Casemiro playing together behind Bruno.
Yep much like KMJ. Its a rinse and repeat thing.Clearly our name being used for negotiation
No we don't, Casemiro age wise and fitness wise is fine. He's played one season for us and in that season alone he's been sent off the same amount of times as he had for Madrid in his whole career there. I HIGHLY DOUBT we will see anything like this next season with Casemiro. There was a slight adjustment to the league here and having to be the enforcer due to us having feck all else of real quality. Eriksen needs cover which Mount would offer perfectly and he's a good player who is just after having a poor season. Rice and Casemiro would offer us more defensive cover for the bigger games and would allow us to rest Casemiro in the lesser games. Mounty would offer some quality and more energy over Eriksen over the course of the season.
Would be decent but I hardly see that as amazing.
I mean, we paid £80m in up front for Maguire a few years ago...80 million for Rice is a derogatory offer? TV deal really fecked up any sense of value in PL.
I mean, we paid £80m in up front for Maguire a few years ago...
like who? who is available right now who can give the club at least eight years, unless, of course injured? This is the price now. I remember people who said £1m was too much for a player...No way we're spending 100m on Rice. That is Andy Carroll stupid. I hope Arsenal does.
Good player, but for a player who does nothing more than defend and pass well, 100m is on the verge of insanity.
For 100m you can get players who are way more deciding individually in a game than Rice is.
like who? who is available right now who can give the club at least eight years, unless, of course injured? This is the price now. I remember people who said £1m was too much for a player...
Eriksen needs replacing certainly, but Casemiro not yet. They are a reason why we shouldn't be looking at bringing players of a similar age in though. And that means whoever they are in my opinion, not widely shared I know.Valid points but we do need to replace Casemiro. He's quite old and he gets suspended a lot. We also need to replace Eriksen, just with someone better than Mount. Plus I could see Rice and Casemiro playing together behind Bruno.
Of course we need a striker... but ETH has made it quite clear that he wants to reinforce the midfield. And the 17 clean sheets mean nothing at all: look how many we actually conceded!Just because no one great is available doesnt mean Rice at 100m is a good way of spending money.
with around 17 clean sheets and a lack of goals for United, then maybe 100m on attack is better spent surely?
Grealish is probably a similar example and cost £100m. Rice is an English player, regular for England, key player for West Ham and their captain. I think £80m being a derisory bid just represents the state of the market (which I agree is fecked).And no one argued he was value for money. It's not even that Rice will cost higher than 80 ( he will be 100 million) but someone calling 80 million offer as derisory is just fecked up.
If you want to play "but what about Maguire" game then check all the great players City, Liverpool signed for much less than 80 million.
17 of those goals came in 3 games.Of course we need a striker... but ETH has made it quite clear that he wants to reinforce the midfield. And the 17 clean sheets mean nothing at all: look how many we actually conceded!
Of course we need a striker... but ETH has made it quite clear that he wants to reinforce the midfield. And the 17 clean sheets mean nothing at all: look how many we actually conceded!
Mad isn't it, the 5 years I thought is quite standard too.80 million for Rice is a derogatory offer? TV deal really fecked up any sense of value in PL.
Mad isn't it, the 5 years I thought is quite standard too.
That is an fair offer considering what Bellingham just went for. I have a feeling they're going to back themselves in a corner with this position. I even saw them trying to suggest 75m + Maguire and Mctominay as a fair deal.
80 million for Rice is a derogatory offer? TV deal really fecked up any sense of value in PL.
Depends how those deals are structured. To West Ham it certainly is if that 80m was spread out in 5 payments of 16m for example. Even two 40m fees is a bit low. I'd expect they'd argue a 50m base fee at least is fair and I'd agree with them. This is a player that is their club captain, an established international player at one of the top nations of the past 4ish years, has just won the Conference League POTS and is about to enter his prime as a footballer. To other clubs he might not be worth that but in terms of what other midfielders are suggested to go for like Caicedo, who is as valuable to Brighton it's not ridiculous for these clubs to value their players as such. Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that Mac Allister wouldn't have gone for more if he didn't have a release clause.
Arsenal are not paying 50 million as base fee, they are paying 80 million.
Maybe you are saying they should get 50 million upfront and rest in installments, that's fair enough and usually transfers are done in installments (except very few). 80 million in 2 years is not derisory either.
I have already said it few times, Rice wont be sold for 80 million, it will be easily 100+ million, the point i raised is, calling 80 million as derogatory is just ridiculous. That's just 10-20 million short of their reported asking price.
I genuinely think Rice wants UTD move i dont buy this talk that he wants to stay in London. He has said in an interview he loves playing at old trafford on 2 seperate occasions, what a magnificent stadium it is etc.
Now we are in champions league and on the rise we must be an attractive propostion for him.
The Shaw comments add fuel to the fire, clearly ETH wants him too and why not, he is just what we need in terms of character and ability. We just cant sit by dormant and watch our rivals snap him up, said the same about Grealish and look what a season he has just had.
Grealish wasn’t that great this season?I genuinely think Rice wants UTD move i dont buy this talk that he wants to stay in London. He has said in an interview he loves playing at old trafford on 2 seperate occasions, what a magnificent stadium it is etc.
Now we are in champions league and on the rise we must be an attractive propostion for him.
The Shaw comments add fuel to the fire, clearly ETH wants him too and why not, he is just what we need in terms of character and ability. We just cant sit by dormant and watch our rivals snap him up, said the same about Grealish and look what a season he has just had.
I genuinely think Rice wants UTD move i dont buy this talk that he wants to stay in London. He has said in an interview he loves playing at old trafford on 2 seperate occasions, what a magnificent stadium it is etc.
Now we are in champions league and on the rise we must be an attractive propostion for him.
The Shaw comments add fuel to the fire, clearly ETH wants him too and why not, he is just what we need in terms of character and ability. We just cant sit by dormant and watch our rivals snap him up, said the same about Grealish and look what a season he has just had.