De Gea Contract Situation

[united_99]

Well yeah, Mourinho is after all not releasing a statement threatening him, is he?
However if some fans want to believe that United can't do anything differently and it's pure coincidence why players don't leave Chelsea or why ruthless clubs like Chelsea or RM get so much money even for players they don't want to keep, then they are free to believe it.

 

[Nighteyes]

Not at all. If you read other posts carefully I am not a poster who has digs at our club, the opposite actually. That doesn't mean that I am not allowed to critisize the club at all or state what they could do differently or where they could learn from other clubs.
And as someone who has watched almost every Atletico game last year I do know (after reading a lot about it) that if it was in Courtois' hands he would have stayed at Atletico.
I am also sure United will learn from this and will from now on extend contracts 2 or even 3 years before they expire.

Unless you are Courtois himself you cannot know that.

We can go off reports in the papers at best which is what you've been doing in this thread. The rumours of Mourinho's alleged comments only popped up when the Barca were supposedly interested in him. At which point Courtois demanded first team football if he wanted to sign a new contract. Mourinho agreed.

Quite blatantly, it's nowhere near that straightforward with De Gea and there are other factor at play. Hell, we've reportedly offered 200k for a keeper. That's the club doing everything they possible can to get him to sign a new deal.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Talk sport is quoting Marca.
"ll that needs to be completed, according to the report, is a transfer fee between the two clubs, with United wanting as much as £40million, while Real are keen to keep the figure around £30m."

Not happy about this. I know I was foolish but I was still hoping he would want to stay.
Can't blame him for wanting to go to RM but it's not nice to lose our best player to them twice now.

 

[Speak]

We'll get close to £40 million, I think. Maybe we shouldn't, but we will.

 

[Red Dreams]

not about money I think....

we'll be alright.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Not happy about this. I know I was foolish but I was still hoping he would want to stay.
Can't blame him for wanting to go to RM but it's not nice to lose our best player to them twice now.

Well at least I hope we'll get that 40 mil.

 

[endless_wheelies]

A few "Please Stay David De Gea" style placards tomorrow wouldn't hurt.

 

[united_99]

You can't do that,well at least you can't expect that, it's a bilateral decision, the club doesn't have more power than the player.

Well but you can then at least ensure that you get a decent fee (like we did with Ronaldo, so there was nothing more the club could have done apart from getting a huge fee).
After all our (and Barca's and other clubs') interest in Koke forced Atletico to extend his contract 3 times in 18 months. This way his release clause is now also 60 mil €. So if he leaves they'll at least get incredible money for him.
The club needs to adapt especially with more and more foreign players coming in. After all if almost every player gets his own way every single time it won't end well for us eventually.

 

[JPRouve]

Well yeah, Mourinho is after all not releasing a statement threatening him, is he?
However if some fans want to believe that United can't do anything differently and it's pure coincidence why players don't leave Chelsea or why ruthless clubs like Chelsea or RM get so much money even for players they don't want to keep, then they are free to believe it.

Who would have left Chelsea for another big club ? Only Ashley Cole, Robben and Terry had that level.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Well yeah, Mourinho is after all not releasing a statement threatening him, is he?
However if some fans want to believe that United can't do anything differently and it's pure coincidence why players don't leave Chelsea or why ruthless clubs like Chelsea or RM get so much money even for players they don't want to keep, then they are free to believe it.

Rumour is a rumour. If you want to believe a rumour believe.
Only thing that United could have done by your account is to threaten him.

 

[Scorpy]

I find some of your posts totally surrealistic although I understand it as keeping the pride of the club.You make some rules for transfers affecting United but what about players that United wants without the consent of their clubs?.Otamendi for example,Valencia has said several times that they dont want to sell but United is still insisting,should the player stay until the end of the contract? .Being spaniard is an interesting point for Madrid but they will try to sign the best players in the world,doesn't matter the nationality.

Actually the nationality if one of the biggest factors. You wouldn't have bothered going after De Gea (let alone stood a chance of getting him) if his name was something like David Jones. Same thing goes for Bale - you wouldn't have gotten him if he was playing for United instead of Spurs.

Ronaldo and De Gea (if he leaves) are unique exceptions due to their culture and nationality. Ronaldo's dream was to establish himself as one of the best players in Spain and De Gea, well, obviously wants to return to his home city because of his girlfriend.

Mentioning Beckham, Heinze and Ruud Van Nistelrooy is not worth it as United were willing to sell them anyway.

 

[JPRouve]

Well but you can then at least ensure that you get a decent fee (like we did with Ronaldo, so there was nothing more the club could have done apart from getting a huge fee).
After all our (and Barca's and other clubs') interest in Koke forced Atletico to extend his contract 3 times in 18 months. This way his release clause is now also 60 mil €. So if he leaves they'll at least get incredible money for him.
The club needs to adapt especially with more and more foreign players coming in. After all if almost every player gets his own way every single time it won't end well for us eventually.

Who told you that we won't have a decent price ?

And Koke is a Madrid boy obviously he will sign a new contract, the only thing United can do is sell De Gea in 2014, sell De Gea in 2015 or let De Gea leave for free.

