We're going along with the narrative that he was shit when he arrived now that it suits?
De Gea Contract Situation
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This is the reason I hate Madrid...For as long as I can remember they have been tapping up players through the media etc.
I never fancied him anyway, guv.
No but he is not handsome enough, for our brand.
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I just watched an entire game in the time it took you to construct an answer in which you spectacularly failed to understand my points.
You have taken most of my quotes you've used out of the context they used in.
I mentioned Valdes and Lindegaard (two fine goalkeepers) in response to other posters comments that it was somehow legally or morally wrong to keep a player who is not starting for you. You have said that you play your best players. This is not true, otherwise Hull City would be playing Jake Livermore this weekend. You play the players that are best for the club. If we are forced to sign a new keeper this summer, and we have a slightly better keeper who doesn't want to be here and is leaving at the end of next season, you play the keeper who is here to stay.
For the second quote, I did say those words. I would see more benefit in that than in being bullied into selling him to Real Madrid. But that is not my motivation for not wanting to sell him to Madrid. I've explained that to you several times now.
As for your last hilarious little retort, of course I don't think it's likely that Rooney will come out and ask to join Liverpool. It was a hypthetical question.
If you cannot see the similarities between an Everton fan asking to return to Liverpool, but to join his boyhood rivals instead, I can't teach you to.
If you cannot see the point I have valiantly tried to make about treating the rivals we want to compete with, just as harshly as we would the historic rivals like Liverpool who we should now be aiming several levels above, then we have hugely different ambitions for our club.
As for the laughing face, far from hurting me, it just brings to an end any respect I have for somebody who no longer has an intelligent argument to offer the debate.
I just watched an entire game in the time it took you to construct an answer in which you spectacularly failed to understand my points.
You have taken most of my quotes you've used out of the context they used in.
I mentioned Valdes and Lindegaard (two fine goalkeepers) in response to other posters comments that it was somehow legally or morally wrong to keep a player who is not starting for you. You have said that you play your best players. This is not true, otherwise Hull City would be playing Jake Livermore this weekend. You play the players that are best for the club. If we are forced to sign a new keeper this summer, and we have a slightly better keeper who doesn't want to be here and is leaving at the end of next season, you play the keeper who is here to stay.
For the second quote, I did say those words. I would see more benefit in that than in being bullied into selling him to Real Madrid. But that is not my motivation for not wanting to sell him to Madrid. I've explained that to you several times now.
As for your last hilarious little retort, of course I don't think it's likely that Rooney will come out and ask to join Liverpool. It was a hypthetical question.
If you cannot see the similarities between an Everton fan asking to return to Liverpool, but to join his boyhood rivals instead, I can't teach you to.
If you cannot see the point I have valiantly tried to make about treating the rivals we want to compete with, just as harshly as we would the historic rivals like Liverpool who we should now be aiming several levels above, then we have hugely different ambitions for our club.
As for the laughing face, far from hurting me, it just brings to an end any respect I have for somebody who no longer has an intelligent argument to offer the debate.
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Good post, as usual. You are a football encyclopediaSomething worth considering is that the goalkeeper position has historically been a very unsettled one under Van Gaal and Frans Hoek, especially once he gets settled into a club and starts exerting his influence. The situations might be different but there is consistent theme with incumbent goalkeepers when they enter their second season under Louis.
Ajax -
Stanley Menzo won the league, the UEFA Cup and the Cup Winner's Cup under Leo Beenhakker when Louis was the assistant manager. Replaced by a 21 year old Edwin Van der Sar in Van Gaal's second year incharge.
Barcelona -
Vitor Baia was considered to be one of the best keepers in La Liga, and the likes of Casillas or Valdes consider him to be their idol. But after some knee injury problems in Van Gaal's first year incharge, he fell out with the manager on a personal level; and was dropped permanently for Ruud Hesp, before subsequently being loaned out to Porto where he later won the European Cup under Mourinho.
Alkmaar -
The first team goalkeeper duties were alternated between Sergio Romero and Boy Waterman.
Bayern Munich -
Hans-Jorg Butt was the incumbent starter - a very experienced goalkeeper with 350+ appearances for the likes of Hamburg and Leverkusen, and Rensing was the second choice. Ultimately in the second year Van Gaal started Tomas Kraft, the third choice who was quite erratic at times and unsettled the defense. The decision was not warmly supported by Bayern's board and played a big part in getting him fired. Was apparently opposed to the idea of signing Manuel Neuer at first too.
A bit tinfoil hat-ish, but I hope this hasn't played a negative part in the rumors surrounding De Gea's departure, who I still refuse to believe is leaving. Denial mode activated.
So now that most of us are convinced that he'll be gone, do we genuinely think that we will get anything in return from Real?
In terms of money? why not?
Once the president has promised a signing to their fans, then he has to deliver that summer.
If their fans all have a hardon for DDG, and expect it to be delivered surely we can play it to our advantage, make them squirm and wait?
