De Gea Contract Situation

[Mersault]

£40 million for a 'keeper in the final year of his contract is absurd money to be honest.

Yes, but in the context of buying him for loads at the time, and immediately putting our trust in him with SAF protecting him every chance he could when he was error-prone and easily intimidated, bringing him through to become one of the best goalies in the world, it would represent a shit deal for us and if he were looking out for the club at all, even if he wants to join the cnuts, he'd sign a new deal purely so we could get adequate compensation.

If we cannot get him to sign a new contract - and I'd be surprised if we can't (even if it were to include a generous release clause in the event of no CL football) - I'd rather we hold onto him for another season in the attempts of changing his mind and showing Real they can go feck themselves, which would mean they'd waste another peak year of Ronaldo with a keeper that is fast on his way from used-to-be-great to a liability.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Why because it's Madrid or because it's De Gea ?

No, I'm assuming they're the club he'll eventually sign for. I'm saying I wouldn't sell to them unless it's a big bid, the same applies to any other club interested in him.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Yes, but in the context of buying him for loads at the time, and immediately putting our trust in him with SAF protecting him every chance he could when he was error-prone and easily intimidated, bringing him through to become one of the best goalies in the world, it would represent a shit deal for us and if he were looking out for the club at all, even if he wants to join the cnuts, he'd sign a new deal purely so we could get adequate compensation.

If we cannot get him to sign a new contract - and I'd be surprised if we can't (even if it were to include a generous release clause in the event of no CL football) - I'd rather we hold onto him for another season in the attempts of changing his mind and showing Real they can go feck themselves, which would mean they'd waste another peak year of Ronaldo with a keeper that is fast on his way from used-to-be-great to a liability.

I feel the same. Another year of de Gea is worth more to us than £20 odd million.

 

[JPRouve]

Wait, what? Only Messi is in his class.

I rate him individually but not collectively, i think that a player like Modric is more instrumental, like i rate Yaya Touré individually but not collectively.

Edit: For some reason i see Ronaldo as the cherry on the cake when i see Messi as a part of the cake.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

No you don't, which is fair enough. I just wouldn't sell to Madrid unless they're prepared to bid stupid money. £20 million isn't much to us.

Particularly as we paid 17.8 mill for him when he was nowhere near the level he is now and was a risk. 30 - 40 mill has to be the figure.

 

[JPRouve]

No, I'm assuming they're the club he'll eventually sign for. I'm saying I wouldn't sell to them unless it's a big bid, the same applies to any other club interested in him.

So you prefer let him go on a free than sell him ? That's the thing that i don't understand, i interpret that as misplaced pride.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

Yes, but in the context of buying him for loads at the time, and immediately putting our trust in him with SAF protecting him every chance he could when he was error-prone and easily intimidated, bringing him through to become one of the best goalies in the world, it would represent a shit deal for us and if he were looking out for the club at all, even if he wants to join the cnuts, he'd sign a new deal purely so we could get adequate compensation.

If we cannot get him to sign a new contract - and I'd be surprised if we can't (even if it were to include a generous release clause in the event of no CL football) - I'd rather we hold onto him for another season in the attempts of changing his mind and showing Real they can go feck themselves, which would mean they'd waste another peak year of Ronaldo with a keeper that is fast on his way from used-to-be-great to a liability.

Yes. Which males the Valdes deal even more understandable.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

So you prefer let him go on a free than sell him ? That's the thing that i don't understand, i interpret that as misplaced pride.

Yeah, like I said above, another season of de Gea is worth more to us than £20 odd million. Unless Madrid, or which ever club, are prepared to go as high as £40 million, or thereabouts, I wouldn't sell.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

So you prefer let him go on a free than sell him ? That's the thing that i don't understand, i interpret that as misplaced pride.

No it's actually good business (for a club with our resouces) when you look at the long term. Otherwise you will continue to lose your best players to Madrid. In terms of revenues etc we're pretty equal. So there's more to this than making our money back.

 

[JPRouve]

No it's actually good business (for a club with our resouces) when you look at the long term. Otherwise you will continue to lose your best players to Madrid. Money-wise they're our most direct competitors.

