Dayot Upamecano | Signs for Bayern

[Deleted 112447]

That depends on how much you believe in your asset. If Sancho is the real deal, he's only going to get better, wow more and put the icing on the cake during the Euros at which point he'll be worth even more, contrary to the ridiculous notion of him being cheaper next summer, pandemic or not.

High stakes stick or twist, but certainly not without merit.

It's a two way street though. A serious injury this season could change things and next year he is with only 2 more years on his contract. This summer, after 2 very good seasons and 3 years on his contract is a good time to sell. The player could also be a lot less motivated in seasons to come if he is refused a move. I might be wrong but with the pandemic and empty stadiums i don't see any club spending more then 100 mil on one player next summer either. Before you know it he is on his last year and you lose much of his value that way.

It's an interesting situation and i expect that future young players that go to Dortmund will demand reasonable release fees in their contracts, much like Haaland is supposed to have.

 

[Woodzy]

It could easily be that Falk is getting his sources from the selling club saying that we haven't made an offer, where as we have simply contacted the player as has been reported. The player himself has said that clubs are interested.

 

[RkkMan]

They might be for sale but I doubt Jones will go anywhere, Rojo if we're lucky. I would just keep Smalling rather than rely on Bailly and Tuanzebe to stay fit.

If we can find offers for Darmian, Evans, Schneiderlin and a finished Rooney on those wages he was on we`ll find someone for Jones some PL team will gamble my guess is West Ham or Newcastle and there`s no point in keeping Smalling if we won`t guarantee him a starting spot which is what he wants but simply won`t get its why he left on loan and why Roma are back in for him and certain to get him.

 

[croadyman]

Maybe we are happy to scout both him & Konate next season and then make a move for whichever one suits us best

 

[A-man]

So basically, Chris Smalling is our best defender and better than Upemecano across most of the stats? And he's currently out on loan at Roma and we're looking to sell him on the cheap. Excellent.

There are so much you can not see in these stats. Yes, we can see that all three of our CBs Maguire, Smalling and Lindelof won more aerials than Upamecano. For those who think Lindelof is poor in the air, Upamecano might not be your man.

But things you don't see are how many mistakes leading to goal did Smalling make? How many penalties did he cause?
How many times did Upamecano penetrate through the midfield with the ball? How calm and composed is he with the ball under pressure?
How well did Lindelof and Maguire cooperate, kept the offside line, etc.

When everything is considered it is not clear that Smalling is the best defender in this discussion.

 

[Chief123]

I would love to be proven wrong, but Ogden has killed the muppet in me this morning.. I'm losing hope..

I paid a bit of weight to Ogden’s views until
I saw him on ESPN yesterday and saw his prediction on how Utd would line up this season.

He had the lineup down as a diamond 442 with Pogba, Bruno and VDB in the team.

He’s clueless if he thinks that’s how we’ll set up. On occasions yes, but no chance that will be our go to line up.

 

[croadyman]

I paid a bit of weight to Ogden’s views until
I saw him on ESPN yesterday and saw his prediction on how Utd would line up this season.

He had the lineup down as a diamond 442 with Pogba, Bruno and VDB in the team.

He’s clueless if he thinks that’s how we’ll set up. On occasions yes, but no chance that will be our go to line up.

Yeah you only have to listen to that Dutch football guy on with Howson recently to realise that VDB will probably come off the bench quite a bit next season

 

[macheda14]

He's Head of Football for BILD. He's very well connected across Germany.

Every German fan on reddit say he talks out of his arse for the most part and don’t understand why prem fans take his words as gospel

 

[AshRK]

Can't see this happening

 

[Leftback99]

If we can find offers for Darmian, Evans, Schneiderlin and a finished Rooney on those wages he was on we`ll find someone for Jones some PL team will gamble my guess is West Ham or Newcastle and there`s no point in keeping Smalling if we won`t guarantee him a starting spot which is what he wants but simply won`t get its why he left on loan and why Roma are back in for him and certain to get him.

It's a long time since Jones showed he had any sort of value. He wouldn't start for West Ham or Newcastle.

 

[RedNed77]

There are so much you can not see in these stats. Yes, we can see that all three of our CBs Maguire, Smalling and Lindelof won more aerials than Upamecano. For those who think Lindelof is poor in the air, Upamecano might not be your man.

But things you don't see are how many mistakes leading to goal did Smalling make? How many penalties did he cause?
How many times did Upamecano penetrate through the midfield with the ball? How calm and composed is he with the ball under pressure?
How well did Lindelof and Maguire cooperate, kept the offside line, etc.

When everything is considered it is not clear that Smalling is the best defender in this discussion.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d like us to get Upemecano, I’ve only seen him a couple of times but I can see what people are raving about in those times I have seen him. He looks genuinely decent.

