Great analysis from Gary on De Gea just now on MNF.
De Gea Contract Situation
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The Atletico connection wouldn't stop him going to Real Madrid, but it does stop him from wanting to sign for them. He's not in some Ronaldo-esque love-in with Real.
If you gave him a choice between playing for Atletico, Barca and Real he would pick them in that order. It's fortunate for us that Barca went for Ter Stegan.
If you gave him a choice between playing for Atletico, Barca and Real he would pick them in that order. It's fortunate for us that Barca went for Ter Stegan.
Yeah I know, sorry I'm just in a really shitty mood today.
If we could get him to sign a new deal I suspect we would have done so already. My gut feeling is that he's off. Hard to know whether to read anything into LVG's reaction to the question about his contract, as he's capable of getting arsey about anything, but I reckon he knows that there's no point in getting too excited about a player who's probably out the door.
The same Gary who half the caf think has some sort of personal vendetta against De Gea?
Starting to feel this way too. Still think the fee may surprise a few people, despite his contract running down.
It's a matter of when and not if, in my opinion. Didn't expect it to be this summer, but it's starting to look that way.
Yeah, the retirement of Casillas coinciding with Dave's stellar rise and Madridista missus is a pain in the hoop. I'd say there's every chance he's off in the summer.
Fwiw I think he was extraordinarily harsh on him in the early days. Stuff other keepers got away with was picked apart in forensic detail. Likewise every save was one he seemed to have expected him to have made.
Of course it was probably less of a vendetta than it was him being the keeper for the team Neville loves more than pretty much anything who had a style which contrasted with what Neville wanted/expected from his goalies, having played in front of VdS for the last years of his career.
He's been reluctant to praise him in the past, in part due to the exceptionally high standard at which he judges goalkeeping. I think even he himself has recognised he expects a great deal from his goalkeeper, probably too much. That was the best analysis Neville has produced in months, to be fair.
I agree with whoever said he may be off. I said I was worried in the summer and more or less told to pipe down, but the reality is that having an elite player with only 24 months left on a contract doesn't put the club in the greatest position of negotiation.
If he hasn't signed come the summer then we need to cash in. There's also a part of me that thinks Van Gaal doesn't rate him as highly as we all do. Very Van Gaal of him, for want of a better phrase.
I get this feeling too.
You know you're great when you are not English and get praised by Neville.
Sounds like the Madrid press are stirring...
He seems sometimes reluctant to praise him, but I think that it's just his style not to praise single individuals. Let's not forget that he has played him every single minute this season, even in the game against MK Dons.
Yeah I think Nev just has insanely high standards for Utd keepers, he basically said it tonight. No real surprise when you consider the 2 he played with here. His statement that a great keeper should save 7 or 8 out of 10 one on one situations was indicative of that.
To be fair, he also said at the time he critiqued him that he would be one of the best GKs in the world in two years, and, well, he was right.
I agree that his style is very conservative in this respect, but it's just a gut feeling of mine. Van Gaal likes to roll the dice a little. He likes a wildcard. Playing Fellaini ahead of Herrera being one of them so far. It's unexpected, generally disliked amongst many supporters but something the manager is firmly intent on doing.
Basically, if there's one manager in world football that wouldn't quite fancy De Gea at a time when he's universally accepted as the best around, preferring to replace him with Victor Valdes, then it's Van Gaal. We haven't heard the last of Valdes either.
This is such a ridiculous article I'm sorry I wasted any time reading it.
Can't believe Gary Neville finally realised he's good.. It took him, what, 2 years.
When is his contract expiring, this summer or?
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Van Gaal is unorthodox but he's not crazy. I can't see him being willing to let De Gea go and replacing him with a risk like Valdes currently is. If De Gea does leave I don't think it will be because Van Gaal doesn't rate him that highly.
He has not praised him much and even downplayed his performance in a recent interview but I doubt there is more to it. I hope he won't attempt to be controversial with this and drop/sell De Gea to prove a point (?). I for one hope we don't sign Valdes as that would only facilitate such move.
Gary always maintained De Gea was good with the potential to be special to be fair, so a lot of it is overblown. It's just that he has played with three of the all time greats during their primes through his career and was expecting Schmeichel or Edwin or Seaman level of performances on a consistent basis which is extremely hard for a 20 odd year old and Neville has acknowledged on multiple occasions that perhaps some of his criticism was unfair. David as great as he has been over the past couple of seasons did have a few crests and troughs in 2012/ 2013 - most notably vs Tottenham, his technique and overall command of the backline wasn't the greatest at times and is more continental in style (eg. punching instead of catching - something Gary doesn't like in his keeper) which might've been magnified in comparison with Van der Sar who was the most technically sound keeper ever and used to the league upon his arrival at United.
Reading back on Gary's criticism, it does speak of of his love for players who can perform at the same level week in and week out eg. Courtois who's mean level last season was above De Gea's but David blew him out of the water in terms of his ceiling on a few occasions. Neville never really had a vendetta against David to begin with, and was a bit circumspect with overflowing praise but now that the latter is consistently playing at a high level, I'm sure he'll give David his fair dues and maybe even change his stance wrt the De Gea vs Courtois debate in the near future if the former keeps his form up.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideo...0-give-david-de-gea-a-new-contract-now-video/
Andy Tate has said his part.
Andy Tate has said his part.
