De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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I don't really understand the logic of 30 mil is too much for a goalkeeper.

Why is it?

It's the most specialised position on the pitch.

"A striker can win a game for you though".. so can a goalkeeper, as we have seen numerous times...

If a striker is injured you can throw a winger or attacking mid / number 10 etc up there if you are desperate and it's still a relatively easy transition, all players practice finishing now etc as well. Same goes for replacing attacking mids etc

Run out of goalkeepers/goalkeeper sent off etc and try replace him with another outfield player with the same easy transition, not gonna happen.

Goalkeepers are the most specialised position and are as important if not more so than some outfield players yet for some reason it's completely ludicrous to pay half the fee of what a striker, winger, midfielder or defender in DDG's ability bracket would command?

20-25 mil would be an insult considering his ability, growth and age.

Especially considering we spent 17.75 mil on him.
 
XdanielredX said:
I don't really understand the logic of 30 mil is too much for a goalkeeper.

Why is it?

It's the most specialised position on the pitch.

"A striker can win a game for you though".. so can a goalkeeper, as we have seen numerous times...

If a striker is injured you can throw a winger or attacking mid / number 10 etc up there if you are desperate and it's still a relatively easy transition, all players practice finishing now etc as well. Same goes for replacing attacking mids etc

Run out of goalkeepers/goalkeeper sent off etc and try replace him with another outfield player with the same easy transition, not gonna happen.

Goalkeepers are the most specialised position and are as important if not more so than some outfield players yet for some reason it's completely ludicrous to pay half the fee of what a striker, winger, midfielder or defender in DDG's ability bracket would command?

20-25 mil would be an insult considering his ability, growth and age.

Especially considering we spent 17.75 mil on him.
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You are right but with a year left in the contract everything changes
 
Even Suarez a guy who is considered a despicable person by many on here signed a new contract for Liverpool knowing full well he was going to go, this also let Liverpool get more money from his sale as opposed to the £40million in his previous buyout clause.

De Gea is a grade a cnut if he doesn't sign and leaves for €25million Euros which is basically less than what we paid for him.

Also Real Madrid are probably going to reap benefits of another player we developed into a world class talent just like they did with Ronaldo(Even he signed a new contract).
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I'm uncomfortable with shrugging this off lads, we're set to lose the best 'keeper in the league for a relatively low amount of money. I'd wish for better at Manchester United to be honest.
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under normal circumstances he probably would have been pushed to extend his contract last summer but it was probably a combination of the club having more important shit to deal with and he also wanting to see what direction we were going in.

Ive often thought that if a player wont extend with 2 years left then he should be sold, because at 1 year the player has too much power over the club - but clearly things are never that simple.

anyway it is not yet 100% sure that he is leaving, although clearly it doesnt look good.
 
its a crying shame people on a forum know how to run the club better than those currently in place, who are printing their own money :rolleyes:
 
Slight tangent from the primary matter of discussion, but this whole De Gea situation (considering the rumors have some substance) kind of makes you realize the importance of having top quality players from the home nation or even countries with similar culture, language or climate for clubs in that specific league. If United had signed a British or Irish goalkeeper comparable to De Gea instead of him, we could definitely sleep soundly for a decade and maybe beyond with the knowledge that given the club's profile, we are the summit for that footballer. And by virtue of his nationality there'd really be no extraneous cultural or footballing motivation for him to leave United and uproot his family to join the likes of Madrid or Barcelona. eg. If Gareth Bale was at United instead of Tottenham, there's about a 0% chance of him signing for Real Madrid irrespective of circumstances.

Footballers aren't idealists or 100% professionals in practise, the big Spanish duo and Italian clubs pre-2010s always had an advantage when it came to attracting and retaining bigtime South American or Iberian players/ talents like Neymar or Rivaldo for example. Not only could they offer/ can offer them massive wages and chance for silverware, there are subsidiary factors including shared historical roots, language, culture, mild climate which makes the transition very easy for the players, their partners and children. In light of that, De Gea and even Ronaldo's trepidation is kind of understandable and from their perspective, they might even view us as the penultimate step towards the top. But in the past, English clubs could somewhat compensate for that by the high level and production rate of British players to form the backbone of the team, so the bigger clubs had an inherent upper hand when it came to the likes of Best or Keane or Giggs or Scholes or Dalglish or players of that caliber who stayed put for the long term. Just like Bayern Munich has a natural allure for German players in recent seasons, magnified by with the emergence of a wave of quality talent in the BuLi.