It's not good business at all, and we are not competitors Money-wise. United, Munich, Madrid and Barcelona are a cartel, they control the market and share the profits.
Even only 20m would be better than nothing because that's 20 less millions to spend on a replacement, it's also good to create a good relationship with Madrid, that's how you can purchase their players cheaper.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

It's not good business at all, and we are not competitors Money-wise. United, Munich, Madrid and Barcelona are a cartel, they control the market and share the profits.
Even only 20m would be better than nothing because that's 20 less millions to spend on a replacement, it's also good to create a good relationship with Madrid, that's how you can purchase their players cheaper.

A bit like how they gave us di Maria for a truck load of money when we gave them relative bargains like Beckham, Heinze, van Nistelrooy and Ronaldo.

 

[Super Nani]

Yeah, like I said above, another season of de Gea is worth more to us than £20 odd million. Unless Madrid, or which ever club, are prepared to go as high as £40 million, or thereabouts, I wouldn't sell.

Completely agree with this, unless we get top money for him it would be very foolish to let him go. One more season with him in goal is simply worth more to us than any offer we are likely to get from Madrid at this stage. I honestly dread to think where our team would be right now in the league without him. Woodward needs to get that new contract for him sorted as soon as possible so this doesn't drag on. Hopefully though he's very happy here and won't be as lured to Real due to his previous ties to Atletico.

 

[JPRouve]

A bit like how they gave us di Maria for a truck load of money when we gave them relative bargains like Beckham, Heinze, van Nistelrooy and Ronaldo.

That's our own fault, Mitten wrote an article about that, United is isolated, for years the club acted as if he didn't needed connections, and for example we are apparently the only club who doesn't participate to scouting forums.

 

[legball]

He will be here in the near future, Real is being used a leverage to get him a good contract, not sure what people are worried about, he's not leaving now or in 2016.

 

[Mersault]

Why would Real-linkage be needed to negotiate a new contract? If van Persie is worth 180-200K a week, then it's glaringly obvious de Gea deserves at least that. Back-to-back best performer. I don't think his camp need any leverage.

 

[Moriarty]

That's our own fault, Mitten wrote an article about that, United is isolated, for years the club acted as if he didn't needed connections, and for example we are apparently the only club who doesn't participate to scouting forums.

I recall reading something on here about a gathering of top agents and suchlike that happens a couple of times a year. Clubs send their representatives to these events and it's where business gets done. Apparently we don't attend. Maybe under LVG, that'll change.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

It's not good business at all, and we are not competitors Money-wise. United, Munich, Madrid and Barcelona are a cartel, they control the market and share the profits.
Even only 20m would be better than nothing because that's 20 less millions to spend on a replacement, it's also good to create a good relationship with Madrid, that's how you can purchase their players cheaper.

Nonsense. There is no cartel because many players will choose where they will win trophies. And right now that isn't us. Therefore that gives Madrid a competitive advantage over us.

What I'm saying is that in the long term it makes more financial sense that Madrid know they won't get bargain basement out of us. Sell for 20 mill now and they'll be back again for a cheap deal after they've been chatting to the agents. We don't need 20 mill as much as we need Madrid to get the message – pay the going rate or sod off. Plenty of Prem clubs have done it with Utd for the exact same reasons.

 

[JPRouve]

Nonsense. There is no cartel because many players will choose where they will win trophies. And right now that isn't us. Therefore that gives Madrid a competitive advantage over us.

You said money-wise not transfer wise or title wise.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

You said money-wise not transfer wise or title wise.

Yes, money wise we're equals – so why would we need 20 mill off Madrid? We don't. We're not Southampton.

Football wise we're at a disadvantage right now.

So: get Madrid to pay the fair fee. Or keep him.

But don't sell at a bargain rate of 20 mill and give them the best goalkeeper out there. That is bad business.

 

[JPRouve]

Yes, money wise we're equals – so why would we need 20 mill off Madrid? We don't. We're not Southampton.

Football wise we're at a disadvantage right now.

So: get Madrid to pay the fair fee. Or keep him.

But don't sell at a bargain rate of 20 mill and give them the best goalkeeper out there. That is bad business.

You don't understand what i said, in football, in business, politics, relations are good.

If we can't keep De Gea more than a year selling at a bargain price to Madrid can be beneficial for us, why ?