This is Real we're talking here, the same club who broke the world record fee for Bale, surely we can get 30mill off of them, If it were Chelsea i'm sure they would get 50mill in the same position.
I think we'll get a decent price for him, but I'm asking more in terms of getting a player coming our way from Real.
There are a lot of jokes with those covers among culés,although "abc","elconfidencial" or "eleconomista"(serious newspapers) months ago already were talking something similar.Maybe all it comes now for the defeat in C.L.If Barsa wins C.L,the day after they will give us more fleshFound this on reddit :
If it were Chelsea, Perez would be woken up in the middle of the night by two blokes called Boris and Igor wearing brass knuckles.
Gutted if he leaves.
Well, in fairness you could count the number of player swap deals on your fingers over the last decade, I'm sure they'd offer us some fringe squad players, that wouldnt be on our radar.
Everyone is thinking Bale, but.. nobodys actually 100% sure if he even wants to leave, or if Real will want to sell this summer, just because hes going through a tough time and boo's now isn't anything out of the ordinary for them, although the culture is alien to us, a couple seasons ago they were calling Modric the worst signing ever etc now they all love him.
Bring the old Obi Mikel squad back out of retirement
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As an aside, it would be interesting to see the reaction of local Atletico fans were De Gea to move crosstown. Had a brief conversation with one of them, and he said that David still has a lot of goodwill in their fanbase despite the decision to join United at a young age. But it would all change if he moves to Real, and he will be forever considered a rotten villain among the Atletico faithful because he had been at the club ever since he was a child and made a big deal of portraying himself as a dyed in wool red and white striped Colchonero when he was leaving, even went so far as to say he will rejoin the club one day. Guess all of that goes to pot with him potentially joining Real ?
He actually said that? If so, just goes to show you cannot take a footballer's words on face value, ever!
Hate that we're having to deal with this before the game vs Arsenal. Whilst there is a slim chance of 3rd we really need to be concentrating on getting a win to give ourselves a chance. The last time we had this big De Gea speculation was before the game vs Everton where he did not perform well at all (neither did the rest of the team as well). I really hope all this is put aside tomorrow and he gives his best whilst we're still paying him.
Back on topic - I'm pretty sure he's gone. The club's objective now is to get as much as they can for him.
Imho De Gea waited until Casillas' position was weakened at Madrid and then made his move - didn't fancy a fight with Iker. The simple reason is that he just wants to play for Real Madrid so we better just accept it and make sure we get as much as possible.
Back on topic - I'm pretty sure he's gone. The club's objective now is to get as much as they can for him.
Imho De Gea waited until Casillas' position was weakened at Madrid and then made his move - didn't fancy a fight with Iker. The simple reason is that he just wants to play for Real Madrid so we better just accept it and make sure we get as much as possible.
Revisionist bollocks.
He came with a big reputation and price tag. It took a season but he's delivered exactly what was expected of him, both in terms of quality goalkeeping and buggering off back to Spain when either Real or Barca came sniffing.
This is always the outcome you have to expect in this country when buying any Spaniard with world class potential. I don't blame him, I'm grateful for the quality performances he's given us to earn this move.
This is always the outcome you have to expect in this country when buying any Spaniard with world class potential. I don't blame him, I'm grateful for the quality performances he's given us to earn this move.
Not sure about Real, but maybe Mendes will be kind enough to knock 50 grand off Falcao's weekly wage and we'll get to keep him for just £200,000 a week
Yep. Last paragraph of his farewell letter :
"Winning a title there is a mix of smiles and tears. This is what happens to me now, tears because I am leaving, smiles for the illusion of something new, but also the assurance that someday I will return home. Thanks for everything."
To be honest, even as a United fan, I feel much worse for Atletico's supporters. We might have polished De Gea's final product since 2011, but the majority of the credit lies with Atleitco's youth teams that developed him from a very young age :
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Not only did they have sell him at age 20, if he joins Madrid, they'll be given a weekly and daily reminder of losing a player they considered one of their own. A player of De Gea's stature has never ever joined Real after playing at Atletico. Raul, arguably their biggest loss wasn't even an Atletico, product contrary to popular belief. He was there for just 2 seasons and left after Atletico's junior team was dissolved. David joining Real would be a historic blow.
Sign Leno and have him battle Valdes for playing time as he develops. That's the ideal situation IMO. In regards to De Gea likely leaving, I'm dissapointed, but definitely not devestated or panicking. Losing a world class keeper will hurt but not as much as losing the best player in the world in 2009. We rebounded from that transaction and still kept winning. We will be fine.
And you tell me to grow up?
It's an opinion I have. Sorry if it offends anyone, genuinely.
Do you really think that RM's interest in DeGea is only due to his contract situation? No it isn't. They would be interested in him no matter what and if he wants to leave he will.