 

[Traub]

40m would be a fantastic deal even if he had a something like 3 years left on his deal! There is no way we will get close to that. It's almost as much as what was agreed for falcao - a striker who was at the pinnacle.

 

[Oggmonster]

A few "Please Stay David De Gea" style placards tomorrow wouldn't hurt.

Probably wouldn't hurt, be massively cringing and embarrassing though. If Liverpool fans had "Please stay Suarez" placards everyone on here would be taking the piss of them, same with City and Toure. If he wants to leave let him, don't have to beg him to stay.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Who told you that we won't have a decent price ?

And Koke is a Madrid boy obviously he will sign a new contract, the only thing United can do is sell De Gea in 2014, sell De Gea in 2015 or let De Gea leave for free.

Yeah, if we sell him now and get 40 mil, I'd say that's a nice price it not a great price.

 

[carvajal]

Actually the nationality if one of the biggest factors. You wouldn't have bothered going after De Gea (let alone stood a chance of getting him) if his name was something like David Jones. Same thing goes for Bale - you wouldn't have gotten him if he was playing for United instead of Spurs.

Ronaldo and De Gea (if he leaves) are unique exceptions due to their culture and nationality. Ronaldo's dream was to establish himself as one of the best players in Spain and De Gea, well, obviously wants to return to him home city because of his girlfriend.

Mentioning Beckham, Heinze and Ruud Van Nistelrooy is not worth it as United were willing to sell them anyway.

Of course,I said "try",probably Florentino would have been happy bringing Rooney years ago but he couldn't.I mean that we will be trolling in future if the player deserves it

 

[united_99]

Rumour is a rumour. If you want to believe a rumour believe.
Only thing that United could have done by your account is to threaten him.

Not really. They could have offered him an extension after 1, 1 1/2 or 2 years already. We did it with Chicharito (offered him a new 5 years contract 1 year after he had signed with us) and some others.
It was a bit naive of us to think we would be fine while both Casillas and Valdes were getting older at RM and Barca.
Threatening is the last option and only if the player also "threatens" to run down his contract.
However if we indeed get 30 + mil £ for him then we are actually playing hardball which is fine with me.

 

[Speak]

40m would be a fantastic deal even if he had a something like 3 years left on his deal! There is no way we will get close to that. It's almost as much as what was agreed for falcao - a striker who was at the pinnacle.

There's always a way when Madrid are the buying club. If he's this years Galactico, and we hold firm, we could be looking at £30 million +

 

[Steven Seagull]

Not really. They could have offered him an extension after 1, 1 1/2 or 2 years already. We did it with Chicharito (offered him a new 5 years contract 1 year after he had signed with us) and some others.
It was a bit naive of us to think we would be fine while both Casillas and Valdes were getting older at RM and Barca.
Threatening is the last option and only if the player also "threatens" to run down his contract.
However if we indeed get 30 + mil £ for him then we are actually playing hardball which is fine with me.

What if he said no?

 

[elmo]

Screw him and Real if he leaves. Mendes can get out from our club if that happens too.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Like most, of course I'd love him to stay, but we shouldn't have to beg him. We're Man United, for crying out loud. The biggest club in the world. If he wants to sign, he'll sign. If not, he won't. What he needs to remember is that we stuck by him when he wasn't playing so well. Not sure the same would have been said about Madrid, but the final decision will be his.

 

[united_99]

Who told you that we won't have a decent price ?

And Koke is a Madrid boy obviously he will sign a new contract, the only thing United can do is sell De Gea in 2014, sell De Gea in 2015 or let De Gea leave for free.

I don't know the price obviously. Naturally with just 1 year left on his contract we are not getting more than what we paid gor him. But if we manage to get 30 mil + £ then it is a devent fee.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Not really. They could have offered him an extension after 1, 1 1/2 or 2 years already. We did it with Chicharito (offered him a new 5 years contract 1 year after he had signed with us) and some others.
It was a bit naive of us to think we would be fine while both Casillas and Valdes were getting older at RM and Barca.
Threatening is the last option and only if the player also "threatens" to run down his contract.
However if we indeed get 30 + mil £ for him then we are actually playing hardball which is fine with me.

How do you know they didn't broach the subject with De Gea? Most likely the player was fine with 2.5 years left on his contract. The main reason I suspect Chicharito got an extension was because he was on so low wages anyway when he first joined.

 

[elmo]

There's always a way when Madrid are the buying club. If he's this years Galactico, and we hold firm, we could be looking at £30 million +

feck Real, stump up the cash if they want the player. De Gea can sit his sorry ass on the bench if he refuses to sign a new contract and Real wants to cheapen out on a deal.

 

[Will Singh]

Not sure where £40m came from as all the reports when this story broke was €30m which is nearly half of £40m!

 

[Empire]

Tottenham makes always problems with transfers, they lie to their players that they will let them go with not much fuss if they stay one more season an similar things and even good players still extend contracts with Tottenham.

As far as I'm aware Spurs don't have a tendency of depriving players that want to leave of football with the intention of making them worse players.

