I want players who want to finish their careers at United. I though I'd been quite clear there?
We've taken De Gea, stood by him when he was poor, benefited from 2 good seasons and are about to see him waltz off to Madrid for less than his market value.
Same happened with Ronaldo. Yes they have been good players at the club but there are other good players. More committed players.
If we hadn't signed De Gea we would have signed another top class keeper. Maybe not quite as world class but perhaps such a signing wouldn't have papered over the cracks of such a poor defence for so long?
Nor does selling him to Real Madrid for 20million.
Well that is just ridiculous, you can't expect all of our signings to finish their careers at United and model our transfer policy on that dream, especially players that aren't even from this country. It would be a disaster and have a terrible impact on signing emerging talents or even just great ones, because no-one would want to sign with us!
I'm sure we would be in breach of contract if we placed him in the reserves for a year.Well United get a return on the transfer fee and he is not festering in the reserves for a year.
No one wants this, but it is what it is.You and I have very different ideas of what counts as ridiculous.
I think it's ridiculous that some United fans seem to want us to spend millions on signing, paying and developing young players who have dreams of playing for other clubs who they think are superior.
Well United get a return on the transfer fee and he is not festering in the reserves for a year.
You and I have very different ideas of what counts as ridiculous.
I think it's ridiculous that some United fans seem to want us to spend millions on signing, paying and developing young players who have dreams of playing for other clubs who they think are superior.
No one wants this, but it is what it is.
So what are you suggesting? Let him go on a free next year?I disagree.
There are always been, and always will be plenty of players who see United as standing right at the top table of European football.
Players who have brought this club huge success.
Just because Spanish footballers are the dish of the day at the moment, doesn't mean they always will be and doesn't mean we should dilute our image to bend to them. Doing that just makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy and helps them establish themselves above us.
Clearly, signing a 20 year old Spanish goalkeeper and assuming he is going to be happy to finish his career at United or not move abroad to any club equally as good or better is insane.
Are you a great football talent? If so, move to Manchester United where you either finish your career with us or never move to a team anywhere near our level
I would prefer not to sign the 20 year old goalkeeper who has aspirations of greener grass elsewhere. I'd prefer to sign the 20 year old keeper who while maybe not quite as good, is right up there and better yet, is willing to give his everything to this club.
Don't be so dramatic. It is more like: "Don't move to Manchester United if you are unwilling to meet the terms of your highly lucrative 4 year contract". Not sure why that is so appalling to some of your gentle natures.
Some of our greatest players from the Fergie era didn't even finish their careers at United.Well that is just ridiculous, you can't expect all of our signings to finish their careers at United and model our transfer policy on that dream, especially players that aren't even from this country.
It would be a disaster and have a terrible impact on signing emerging talents or even just great ones, because no-one would want to sign with us!
So what are you suggesting? Let him go on a free next year?
Some of our greatest players from the Fergie era didn't even finish their careers at United.
He met the terms of his contract, he might just choose to not sign a new one.
He has met 75% of the terms of his contract. As have we. There is nothing in his contract that tells us we have an obligation to sell him to Real Madrid.
And he hasn't asked to leave either, you are a confused here. The only reason we should sell is for the benefit of the club, it has nothing to do with De Gea.
...I am suggesting, in order of preference:
1. Offer him an extremely generous contract, reflective of his great ability - Already been done. Looks like he is not inclined to sign it - Answered your own question.
2. Meet with the player and establish the reasons behind his decision not to sign. - For what reason?
3. Inform the player that he will not be sold to Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Manchester City or Leeds (included lest people in here become upset about me neglecting irrelevant rivals). - Won't bother him, he'll just go on a free next year.
4. If the player is insistent on leaving for personal reasons, offer to sell him back to his (supposedly much beloved) home club Atletico, or any other club closer to home that is not one of the big two. - Again, he holds all the cards and will move where he wants.
5. If agreed, offer him to Atletico or other such club either in exchange for cash, or a similar talent like Koke for example. - If agreed, of course. 'If' being the word though.
6. If refused because of sudden desire only to sign for Real Madrid, explain to the player that this is not a option for consideration this year and that if he wishes to do so, may join them at the end of his contract next year. - And what does this achieve?
Following point 6 and only point 6, it would then be in the best interests of the club to search for a new keeper.
If it were me, I would release an official public statement outlining exactly the steps taking, and alternatives offered by the club and the players reasons for refusing.
