roykeane19
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Why doesnt De Gea man up, and stops being a pussy,and clarify himself what is really going
How we could make him to extend his contract if he doesnt want to. By threatening him?I actually don't blame DDG, but rather the club (if anyone is to blame, really).
Ppl ask why this doesn't happen to Chelsea, well among other things they do have a ruthless owner/board and manager.
Take Courtois for example:
Last year this time he was having the season of his life with Atletico. His contract with Chelsea was due to expire in 2016 (just like DDG's). Courtois didn't have any bond with Chelsea and was feeling very happy at Atletico and settled in Madrid. There were a lot of rumours that he prefers to permanently sign with Atletico. Chelsea of course weren't having any of that. Mourinho told him that if he doesn't extend with Chelsea they will call him back and bench him for 2 years. Some weeks later he extended.
Now we could have done the same with DDG last year, we could even do it this year. Obviously if he is not happy at all to stay then we could still this way make him to extend in order to at least get us a higer fee when we sell him in 1-2 years.
So either we are happy that United still behaves in a "nice" way and treats their players "well" or we should be ruthless and thus get our way most of the time.
What we can't do is wanting to remain nice in everyone's eyes but still complain why Chelsea don't lose their players.
I actually don't blame DDG, but rather the club (if anyone is to blame, really).
Not really. Chelsea did threaten him after all and it was all over the Spanish papers. Either we remain diplomatic or turn ruthless. Both have their advantage and disadvantage. In the end the club needs to decide how to deal with these situations in future.How we could make him to extend his contract if he doesnt want to. By threatening him?
Offer is on the table but he's refusing to take it.
Situation with Curtois and Chelsea is a bit different too.
If you say so.Bullshit.
So you're saying club should have threaten him so he would sign the extension?Not really. Chelsea did threaten him after all and it was all over the Spanish papers. Either we remain diplomatic or turn ruthless. Both have their advantage and disadvantage. In the end the club needs to decide how to deal with these situations in future.
Back in the real world, players move clubs.
If every club adopted this ridiculous notion there would never be another transfer fee because everyone would move on a free.
Your position on all this is too romantic and idealistic, the club operates more pragmatically, thank feck.
He didnt do anything bad if he wants to leave?! So he didnt do anything bad,hell Madrid didnt do anything bad,let me guess somehow its our fault and we did something bad...
I actually don't blame DDG, but rather the club (if anyone is to blame, really).
Ppl ask why this doesn't happen to Chelsea, well among other things they do have a ruthless owner/board and manager.
Take Courtois for example:
Last year this time he was having the season of his life with Atletico. His contract with Chelsea was due to expire in 2016 (just like DDG's). Courtois didn't have any bond with Chelsea and was feeling very happy at Atletico and settled in Madrid. There were a lot of rumours that he prefers to permanently sign with Atletico. Chelsea of course weren't having any of that. Mourinho told him that if he doesn't extend with Chelsea they will call him back and bench him for 2 years. Some weeks later he extended.
Now we could have done the same with DDG last year, we could even do it this year. Obviously if he is not happy at all to stay then we could still this way make him to extend in order to at least get us a higer fee when we sell him in 1-2 years.
So either we are happy that United still behaves in a "nice" way and treats their players "well" or we should be ruthless and thus get our way most of the time.
What we can't do is wanting to remain nice in everyone's eyes but still complain why Chelsea don't lose their players.
If they want to avoid losing their players on the cheap then yes. If they however think that's not the right behaviour and they'd rather lose players on the cheap instead then no.So you're saying club should have threaten him so he would sign the extension?
This is the 2nd time in 6 years we're loosing a player we want to keep so its not that serious. As for Chelsea we'll see how they'll react when and if Madrid comes for Hazard for instance.If they want to avoid losing their players on the cheap then yes. If they however think that's not the right behaviour and they'd rather lose players on the cheap instead then no.
All I am saying is that it does partly explain why Chelsea don't lose their players they want to keep and also why they get huge fees for those they decide to sell.
If you say so.
They'll react the same way they did with Courtois: Make him sign so they hold all the cards and then they can sell on their terms and if they are not met then just keep him. However they already made him extend his contract, so they are safe for the next 2-3 years at least.This is the 2nd time in 6 years we're loosing a player we want to keep so its not that serious. As for Chelsea we'll see how they'll react when and if Madrid comes for Hazard for instance.
As @akash02 said we didnt exactly let it run to a year, nobody knows how long is offer on a table. Maybe we offered him a new contract in the winter, maybe last summer. I bet club has done everything in their power for him to sign.We need to change our policy, we should never let contracts run to a year as them the power is in the players hands!
With De Gea, we should tell him your staying till the end of your contract and if he starts sulking then bench him and play Valdes!!
We need to change our policy, we should never let contracts run to a year as them the power is in the players hands!
With De Gea, we should tell him your staying till the end of your contract and if he starts sulking then bench him and play Valdes!!