Because, if we want Varane or Bale or Modric, they will be more inclined to listen our offers, they might refuse but they will be inclined to sit at the table.
When you act like billy big bollocks because you have money or because you are a big club, you end up like an idiot when you propose 40m for Kroos and Bayern say no, and when Madrid come with 20m they say, yes. While explaining that the precedent deals and good relationship helped.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Surely De Gea appreciates the support the fans gave him when he had a rough start to his career? I would be amazed if he jumped ship at the first opportunity after everything.

If it is the case though that he is leaving and that's that - we sell him now for the biggest amount we can. We will look ridiculous letting arguably our best player leave for free to our rival. It'll be worse than Pogba all over again.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

You don't understand what i said, in football, in business, politics, relations are good.

If we can't keep De Gea more than a year selling at a bargain price to Madrid can be beneficial for us, why ?

Because, if we want Varane or Bale or Modric, they will be more inclined to listen our offers, they might refuse but they will be inclined to sit at the table.
When you act like billy big bollocks because you have money or because you are a big club, you end up like an idiot when you propose 40m for Kroos and Bayern say no, and when Madrid come with 20m they say, yes. While explaining that the precedent deals and good relationship helped.

As someone else said above the evidence is very much to the contrary in terms of Madrid. If they sell to us at all, they make sure they get a massive fee. Bayern is a different case.

Us and Madrid, while not footballing rivals right now, are deadly business rivals. Only they come close in terms of global reach. We'd be total mugs to become a feeder club to them – which we effectively would be selling DDG for 20 mill.

You have to think long term.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Surely De Gea appreciates the support the fans gave him when he had a rough start to his career? I would be amazed if he jumped ship at the first opportunity after everything.

If it is the case though that he is leaving and that's that - we sell him now for the biggest amount we can. We will look ridiculous letting arguably our best player leave for free to our rival. It'll be worse than Pogba all over again.

Still think his girlfriend living in Spain is the issue, otherwise he's completely happy here.

 

[Cassidy]

Still think his girlfriend living in Spain is the issue, otherwise he's completely happy here.

Someone either needs to assasinate her, or get her drunk, shag her and put the video evidence on instagram.
Get it done, before summer please!

EDIT: If you have enough charm, maybe you don't even need to get her drunk...

 

[JPRouve]

As someone else said above the evidence is very much to the contrary in terms of Madrid. If they sell to us at all, they make sure they get a massive fee. Bayern is a different case.

Us and Madrid, while not footballing rivals right now, are deadly business rivals. Only they come close in terms of global reach. We'd be total mugs to become a feeder club to them – which we effectively would be selling DDG for 20 mill.

You have to think long term.

Because United act like lone wolves, there isn't one club who has good relationship with us, not one, United doesn't like agents too, except Mendes who had good relationship with Ferguson.
Peter Kenyon is one of the most powerful agent and we don't use him.

Long term ? You are thinking about 12 years top, i'm thinking about several decades.

 

[JinnerJamie]

As someone else said above the evidence is very much to the contrary in terms of Madrid. If they sell to us at all, they make sure they get a massive fee. Bayern is a different case.

Us and Madrid, while not footballing rivals right now, are deadly business rivals. Only they come close in terms of global reach. We'd be total mugs to become a feeder club to them – which we effectively would be selling DDG for 20 mill.

You have to think long term.

Beckham, Ruud, Heinze and Ronaldo, that ship set sail long ago. Ruud and Heinze were on there way out regardless, Beckham was pushed and Ronaldo had a dream. De Gea will just be another name they've taken from us.

 

[ivaldo]

Beckham, Ruud, Heinze and Ronaldo, that ship set sail long ago. Ruud and Heinze were on there way out regardless, Beckham was pushed and Ronaldo had a dream. De Gea will just be another name they've taken from us.

Erm hardly, if those players were being pushed out, its quite the opposite really, along with Hernandez and excluding Ronaldo they've taken our recjects.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

Because United act like lone wolves, there isn't one club who has good relationship with us, not one, United doesn't like agents too, except Mendes who had good relationship with Ferguson.
Peter Kenyon is one of the most powerful agent and we don't use him.

Long term ? You are thinking about 12 years top, i'm thinking about several decades.

What you say is just hearsay. All anyone can base it on is what has always happened with Madrid.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

Beckham, Ruud, Heinze and Ronaldo, that ship set sail long ago. Ruud and Heinze were on there way out regardless, Beckham was pushed and Ronaldo had a dream. De Gea will just be another name they've taken from us.