I am not sure how bitter the rivalry is between Atletico-Real, but I was certainly very, very surprised when the Madrid rumors first surfaced. I had long felt that Barca were the only true threat, and once they signed Ter Stegen I thought DDG would pretty much retire here. Have Real Madrid ever expressed interest in Aguero? He's always been world class and one of the best forwards in the game, surprised they haven't tried to prise him away from City and I always thought it was because of his Atletico past.
It's a strong enough rivalry that Aguero went to City rather than Real directly, while Falcao went to Monaco even though Real were desperate for him. There have been players like Hugo Sanchez who played for both clubs but such instances are rare.
The Atleti fans will probably have an even stronger sense of betrayal after his open letter to them when he joined us.
@BobbyManc knows a bit more about why Real and City don't poach players from each other. Something about the business relationship between Mansour and Perez. He can fill you in better than I can about that.
I'd say Hugo Sanchez was a massive loss for Atleti, considering he was arguably one of the top 3 strikers in the world at the time.Yep. Last paragraph of his farewell letter :
"Winning a title there is a mix of smiles and tears. This is what happens to me now, tears because I am leaving, smiles for the illusion of something new, but also the assurance that someday I will return home. Thanks for everything."
To be honest, even as a United fan, I feel much worse for Atletico's supporters. We might have polished De Gea's final product since 2011, but the majority of the credit lies with Atleitco's youth teams that developed him from a very young age :
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Not only did they have sell him at age 20, if he joins Madrid, they'll be given a weekly and daily reminder of losing a player they considered one of their own. A player of De Gea's stature has never ever joined Real after playing at Atletico. Raul, arguably their biggest loss wasn't even an Atletico, product contrary to popular belief. He was there for just 2 seasons and left after Atletico's junior team was dissolved. David joining Real would be a historic blow.
The good thing about LVG is that he is more than familiar with the Bundesliga and will no doubt already know about him. If he deems him good enough then he will hopefully be snapped up.
In situations like this, I always wonder why European sports don't have a free agency system in place like we have here in the U.S. If a player is unhappy and wants to leave prior to their contract expiring, they can demand a trade therefor the team gets players in exchange. With this system, the players and agents will mostly have the power, not the club.
If DdG goes to Real, expect Calderon to resemble La Bombonera on derby day
They might not be willing to pay let's say around 40-50 mil £ we could demand if he still had 3 years left instead of 1. And if they were willing to pay that, then at least we would get double the amount we had invested into him. Whereas now we'll get much less and they'll get a world class gk for peanuts for a decade.
Sanchez was a big loss but in a very different situation to be fair. Hugo wasn't an Atletico product like David is, he wasn't a Madridista and joined them from Mexico at age 23. As his stature grew, it was kind of inevitable he would eventually leave. Teams who are a tier or so below the elite kind of become desensitized to the whole process of losing established players who have no real ties with the club, and are often considered bought and paid for 'mercenaries' - for lack of a better term.
David is to Atletico fans what someone like James Wilson is to United supporters, a local boy who grew up supporting the team from a very young age and has very deep roots in the club's setup (joined them at age 6).
IIRC even De Gea's grandfather and close family are Atletico supporters and he went to see their matches from a very young age :
He was with the club for a decade and a half, and a lot of what he expressed while leaving will be likely construed as lies by Atletico fans now. Bit tragic TBH.
No thanks, Players already have too much power.
They'll boo you in Spaaaain,
They'll boo you in Spaaaaain,
David de Gea, they'll boo you in Spain.
They'll boo you in Spaaaaain,
David de Gea, they'll boo you in Spain.
Whatever happens, we need (the fans) to stay classy!
Surely this involves a lot of cash?
As for Dave, top class Spanish wanted by his country's most powerful club. Anyone surprised? Makes you question whether we should invest in talented Spaniards though.
Yes. Simple and true.
Mansour funding the Bernabeu renovation or something along those lines I think he said.
Sanchez was a big loss but in a very different situation to be fair. Hugo wasn't an Atletico product like David is, he wasn't a Madridista and joined them from Mexico at age 23. As his stature grew, it was kind of inevitable he would eventually leave. Teams who are a tier or so below the elite kind of become desensitized to the whole process of losing established players who have no real ties with the club, and are often considered bought and paid for 'mercenaries' - for lack of a better term.
David is to Atletico fans what someone like James Wilson is to United supporters, a local boy who grew up supporting the team from a very young age and has very deep roots in the club's setup (joined them at age 6).
IIRC even De Gea's grandfather and close family are Atletico supporters and he went to see their matches from a very young age :
He was with the club for a decade and a half, and a lot of what he expressed while leaving will be likely construed as lies by Atletico fans now. Bit tragic TBH.
I always figured the "he wouldn't sign for Madrid" stuff was somewhat wishful thinking. Pretty interesting to see just how deep the ties are, and his farewell messages as well.
Could go down as one of the biggest mercenaries of the current generation at this rate.
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