Yeah I agree. Saying Lindelöf defenders are a problem on this site is just whiny bullshit.
The man gets so much shit on here you’d think this is a City forum and that United got relegated last season.
Day 17: England vs Germany | Sweden vs Ukraine (Ro16 7&8)
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Yeah I agree. Saying Lindelöf defenders are a problem on this site is just whiny bullshit.
The man gets so much shit on here you’d think this is a City forum and that United got relegated last season.
Have you played professionally at CB? I don't think you are in a position to judge how good the professional game is
How is that not a red card ?
So did you play CB when we sold Jaap Stam?Is this "have you ever played X position" going to be a new Caf meme?
Three third place finished countries in group stage reached quarterfinals and one missed came from group of death.Ukraine,Swiss and czech 
He’s played the ball and the follow through looks far worse in slow motion. Not chance that’s a red card without slow mo and VAR
The professional game has got worse since they ditched the physicality though?
I know why the ref gave it
Read through my posts
I said I understand why it's given this day and age especially with var and slowing down
I just think it's nuts that it happens and is seen as a red card
Are the English players the only United players left in the tournament now?
Well there's DDG, but he won't get a game unless it's the 3rd place playoff.
If his aim was to negate Germany wing backs then he did fine job, Kimmich and Goesens were very quiet today, but lets not forget had it not for poor finishing from Werner and Muller things might turn out differently for England.
This is the starting position. It's basically a 3v3. Lindelof has Dobvyk, Helander has to pick up the Ukraine in the hole who has run off the midfield, and the Swedish left-back has to be mindful of the right winger Karavayev.
If it wasn't a 3v3 and the central defender (Helander) was spare, you'd expect him to cover in behind Lindelof. But he can't here because the attacking midfielder is free.
So for me Lindelof is at fault. And he could have played a better line too and caught the striker offside.
But some context. Sweden were down to 10 men and stretched. This isn't a normal defensive scenario and Lindelof was distracted by the left sided Ukrainian central midfielder running off the Swedish midfielder. The Swedish midfield are arguably as much to blame here in my view for failing to track runners here.
If it wasn't a 3v3 and the central defender (Helander) was spare, you'd expect him to cover in behind Lindelof. But he can't here because the attacking midfielder is free.
So for me Lindelof is at fault. And he could have played a better line too and caught the striker offside.
But some context. Sweden were down to 10 men and stretched. This isn't a normal defensive scenario and Lindelof was distracted by the left sided Ukrainian central midfielder running off the Swedish midfielder. The Swedish midfield are arguably as much to blame here in my view for failing to track runners here.
Kane missed a good chance also.
Have you ever been to the gym?
This is the starting position. It's basically a 3v3. Lindelof has Dobvyk, Helander has to pick up the Ukraine in the hole who has run off the midfield, and the Swedish left-back has to be mindful of the right winger Karavayev.
If it wasn't a 3v3 and the central defender (Helander) was spare, you'd expect him to cover in behind Lindelof. But he can't here because the attacking midfielder is free.
So for me Lindelof is at fault. And he could have played a better line too and caught the striker offside.
But some context. Sweden were down to 10 men and stretched. This isn't a normal defensive scenario and Lindelof was distracted by the left sided Ukrainian central midfielder running off the Swedish midfielder. The Swedish midfield are arguably as much to blame here in my view for failing to track runners here.
Have you played at CB though?
For some it's prefixed. They hated it even performed well after. They find ways to criticise. Put every action into microscope. Debates now became obsession. Can't just get over with it.
Don’t care about free flowing football as long as we win. Everyone wanked themselves dry over France and they got done, the so called no. 1 side in the world were shocking and were holding on for dear life against Portugal. Spain spunked a 2 goal lead in 5 minutes and their keeper pulled of a wonder save in the first few minutes of ET, that could have easily gone the other way. I’d happily take 1-0 wins all the way to the final, in reality most fans of any team would.
England has probably the most talented team, yet they line up with 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders. Your coach (I assume you're English) has absolutely no clue.
England might scrape past Sweden or Ukraine, but with tactics like that they won't make it past the semis.
Fair enough. From my point of view, I just don't see that it's nuts. Or at least it wouldn't be my choice of word if I can see how the ref gave it according to the rules he has to apply, keeping in mind they also define his performance in the eyes of his employer.
I would say unfortunate definitely comes to mind. I definitely do not think the defender intended anything like that result or even had in mind that it was a likely possibility.
alright mr hindsight. maybe if he wasn’t so cowardly we would have won 5-0
did we really need a back 3 against a solo timo werner? not for me.
just because we won in the end doesn’t mean he was right.