Gary always maintained De Gea was good with the potential to be special to be fair, so a lot of it is overblown. It's just that he has played with three of the all time greats during their primes through his career and was expecting Schmeichel or Edwin or Seaman level of performances on a consistent basis which is extremely hard for a 20 odd year old and Neville has acknowledged on multiple occasions that perhaps some of his criticism was unfair. David as great as he has been over the past couple of seasons did have a few crests and troughs in 2012/ 2013 - most notably vs Tottenham, his technique and overall command of the backline wasn't the greatest at times and is more continental in style (eg. punching instead of catching - something Gary doesn't like in his keeper) which might've been magnified in comparison with Van der Sar who was the most technically sound keeper ever and used to the league upon his arrival at United.
Reading back on Gary's criticism, it does speak of of his love for players who can perform at the same level week in and week out eg. Courtois who's mean level last season was above De Gea's but David blew him out of the water in terms of his ceiling on a few occasions. Neville never really had a vendetta against David to begin with, and was a bit circumspect with overflowing praise but now that the latter is consistently playing at a high level, I'm sure he'll give David his fair dues and maybe even change his stance wrt the De Gea vs Courtois debate in the near future if the former keeps his form up.
Nice post, I've catched only his criticism but Neville is smart enough to realise how good DDG is.
Is his contract expiring this summer and that's why there's all this panic?
Expires in 2016.Nice post, I've catched only his criticism but Neville is smart enough to realise how good DDG is.
Is his contract expiring this summer and that's why there's all this panic?
Van Gaal hasn't praised any United players this season. Other than in a back-handed way. So I wouldn't read much into that. The fact he seems to have got everyone (including De Gea) playing their hearts out means he'a got the balance about right with the carrot and stick behind the scenes.
Give the boy what he wants!
Nice post, I've catched only his criticism but Neville is smart enough to realise how good DDG is.
Is his contract expiring this summer and that's why there's all this panic?
It expires in June 2016. So about 18 months from now. The panic is only because the media is stirring I think. And the fact that De Gea is from Madrid and Casillas is a shadow of his former self. So 2+2 = 22, never mind the fact that he is an Atletico supporter (as is his family) and joined their academy at age 7. Him joining Real is a very far fetched notion but something that has gained traction with an alarming number of media reports linking him with a move in recent months.
Spot on. The only beneficiary of fleeting effusive praise has been Wayne, which is understandable given that he's our most influential player, a senior figure ands our captain.
People were also making a big deal of Louis playing down McNair's performances early on in the season and the comments wrt Shaw, who then proceeded to start every match when fit and was also backed by Van Gaal is another press briefing.
Yeah, dont understand why all the panic if it expires in 2016. Sure it would be great if we sorted it now but as you said it seems story has gained monumentum just because media has invented it.
I just don't get the impression that VG wastes too much time stressing about player contract issues, certainly to the extent of needing to give extra love to DDG just because there's a worry he might leave. He'll leave it to Woodward, and if no deal is done then its an issue for the summer to look at.
Anyone have a link for this?
Transfermarkt says otherwise.
We'll sort out a new contract no worries. Worst case scenario, I'd let him leave on a free. Gives us more time to find a replacement and feck the few pennies we might get for an expiring contract. Should've done the same with Ronaldo when we had 3 years left on his deal in 2009.
AFAIR, Lindegaard was unavailable and LvG came to the conclusion that there is no point in playing Amos.
Yep. That't the supposedly disloyal bastard.
I think people get a bit too hung up on the minutiae of contract details. All we can do is offer a shitload of money and and a successful team to play for. Woody will be more than willing to do the former (as you can see from our wage bill) and it's up to Van Gaal to look after the latter. Tick both those boxes and the club has done all it possibly can.
He still might leave, though. Especially if his bird sticks her oar in. If that happens then it's ta ra, Dave and nowt we can do about it. We just need to hope we get a decent fee and have a quality replacement in mind.
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He changed his agent to Mendes just before his transfer from Atletico, which is why it was held up for a wee while.
At that point gary neville was supporting phil neville over MUFC.
Hey it's Nev, he bleeds United.
He probably should get that checked out.
He's given Carrick a fair bit of credit, Rooney too.
I think he's the sort of manager that prefers to give praise to older players who he knows will only draw confidence from it and won't let it go to their head.
Rooney being his captain (and not going anywhere) and it's well known he is a confidence pkayer to some extent. Carrick on the other hand is virtually a clone of Scholes in that he doesn't court any sort of attention. If you said he was the best midfielder in the premier league it would make no odds to him whatsoever.
It could be his policy of sorts (philosophy?) that he praises his players behind closed doors rather than in the press.
Not Bury FC?
What is the rivalry between Athletico and Real?
Obviously it's big, but is it Man Utd-Liverpool or Man Utd-Man City big? To me there is a clear difference between the two. And if it's the latter, as I assume it is, I wouldn't be too surprised if he were to go and sign a hench contract with Real Madrid.
Some of our folk heroes have joined Man City, via a proxy. Stranger things have happened.
All I know is that it's going to be a bleak day when that happens. Here's hoping it's all a load of bollocks.
Obviously it's big, but is it Man Utd-Liverpool or Man Utd-Man City big? To me there is a clear difference between the two. And if it's the latter, as I assume it is, I wouldn't be too surprised if he were to go and sign a hench contract with Real Madrid.
Some of our folk heroes have joined Man City, via a proxy. Stranger things have happened.
All I know is that it's going to be a bleak day when that happens. Here's hoping it's all a load of bollocks.
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