I also think at the same time Smalling is underrated on here. He was one of the best CB’s in Italy last year and outperformed one of the cafs other favourites in KK. IMHO we could do a lot worse than bringing him back and giving him Lindelofs spot if we can’t get Upemecano this year. It’s hardly like Lindelof performed like a modern day Beckenbauer last season.

 

[Wayne's World]

Can't see this happening

Like him but won't sigh him. Don't really get that

If I like what I see as a football club I'd make sure to get him before other clubs come in. If we don't get him now we have absolutely no chance next summer with his release clause so low

 

[AshRK]

Like him but won't sigh him. Don't really get that

If I like what I see as a football club I'd make sure to get him before other clubs come in. If we don't get him now we have absolutely no chance next summer with his release clause so low

It has been a proven fact our negotiations are slow. Yes we will have VDB like signinf but that happens rare. We could have signed him this summer before he signed a contract but we acted slow. I think like you said it will be extremely difficult to get him or even sancho next season.

 

[croadyman]

It has been a proven fact our negotiations are slow. Yes we will have VDB like signinf but that happens rare. We could have signed him this summer before he signed a contract but we acted slow. I think like you said it will be extremely difficult to get him or even sancho next season.

Yeah that is definitely my concerns with waiting for both players as well

 

[OverratedOpinion]

So basically, Chris Smalling is our best defender and better than Upemecano across most of the stats? And he's currently out on loan at Roma and we're looking to sell him on the cheap. Excellent.

I think this is actually one of those rare cases where the stats paint a really accurate picture. Maguire is the best defender of the 4, then Smalling.

 

[jderbyshire]

Andy Mitten says he's heard a deal for Upamecano this transfer window is "unlikely"

(Around the 20 minute mark in the video)

Reason being we have "46 Centre backs at the club" and we are prioritising other positions.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Like him but won't sigh him. Don't really get that

If I like what I see as a football club I'd make sure to get him before other clubs come in. If we don't get him now we have absolutely no chance next summer with his release clause so low

United been interested in Donny since last year but we signed him this year. United been interested in Sancho since last year but this year is the only time the club is being serious to get him.

If the priority of the club this summer is midfielder and attacker then it makes sense to invest the money on those first. Being interested doesn’t mean the player will be targeted right now, if he was one of the main target we would have active his release clause last month.

 

[Shane88]

Can't see this happening

Fab giveth and Fab taketh away.

 

[Himannv]

Like him but won't sigh him. Don't really get that

If I like what I see as a football club I'd make sure to get him before other clubs come in. If we don't get him now we have absolutely no chance next summer with his release clause so low

It's more like he's saying Leipzig won't want to sell him this summer. Understandably so IMO. I've watched them a fair bit and losing both Werner and Upamecano in the same window is crazy from a playing style perspective. Basically I don't have any idea how they will replace those two and it's strange enough without Werner.

 

[bosnian_red]

I just want us to offer them like £5m more than the release clause to secure a deal for next summer at least. Be proactive and early before everyone offers the release clause next summer. Liverpool did that with Naby Keita a few years ago with Leipzig, to lock him in.

 

[croadyman]

Andy Mitten says he's heard a deal for Upamecano this transfer window is "unlikely"

(Around the 20 minute mark in the video)

Reason being we have "46 Centre backs at the club" and we are prioritising other positions.

The question is what other positions apart from the obvious RW and wonder who he thinks will be the other signing if only one more.

 

[jungledrums]

Andy Mitten says he's heard a deal for Upamecano this transfer window is "unlikely"

(Around the 20 minute mark in the video)

Reason being we have "46 Centre backs at the club" and we are prioritising other positions.

Interesting. Do you know if Mitten has spoken about Sancho recently?

 

[A-man]

Don’t get me wrong, I’d like us to get Upemecano, I’ve only seen him a couple of times but I can see what people are raving about in those times I have seen him. He looks genuinely decent.

I also think at the same time Smalling is underrated on here. He was one of the best CB’s in Italy last year and outperformed one of the cafs other favourites in KK. IMHO we could do a lot worse than bringing him back and giving him Lindelofs spot if we can’t get Upemecano this year. It’s hardly like Lindelof performed like a modern day Beckenbauer last season.

Smalling seems to be underrated by 80% and highly overrated by the other 20% in this forum. He was one of the best CBs in Italy if we go by the Whoscored “stats” generated by some measurable actions. It measures how many times a defender clears the ball, intercepts etc. But not how good they are at cooperating, lead, organise, set offside, play through press, etc, etc.