Once a new keeper was signed, I would see him as the number one keeper. I would not see the value in starting a player who intends to leave for free at the end of the year, even if that player was slightly superior. Not through vengeance or spite, but simply because the new keeper represents the future of Manchester United.
His idea of what counts as ridiculous is based in reality.You and I have very different ideas of what counts as ridiculous.
I think it's ridiculous that some United fans seem to want us to spend millions on signing, paying and developing young players who have dreams of playing for other clubs who they think are superior.
And he hasn't asked to leave either, you are a confused here. The only reason we should sell is for the benefit of the club, it has nothing to do with De Gea.
He might not of come out and asked to leave but I'd be very surprised if he hasn't told people in the club he wants to go. LVG has said they offered him "a lot of money" to stay which implies thre was contract talks so I'm sure when they happened he'd of said he wants to go.
So what are you suggesting? Let him go on a free next year?
That's basically gambling.You know in case lets just say that Real being banned is reality at some point,then yes let him go to free next year. Real gets banned,they appeal, they let them 1 more window and then they cant do player registration from next summer.So from Real pov,if we refuse to sell him,they might be forced to buy someone else duo ban. From DDG pov,when he leaves for free next season and still wants to join Real,he wont be able to play until ban is lifted,so good luck.
That's a silly post. If he wanted to join Madrid then it makes no sense to sign an extension.Lost a lot of respect for him. If he had any loyalty he would sign that fecking contract and make Real bleed for him. Just like Reus did.
You know in case lets just say that Real being banned is reality at some point,then yes let him go to free next year. Real gets banned,they appeal, they let them 1 more window and then they cant do player registration from next summer.So from Real pov,if we refuse to sell him,they might be forced to buy someone else duo ban. From DDG pov,when he leaves for free next season and still wants to join Real,he wont be able to play until ban is lifted,so good luck.
That's basically gambling.
2. Meet with the player and establish the reasons behind his decision not to sign. - For what reason? To establish whether he is truly unsetlled and wants to return for personal reasons or whether he has simply had his head turned by Real Madrid. And because communication is how negotiating works.
3. Inform the player that he will not be sold to Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Manchester City or Leeds (included lest people in here become upset about me neglecting irrelevant rivals). - Won't bother him, he'll just go on a free next year. In that case, see point 6.
4. If the player is insistent on leaving for personal reasons, offer to sell him back to his (supposedly much beloved) home club Atletico, or any other club closer to home that is not one of the big two. - Again, he holds all the cards and will move where he wants. Again fine, but he will not move when he wants, not while we have a contract for which we have paid handsomely.
5. If agreed, offer him to Atletico or other such club either in exchange for cash, or a similar talent like Koke for example. - If agreed, of course. 'If' being the word though. You are stating the obvious here.
6. If refused because of sudden desire only to sign for Real Madrid, explain to the player that this is not a option for consideration this year and that if he wishes to do so, may join them at the end of his contract next year. - And what does this achieve? I have explained what I think this will acheive repeatedly throughout the last few pages. If you are not reading my posts why are you replying to them?
I'm sure we would be in breach of contract if we placed him in the reserves for a year.
His idea of what counts as ridiculous is based in reality.
When he signed his current deal, he would have signed the contract as a first team player, no? Not sure but just a hunch we couldn't just stick him in the reserves for a year, when he's done nothing wrong to warrant this.How come mate??
I would prefer not to sign the 20 year old goalkeeper who has aspirations of greener grass elsewhere. I'd prefer to sign the 20 year old keeper who while maybe not quite as good, is right up there and better yet, is willing to give his everything to this club.
How do you find those players? By making it very clear to them that we have a policy of not selling to a select group of clubs before they sign the contract.
Don't be so dramatic. It is more like: "Don't move to Manchester United if you are unwilling to meet the terms of your highly lucrative 4 year contract". Not sure why that is so appalling to some of your gentle natures.
You can't expect a player to commit his entire future to one club. You can only play football for so long and if a player wants to try a different, club, country and league, he should be open to that. De Gea doesn't owe us anything, he has performed well and fulfilled his contract. The one thing you can ask of him is to inform us of his intentions early so that we can cash in on him.
That's basically gambling.
Why would we do that ? De Gea didn't do anything bad, even Madrid didn't do anything bad, I know some will say that they tampered but everyone does that, us included.
Back in the real world, players move clubs.My word.
Once more for those at the back. It is not his entire future. It is a 4 year contract.
If a player can't commit to a 4 year contract at Manchester United, he has no business signing it.