Those examples are different to DDG. Beckham was got rid of, same with Ruud, Ronaldo went for 80 million, Heinze not in this league at that point.

DDG, highly valued at the club, but sold for 20 mill doesn't compare.

 

[JPRouve]

What you say is just hearsay. All anyone can base it on is what has always happened with Madrid.

What happened with Madrid ? we sold them three unwanted players, Heinze, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy. And we sold them Ronaldo at a world record price.

And you missed the part that it's only, if De Gea wants to go there, otherwise they will have to pay the price. Basically if it's the same scenario than Kroos.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

What happened with Madrid ? we sold them three unwanted players, Heinze, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy. And we sold them Ronaldo at a world record price.

They got Beckham on the cheap and made much more from shirt sales – they took advantage of disharmony. And they got Ruud on the cheap in the same way,

They also did better out of the deal with Ronaldo in the end. Though 80 million was probably a fair price at the time.

Now how many players have we signed from them? And how much was he?

I've explained my reasoning enough now. 20 mill for DDG would be shooting ourselves in the foot. Hopefully the club know that.

If there is some swap deal with a comparable player then fine. But I don't believe it for a second based on Madrid's track record in transfers.

 

[JPRouve]

They got Beckham on the cheap and made much more from shirt sales. Same with Ronaldo. And they got Ruud on the cheap. All players they'd been sniffing round.

How many players have we signed from them? And how much was he?

So no plan for the future ? Everything is set in stone, we will never try to sign a player from them ? And it's better to let them have De Gea free, than creating a new business relationship ?

 

[JinnerJamie]

Those examples are different to DDG. Beckham was got rid of, same with Ruud, Ronaldo went for 80 million, Heinze not in this league at that point.

DDG, highly valued at the club, but sold for 20 mill doesn't compare.

If he hasn't signed a new deal by the summer then the club would be better to cash in on him while he had some value to trade with. Now I agree 20m does seem quite low but he isn't going to fetch a record fee simply because of the amount of time remaining on his deal.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

If he hasn't signed a new deal by the summer then the club would be better to cash in on him while he had some value to trade with. Now I agree 20m does seem quite low but he isn't going to fetch a record fee simply because of the amount of time remaining on his deal.

This is true. And ideally it's not a position we should have ourselves in. But with the transition going on it's going to be harder to keep players if Madrid come sniffing. My argument is that 20 million is not worth devaluing ourselves for long term.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

So no plan for the future ? Everything is set in stone, we will never try to sign a player from them ? And it's better to let them have De Gea free, than creating a new business relationship ?

What are you on about? So there's 'no future' without Madrid calling the tune? Is that what you're saying?

A one sided business relationship is the future?

 

[Vato]

Why is the monumental douchebag sitting in an office chair in the middle of the room?

 

[JPRouve]

What are you on about? So there's 'no future' without Madrid calling the tune? Is that what you're saying?

Calling the tune ? I'm thinking about Bale, Varane, Modric or other players who have been linked with us.

And you are the one afraid that if we sell them De Gea we will become a feeder club and that Madrid will come take our players one by one, at leat that's how i understand it.

Edit: And i do not think that De Gea worth 20m/year.
And 20m represents 80% of United profits last year, so it's not nothing.

 

[Silverman]

I'm starting to get worried that he may leave. I don't think Victor Valdes is good enough to replace him. If he does go then we should be sure to get a bagful of money £50 million and up or Gareth Bale.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

Calling the tune ? I'm thinking about Bale, Varane, Modric or other players who have been linked with us.

And you are the one afraid that if we sell them De Gea we will become a feeder club and that Madrid will come take our players one by one, at leat that's how i understand it.

That's just speculation – how many years has Modric been linked with us for a start? And if it means we get 20 million off the 100 mill Madrid would ask for Bale then no.

And yes, clearly I'm saying that we shouldn't go down that road, whereas you seem quite happy to.

 

[Vato]

Champions League football. Finishing in the top 4 is an absolute must this season.

I'm really starting to think this is the sole reason he hasn't put pen to paper.

If he signs a new deal I'm pretty sure it'll be when you mathematically secure that top 4 spot. If you don't I wouldn't be surprised to see him pack his bags.