This is the starting position. It's basically a 3v3. Lindelof has Dobvyk, Helander has to pick up the Ukraine in the hole who has run off the midfield, and the Swedish left-back has to be mindful of the right winger Karavayev.
If it wasn't a 3v3 and the central defender (Helander) was spare, you'd expect him to cover in behind Lindelof. But he can't here because the attacking midfielder is free.
So for me Lindelof is at fault. And he could have played a better line too and caught the striker offside.
But some context. Sweden were down to 10 men and stretched. This isn't a normal defensive scenario and Lindelof was distracted by the left sided Ukrainian central midfielder running off the Swedish midfielder. The Swedish midfield are arguably as much to blame here in my view for failing to track runners here.
If you aren't a centre back leave the hall. Your opinion is dismissed, if you are a CB then good post showing exactly what happened and how Lindelof while not terrible was part of the problem with the goal along with the midfield switching off and the RB not closing down Zinchenko. Take it from me I'm a Centre Back.
Why does it matter if it wouldn't be a red in a non-pro game when it happened in a pro game?
Just Werner... What are you on about...
They were in control for the most of the match and won 2-0. Yet you whine about Southgate.
What do you want??
You expect England to beat Germany 5-0... my lord, the delusion on here. We scraped by an even game against a team that is easily our level. Honestly I'd nearly hope we lose to Ukraine or Denmark to see the state of the meltdown in here.
Putting together what I've learned today from the Caf about footie:
- England have a manager who's a coward and makes his subs based on what the crowd are currently singing about for twitter follows and the need to be popular.
- We should be beating Germany 5-0 because they are the new Liechtenstein, as are France (the current world champions) and Portugal (the current Euro Champions) who couldn't beat them 5-0 either. Everyone's a Liechtenstein.
- We're better than them all if we just start the Diego Maradona clone with the abnormally large calf muscles who's spent 3/4 of his career in the championship.
- Swedish people don't like to see their players get legit red cards.
- Only CB's can post about CB's or else!
For someone that doesn't give two shits you've posted a lot of anti England nonsense!
I enjoy it. You’re all so sensitive, and most of it is in jest to be fair, guess you missed the white text.
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He snapped the bloke's shin in two, in real time. Granted, he played the ball cleanly first, but to get there he had to lunge with both feet off the ground and cede control of his body. Hence reckless and a clear red card.
My comment has nothing to do with England or Germany.
Those were nothing compare to shit received by Maguire.
That wasnt as good as werner's or Mueller's.
Nonsense. Grealish is better than Roberto Carlos.
Physicality of game is not all to do with how much time the players spend in the gym or how toned they are.
No good attacking play only defensive and goal keeper errors lead to goals. I saw something once where the guy, it could have been Harry Redknapp, said you can trace every goal back to an error if you really want to.
I don't think that goal is the fault of Lindelof, it's a great cross and run. The guy in front who can see him running and the cross coming is the one who should try to deal with it.
What I really want to know is why the Ukrainian guy who scored was wearing a training bra. Looked perfectly ridiculous.
I don't understand how anyone can think that wasn't a red card. He got the ball? Doesn't matter. You can't lunge like that with players around you, it's dangerous play. It looks worse in slow motion? It might be that it does, but the fact that he catches him in the knee with his studs and the player couldn't even walk afterwards should tell you all that is needed to know. It's a blatant red if there ever was one. It's sucks being that I'm Swedish and we should have won the match in the second half, but there can be no doubt that it was the correct decision.
Yeah but have you ever played centre back? Because if not I don't believe your claims. x.
What does that matter? You cannot do that with players around you, it's really that simple. He didn't need to lunge in like that nor should he have done. Bad luck for him that he made contact like that sure, but given that he did there's no other decision to be made than sending him off,
I read that someone made the comparision to Nani's red card. I think this is worse, and I was fuming back then but looking back on that as well I think it absolutely was the correct decision as well.
This was the first time in 53 years that England had won a Euros knockout tie within the 90 minutes. Let that sink in.
That's the history Southgate is working against. Pragmatism was definitely the sensible approach.
We've got a top class attack that's always liable to score a goal, especially in later rounds when the opposition needs to attack. And setting up to congest the middle is always liable to lead to a clean sheet, especially when you've got an aerial presence as dominant as Maguire.
It's just maths. 1-0 in every game would give England their best tournament result in living memory.
That's the history Southgate is working against. Pragmatism was definitely the sensible approach.
We've got a top class attack that's always liable to score a goal, especially in later rounds when the opposition needs to attack. And setting up to congest the middle is always liable to lead to a clean sheet, especially when you've got an aerial presence as dominant as Maguire.
It's just maths. 1-0 in every game would give England their best tournament result in living memory.
You should just shut down your computer and walk away. Take it from me, I have a degree in Computer Science and program for a living.