By comparison, Premier League clubs are now at a major disadvantage because of the increasing disparity in quality between Spanish and Brazilian and Argentine and Uruguayan footballers (who will probably angle towards Madrid or Barcelona as soon as interest becomes apparent) vs their British counterparts, in conjunction with the talent drain due to the inevitable departures of the likes of Suarez and maybe De Gea once they reach a certain profile level. From a United-centric perspective, I sure hope the quality of British or Irish talent regains the level they had in the past when there was a host of world class players to choose from, so we could sign a Cole or Keane or Scholes or other players of equivalent quality without having to worry about the long term hassles or threats of future transfer maneuvers.
 
Invictus said:
Slight tangent from the primary matter of discussion, but this whole De Gea situation (considering the rumors have some substance) kind of makes you realize the importance of having top quality players from the home nation or even countries with similar culture, language or climate for clubs in that specific league. If United had signed a British or Irish goalkeeper comparable to De Gea instead of him, we could definitely sleep soundly for a decade and maybe beyond with the knowledge that given the club's profile, we are the summit for that footballer. And by virtue of his nationality there'd really be no extraneous cultural or footballing motivation for him to leave United and uproot his family to join the likes of Madrid or Barcelona. eg. If Gareth Bale was at United instead of Tottenham, there's about a 0% chance of him signing for Real Madrid irrespective of circumstances.

Footballers aren't idealists or 100% professionals in practise, the big Spanish duo and Italian clubs pre-2010s always had an advantage when it came to attracting and retaining bigtime South American or Iberian players/ talents like Neymar or Rivaldo for example. Not only could they offer/ can offer them massive wages and chance for silverware, there are subsidiary factors including shared historical roots, language, culture, mild climate which makes the transition very easy for the players, their partners and children. In light of that, De Gea and even Ronaldo's trepidation is kind of understandable and from their perspective, they might even view us as the penultimate step towards the top. But in the past, English clubs could somewhat compensate for that by the high level and production rate of British players to form the backbone of the team, so the bigger clubs had an inherent upper hand when it came to the likes of Best or Keane or Giggs or Scholes or Dalglish or players of that caliber who stayed put for the long term. Just like Bayern Munich has a natural allure for German players in recent seasons, magnified by with the emergence of a wave of quality talent in the BuLi.

By comparison, Premier League clubs are now at a major disadvantage because of the increasing disparity in quality between Spanish and Brazilian and Argentine and Uruguayan footballers (who will probably angle towards Madrid or Barcelona as soon as interest becomes apparent) vs their British counterparts, in conjunction with the talent drain due to the inevitable departures of the likes of Suarez and maybe De Gea once they reach a certain profile level. From a United-centric perspective, I sure hope the quality of British or Irish talent regains the level they had in the past when there was a host of world class players to choose from, so we could sign a Cole or Keane or Scholes or other players of equivalent quality without having to worry about the long term hassles or threats of future transfer maneuvers.
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Good post. To get what you say english clubs should use the tv benefits to improve football academies,scouts,coaches or training grounds, however for that, it´s necessary much patience, something that lacks in modern football
 
carvajal said:
Good post. To get what you say english clubs should use the tv benefits to improve football academies,scouts,coaches or training grounds, however for that, it´s necessary much patience, something that lacks in modern football
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Yeah, to be fair it goes in cycles so maybe another generation is overdue but a more grass roots level overhaul is kind of needed, and any such process will require both time and patience. Germany might be a good blueprint to take inspiration from. They were sort of in the doldrums in the late 90s/ early 2000s but a change in policy paid dividends with the emergence of Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Neuer, Goetze and so forth. If British clubs once again start producing players of the quality of the Class of '92; or Seaman, Owen, Carrick, Campbell, Lampard, Ferdinand, Terry like they did before the early 2000s, they'd be in a much healthier state with the infusion of local talent which will make the league better by stopping the reverse quality drain, plus there's the added benefit for the national team setup.
 
It's worth the "risk" of signing Iberian/South American players because there are loads of top class ones and only so many of them can play for Barcelona and Real Madrid. It worthwhile to sign another Silva/Sanchez/Aguero, and the lesser players like Herrera and Mata are even less risky in that regard. Anyway, Welsh players are not immune to the attractions of Real Madrid either.
 