 

[endless_wheelies]

Probably wouldn't hurt, be massively cringing and embarrassing though. If Liverpool fans had "Please stay Suarez" placards everyone on here would be taking the piss of them, same with City and Toure. If he wants to leave let him, don't have to beg him to stay.

If he's still undecided as Van Gaal seems to suggest then it would add emotional weight to the side of him that wants to stay, if we could put our embarrassment on hold for a few hours.

 

[Walrus]

feck Real, stump up the cash if they want the player. De Gea can sit his sorry ass on the bench if he refuses to sign a new contract and Real wants to cheapen out on a deal.

Yeah, and unless Real are really 100% confident of avoiding a transfer ban then they may not want to risk leaving it a year.

The balance of power really hinges on the potential transfer ban.

 

[united_99]

What if he said no?

Hard to believe a young gk who is improving and needed United very much back then would say no at that point.
We made Ronaldo sign a contract in April 2007 after all (by that time Madrid had unsurprisingly already declared their interest).

 

[diarm]

A few "Please Stay David De Gea" style placards tomorrow wouldn't hurt.

I despair.
We're Manchester United for crying out loud. He should be begging us to stay.

You sound like a sweaty teenager crying outside the bedroom of the girl who dumped him, begging her to still be friends.

 

[JPRouve]

I don't know the price obviously. Naturally with just 1 year left on his contract we are not getting more than what we paid gor him. But if we manage to get 30 mil + £ then it is a devent fee.

With the possible ban there is a clear chance that Madrid pay a lot for him.

 

[Clas Sified]

fecking hell David, we develop you from one of the weakest keepers in the prem who was getting destroyed week in week out into one of the greatest keepers in the world, and this is how you repay us...

I fecking hate Madrid.

 

[JPRouve]

Hard to believe a young gk who is improving and needed United very much back then would say no at that point.
We made Ronaldo sign a contract in April 2007 after all (by that time Madrid had unsurprisingly already declared their interest).

He wouldn't have, 2 years ago was Moyes first season and 1 year ago was Van gaal first season, no decent agent sign a new contract in those circumstances.

 

[hobbers]

I despair.
We're Manchester United for crying out loud. He should be begging us to stay.

This

Maybe some "They'll boo you in Spain" chants wouldn't go amiss though.

 

[itso 7]

40m would be a fantastic deal even if he had a something like 3 years left on his deal! There is no way we will get close to that. It's almost as much as what was agreed for falcao - a striker who was at the pinnacle.

Oh there is, just tell them where to shove their £30m and make him play reserve team football for that season. Faced with the prospect of Iker flapping about and Barca handing it to them, again they will pay. If they decide to wait it out well thirty million is short change to us anyway.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Well at least I hope we'll get that 40 mil.

Yeah

 

[Walrus]

fecking hell David, we develop you from one of the weakest keepers in the prem who was getting destroyed week in week out into one of the greatest keepers in the world, and this is how you repay us...

I fecking hate Madrid.

"This"

 

[Empire]

If David De Gea wants to leave, it makes sense to bring in his replacement as soon as possible. That would be this summer. De Gea took a couple of years to settle. In my opinion, the new keeper should be given that settling in period as soon as possible. The new keeper would be the starting keeper next year as that would be in the best interests of the club. De Gea being made to honour his contract is not an intentional punishment, just a consequence of him not being the most important first choice keeper for the progression of the team. Just as Lindegaard and Valdes weren't this year.

Not selling him to Real Madrid is more about denying a rival a world class player than punishing the individual.



Well argued.



Players who respect contracts and see Manchester United as every bit as big a club as Real Madrid.
There are plenty of players out there who see it that way, even if some of you don't.

You said:

As for depriving him of football, we have deprived a multiple European Cup and Spanish League winning goalkeeper of any football this year

We were talking about your suggestion of intentionally giving De Gea a season without football and so it's ridiculous to suggest Valdes' lack of football is comparable, he hasn't been intentionally deprived of football. Next you will argue Falcao has been deprived of football too. You play your best players, Valdes has been benched because De Gea is better and not because United intentionally want to deprive him of football. Hence why I said the point was dumb, I was speechless a poster on this forum actually thought Valdes' situation is comparable to what you want us to do to De Gea next season.

As for your first paragraph, you earlier stated:

I see more value in letting him sit out his contract on our bench, depriving Real of his services for a year and giving him a season without match practice.

You have stated we should deprive De Gea of football for the remainder of his contract with the intention of making him a worse player when he joins Real Madrid. How on earth do you expect to attract the best talent when you have the intention of making your existing world class players worse players if they want to move to another club?

And as for you final point, since when did De Gea say we are not as big a club as Real Madrid?

Out of interest, what would your stance be if Wayne Rooney came out tomorrow and said he wanted to sign for Liverpool?

Stop being unrealistic, you honestly think there is a chance Rooney will come out and say that?

I didn't want to laugh at the things you have said because you got so hurt by it when another poster did but you are taking your fantasies too far now.

What you have said is what the internet village idiot would say.

 

[JPRouve]

What you have said is what the internet village idiot would say.

 

[Kill 'em all]

I'm all for making him honour his contract unless we manage to sign a suitable replacement. We definitely shouldn't allow him to go before such replacement has been secured.