Well Hazard signed a extension, DDG doesnt want to.They'll react the same way they did with Courtois: Make him sign so they hold all the cards and then they can sell on their terms and if they are not met then just keep him. However they already made him extend his contract, so they are safe for the next 2-3 years at least.
No Courtois wanted to stay in Madrid with Atletico, just like DDG wants to go back to Madrid.You're blaming the club for De Gea not signing a new deal without having the slightest knowledge of what's gone on behind the scenes? How do you know we did not try to get him to sign a new deal last summer?
Besides, the comparison is daft. Courtois wanted first team football as an incentive for signing a new contract and staying at Chelsea. That's a demand which is very easy to give in to.
But yes, let's blame for the club for the player refusing to sign a new contract.
I find some of your posts totally surrealistic although I understand it as keeping the pride of the club.You make some rules for transfers affecting United but what about players that United wants without the consent of their clubs?.Otamendi for example,Valencia has said several times that they dont want to sell but United is still insisting,should the player stay until the end of the contract? .Being spaniard is an interesting point for Madrid but they will try to sign the best players in the world,doesn't matter the nationality.I disagree.
There are always been, and always will be plenty of players who see United as standing right at the top table of European football.
Players who have brought this club huge success.
Just because Spanish footballers are the dish of the day at the moment, doesn't mean they always will be and doesn't mean we should dilute our image to bend to them. Doing that just makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy and helps them establish themselves above us.
Courtois didn't want it either but Chelsea still made him sign one.Well Hazard signed a extension, DDG doesnt want to.
No Courtois wanted to stay in Madrid with Atletico, just like DDG wants to go back to Madrid.
Even until the very last minute last season Courtois kept saying he could either stay at Atletico or go to Chelsea.
No Courtois wanted to stay in Madrid with Atletico, just like DDG wants to go back to Madrid.
Even until the very last minute last season Courtois kept saying he could either stay at Atletico or go to Chelsea.
Comparing our situation with DDG and Chelsea and Curtois is mixing apples and oranges. 2 different situations.Courtois didn't want it either but Chelsea still made him sign one.
Again if United are fine with investing in players and giving them huge wages, but in the end can't keep the players because they "don't want to" then so be it. But then don't ask yourself why Chelsea are ahead of us in these things.
We can be pragmatic with Atletico Madrid or Getafe or someone.
Nobody would expect us to be pragmatic with a player wanting to go to Liverpool or City.
I'm only arguing that we should be equally unaccommodating to our big European rivals.
Well then why did Mourinho threaten him? Why did rumours emerge that he could be benched if he didn't extend?No Courtois wanted to be a starter and feared that Cech could be Mourinho's first choice, he did said that he would be happy to stay in Madrid but it was only in the case that Chelsea didn't intended to play him.
I find some of your posts totally surrealistic although I understand it as keeping the pride of the club.You make some rules for transfers affecting United but what about players that United wants without the consent of their clubs?.Otamendi for example,Valencia has said several times that they dont want to sell but United is still insisting,should the player stay until the end of the contract? .Being spaniard is an interesting point for Madrid but they will try to sign the best players in the world,doesn't matter the nationality.
Well then why did Mourinho threaten him? Why did rumours emerge that he could be benched if he didn't extend?
In the end they had a world class gk whose contract was due to expire in 2016. A keeper who had never played for them, who has been winning trophies at Atletico for 3 years, who was settled in Madrid and who had interest from both Madrid clubs. Chelsea however still made him extend his contract.
Totally agree, good post. Don't expect it to get read without bias though
For some people, the status quo is as far as they can see
Then we should have benched him and played Valdes, I know it's harsh but other players will see this and think they can hold the club to ransom (thanks Rooney)!As @akash02 said we didnt exactly let it run to a year, nobody knows how long is offer on a table. Maybe we offered him a new contract in the winter, maybe last summer. I bet club has done everything in their power for him to sign.
Well then why did Mourinho threaten him? Why did rumours emerge that he could be benched if he didn't extend?
In the end they had a world class gk whose contract was due to expire in 2016. A keeper who had never played for them, who has been winning trophies at Atletico for 3 years, who was settled in Madrid and who had interest from both Madrid clubs. Chelsea however still made him extend his contract.
Not at all. If you read other posts carefully I am not a poster who has digs at our club, the opposite actually. That doesn't mean that I am not allowed to critisize the club at all or state what they could do differently or where they could learn from other clubs.I just googled it.
Pretty much everything says Courtois wanted assurances of first team football before he signed any sort of new deal. There's also reports of interest from Barca which is what apparently prompted the comments from Mourinho not him staying at Atletico.
Courtois is also not Spanish or a Madridists like De Gea.
A terrible example used solely to have a dig at the club you support.
Talk sport is quoting Marca.Has he agreed to go to Real Madrid? There are stories all over the net from news papers and Talk Sport.
Why doesnt De Gea man up, and stops being a pussy,and clarify himself what is really going
I am also sure United will learn from this and will from now on extend contracts 2 or even 3 years before they expire.