As much as I want to get mad at Real Madrid for taking our players, I can't. I'm a Yankee fan and we basically do the same exact thing every year.
 
cyberman said:
This really annoys me. Weve developed Ronaldo / De Gea / Pogba and havent seen anything close to their prime here. What's the point? We have the money so lets go for the finished articles, we're sacrificing more mediocre seasons for these players to develop and when they do, theyre gone and we have to regroup to replace them.
It isn't worth it.
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I agree, it's getting to the point where just buy the finished article, because these so called developing players are jumping ship once they come full circle. On the other hand we doing this because they are already settled at of course Madrid and barca mainly, and it's getting tougher than ever now to get to the top.

During the early millennium barca Madrid were not throwing their weight, they bought the odd top player or 2 here and there, now they are going full out, and taking full advantage of the location and history of the big 2 clubs in Spain, we will always be a step behind on these fronts. It's hard to compete with a club who's location is Madrid and Barcelona, and our location is Manchester, especially for that special type of player

Ronaldo and DDG are perfect examples, that having the worlds best players are becoming barca and Madrid players only. Every time we try and build something special, the vultures set us back a year or 2. It seems blasphemy in today's game that clubs outside Madrid and barca dare have one of the best players in the world, it's the cliche now that they go on to play for the sideshow circus that is Madrid and barca, that is just the reality
 
Good post by invictus, I've been saying it for a while now and been told to get a grip, we do need to tone down on signing Iberian players. They come good and want to move to Barca or Madrid, If De Gea was German or even French, I'd be more confident of him staying at United inthe long term.
 
Invictus said:
Slight tangent from the primary matter of discussion, but this whole De Gea situation (considering the rumors have some substance) kind of makes you realize the importance of having top quality players from the home nation or even countries with similar culture, language or climate for clubs in that specific league. If United had signed a British or Irish goalkeeper comparable to De Gea instead of him, we could definitely sleep soundly for a decade and maybe beyond with the knowledge that given the club's profile, we are the summit for that footballer. And by virtue of his nationality there'd really be no extraneous cultural or footballing motivation for him to leave United and uproot his family to join the likes of Madrid or Barcelona. eg. If Gareth Bale was at United instead of Tottenham, there's about a 0% chance of him signing for Real Madrid irrespective of circumstances.

Footballers aren't idealists or 100% professionals in practise, the big Spanish duo and Italian clubs pre-2010s always had an advantage when it came to attracting and retaining bigtime South American or Iberian players/ talents like Neymar or Rivaldo for example. Not only could they offer/ can offer them massive wages and chance for silverware, there are subsidiary factors including shared historical roots, language, culture, mild climate which makes the transition very easy for the players, their partners and children. In light of that, De Gea and even Ronaldo's trepidation is kind of understandable and from their perspective, they might even view us as the penultimate step towards the top. But in the past, English clubs could somewhat compensate for that by the high level and production rate of British players to form the backbone of the team, so the bigger clubs had an inherent upper hand when it came to the likes of Best or Keane or Giggs or Scholes or Dalglish or players of that caliber who stayed put for the long term. Just like Bayern Munich has a natural allure for German players in recent seasons, magnified by with the emergence of a wave of quality talent in the BuLi.

By comparison, Premier League clubs are now at a major disadvantage because of the increasing disparity in quality between Spanish and Brazilian and Argentine and Uruguayan footballers (who will probably angle towards Madrid or Barcelona as soon as interest becomes apparent) vs their British counterparts, in conjunction with the talent drain due to the inevitable departures of the likes of Suarez and maybe De Gea once they reach a certain profile level. From a United-centric perspective, I sure hope the quality of British or Irish talent regains the level they had in the past when there was a host of world class players to choose from, so we could sign a Cole or Keane or Scholes or other players of equivalent quality without having to worry about the long term hassles or threats of future transfer maneuvers.
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Yes very good post, this is why Madrid are on 10 European cups and we are on 3, they have a much higher percentage of the best players going to them. That is why in 2009 we settled for Valencia, and they grabbed ronaldo.
 
He had the opportunity to show his talent receiving 100 shots each game, at Chelsea would have been completely different

I think he is easily replaceable, and there is the opportunity to receive some good player on a swap (Isco, Varane)
 
Oneunited26 said:
Yes very good post, this is why Madrid are on 10 European cups and we are on 3, they have a much higher percentage of the best players going to them. That is why in 2009 we settled for Valencia, and they grabbed ronaldo.
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No, we are on 3 European cups because we had a midfield consisting of Giggs and Carrick.
 