Both Smalling and Mancini, the two CBs who played the majority of the games got very high ratings. Yet they conceded 51 goals! That’s conceding 42% more goals than United in a weaker league. For me who watched many of the matches, I wouldn’t say Smalling was some kind of super centre back last season. He did a lot of good things but also many poor and costly things.

Imo the most important is to get a world class attacker, preferably Sancho. For defence we need a reliable CB and LB for rotation and as backup. Taking Smalling back and put the money on Sancho or other attacker would be ok for me, but maybe Ole doesn’t believe Smalling can play the kind of football he wants.

 

[jderbyshire]

Interesting. Do you know if Mitten has spoken about Sancho recently?

In that same video yeah - he's said the common line, which is "he's our number one target" etc.

But he said he can't see it being our record-breaking transfer this window because of Covid economy, he thinks the club thinks it will be bad PR to spend 100m+ on a player.

He said the deal will only happen if a) it's installments/structured deal and b) Sancho pushes for the move.

He didn't sound very optimistic about it.

 

[jungledrums]

In that same video yeah - he's said the common line, which is "he's our number one target" etc.

But he said he can't see it being our record-breaking transfer this window because of Covid economy, he thinks the club thinks it will be bad PR to spend 100m+ on a player.

He said the deal will only happen if a) it's installments/structured deal and b) Sancho pushes for the move.

He didn't sound very optimistic about it.

Thanks, that’s a shame.

Wouldn’t Sancho still be our record signing even if it’s in instalments?

 

[Zoo]

James Cooper on Sky was pretty confident that this won’t happen whilst talking up the possibility of Smalling staying.

 

[TheNewEra]

Like him but won't sigh him. Don't really get that

If I like what I see as a football club I'd make sure to get him before other clubs come in. If we don't get him now we have absolutely no chance next summer with his release clause so low

Disagree, if United are 'there abouts' next year and United pay him better wages, why wouldn't he?

 

[Mickeza]

James Cooper on Sky was pretty confident that this won’t happen whilst talking up the possibility of Smalling staying.

There’s no chance Smalling is staying so that gives me hope.

 

[sp_107]

You guys take him for £50M OR wait him to go somewhere else like varane and turn as 100M player?

 

[TheNewEra]

You guys take him for £50M OR wait him to go somewhere else like varane and turn as 100M player?

£50M obviously it's a no brainer, but its having the money for him and Sancho.

Sancho is always the priority.

 

[Chief123]

Don’t get me wrong, I’d like us to get Upemecano, I’ve only seen him a couple of times but I can see what people are raving about in those times I have seen him. He looks genuinely decent.

I also think at the same time Smalling is underrated on here. He was one of the best CB’s in Italy last year and outperformed one of the cafs other favourites in KK. IMHO we could do a lot worse than bringing him back and giving him Lindelofs spot if we can’t get Upemecano this year. It’s hardly like Lindelof performed like a modern day Beckenbauer last season.

Smalling was always good when it came to “defending”. The problem was always the ball at his feet. In modern football it’s important for every player to be comfortable on the ball if you want to be a top team.

Smalling and AWB would get pressed every time the ball is on their side of the pitch. Neither are comfortable in possession.

 

[Syphon Wallet]

You guys take him for £50M OR wait him to go somewhere else like varane and turn as 100M player?

I would take him for 50mill...however I have no idea of the clubs finances and if it will affect our budget for another player.
If I knew we had 100mill left, I would say get sancho and bring smalling back.
If we arnt getting sancho, then get Dayot.

 

[sp_107]

£50M obviously it's a no brainer, but its having the money for him and Sancho.

Sancho is always the priority.

Agree but why cant we go for both (150M) and sell 5/6 fringe players to balance the books..Means the net will come down to 100M)

 

[sammsky1]

Can't see this happening

well that didn't last long Thiago bites the dust too.

i guess it was fun while it lasted

 

[sammsky1]

Agree but why cant we go for both (150M) and sell 5/6 fringe players to balance the books..Means the net will come down to 100M)

why do you think we cant?

 

[sp_107]

why do you think we cant?

People here saying either we can get Sancho or Upamecano

 

[Alemar]

People here saying either we can get Sancho or Upamecano

We can get both and Thiago as well, it’s all up to Glazers to sign off transfers

 

[Brophs]

Is there anything to be said for giving Phil Jones one more year to fulfil his potential? Get the old band back together?

 

[sp_107]

Is there anything to be said for giving Phil Jones one more year to fulfil his potential? Get the old band back together?

Easy Living, not sure if he ever feel guilty for taking that much money but not playing and asked for a transfer even for less salary to clubs like Newcastle/Westham.

I always love him for his determination but his body is not helping him i think

 

[El-Manos]

Is there anything to be said for giving Phil Jones one more year to fulfil his potential? Get the old band back together?

Absolutely not.