Oneunited26 said:
I agree, it's getting to the point where just buy the finished article, because these so called developing players are jumping ship once they come full circle. On the other hand we doing this because they are already settled at of course Madrid and barca mainly, and it's getting tougher than ever now to get to the top.

During the early millennium barca Madrid were not throwing their weight, they bought the odd top player or 2 here and there, now they are going full out, and taking full advantage of the location and history of the big 2 clubs in Spain, we will always be a step behind on these fronts. It's hard to compete with a club who's location is Madrid and Barcelona, and our location is Manchester, especially for that special type of player

Ronaldo and DDG are perfect examples, that having the worlds best players are becoming barca and Madrid players only. Every time we try and build something special, the vultures set us back a year or 2. It seems blasphemy in today's game that clubs outside Madrid and barca dare have one of the best players in the world, it's the cliche now that they go on to play for the sideshow circus that is Madrid and barca, that is just the reality
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I don´t think that Madrid and Barça are vultures, or classless clubs as was said previously.I have a friend that call it "food chain". Atletico fans could think the same about United. They lost the most promising goalkeeper in Spain because a bigger club came and they couldn´t do anything. They had to negociate a goalkeeper on loan during years. The same about Herrera and Athletic, a club that hardly can find basque players. United is a big competence for Madrid, maybe 30 years ago was different. United is the second club in Forbes list and probably in some years will be the first.For Madrid is important to show to investors and sponsors that we choose the best players from the second richest club and we buy it (as other reasons, spaniard, former atletico player, good goalkeeper)
 
Oneunited26 said:
I agree, it's getting to the point where just buy the finished article, because these so called developing players are jumping ship once they come full circle. On the other hand we doing this because they are already settled at of course Madrid and barca mainly, and it's getting tougher than ever now to get to the top.

During the early millennium barca Madrid were not throwing their weight, they bought the odd top player or 2 here and there, now they are going full out, and taking full advantage of the location and history of the big 2 clubs in Spain, we will always be a step behind on these fronts. It's hard to compete with a club who's location is Madrid and Barcelona, and our location is Manchester, especially for that special type of player

Ronaldo and DDG are perfect examples, that having the worlds best players are becoming barca and Madrid players only. Every time we try and build something special, the vultures set us back a year or 2. It seems blasphemy in today's game that clubs outside Madrid and barca dare have one of the best players in the world, it's the cliche now that they go on to play for the sideshow circus that is Madrid and barca, that is just the reality
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It's getting harder and harder for Real and Barca to compete with us financially, I think De Gea will be one of the last players to move from United to Madrid.
 
Nanook said:
It's getting harder and harder for Real and Barca to compete with us financially, I think De Gea will be one of the last players to move from United to Madrid.
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With FFP Barca and Real are the two clubs that can compete with us financially.
 
RamblingRebel said:
DDG is just waiting for CL qualification.
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Dunno if it can be a reason

The qualification is only to the playoffs, I don't know if this team against a hypothetical Lazio/Roma/Napoli in august would reach the qualification, I have some doubt.
 
I haven't been keeping up today, what has changed that it is looking worse than before for us?
 
bucky said:
I haven't been keeping up today, what has changed that it is looking worse than before for us?
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A culmination of things. The League being almost over, him only having a year left on his contract and LVG saying he's been offered a very lucrative contract. The more time that pass the less likely his signature seems. edit; Ah today. Nah nothing, we're just all gloomy cos Mondays are shit.
 
Silva said:
A culmination of things. The League being almost over, him only having a year left on his contract and LVG saying he's been offered a very lucrative contract. The more time that pass the less likely his signature seems. edit; Ah today. Nah nothing, we're just all gloomy cos Mondays are shit.
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Okay :lol:
 
@Invictus I made a similar point in the Hart thread that for a position like GK, having a "good" player who is likely to see out his career with you might be better than a "great" player whose loyalty is questionable.
 
Walrus said:
@Invictus I made a similar point in the Hart thread that for a position like GK, having a "good" player who is likely to see out his career with you might be better than a "great" player whose loyalty is questionable.
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Joe Hart was amazing in 11/12 season, For some reason he just can't maintain that form for a whole season.
 
::sonny:: said:
1 yr on the bench for me, if he doesn't extend the deal.
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I agree - petty as feck of course and cutting our nose off to spite our face, but feck it - the way the rumours have been building over the season and now the insulting rumoured fee, then feck it, we're strong enough to at least make it difficult.
 
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