I’m not Swedish or have ever played cb but I did play in goal at the absolute worst and lowest levels of amateur football so feel free to come to me for the expert opinion in this vital debate. 
Day 17: England vs Germany | Sweden vs Ukraine (Ro16 7&8)
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Gundogan was Germany's Sterling. The one who help the team control the ball better and use creativity to attack. Surprised they did not use their own sterling.
Yes Lindelof always got pushed backwards. He also need to stick to his rival. In a way, it's like man-handling the rival without causing a penalty but he doesn't do that enough.This is the starting position. It's basically a 3v3. Lindelof has Dobvyk, Helander has to pick up the Ukraine in the hole who has run off the midfield, and the Swedish left-back has to be mindful of the right winger Karavayev.
If it wasn't a 3v3 and the central defender (Helander) was spare, you'd expect him to cover in behind Lindelof. But he can't here because the attacking midfielder is free.
So for me Lindelof is at fault. And he could have played a better line too and caught the striker offside.
But some context. Sweden were down to 10 men and stretched. This isn't a normal defensive scenario and Lindelof was distracted by the left sided Ukrainian central midfielder running off the Swedish midfielder. The Swedish midfield are arguably as much to blame here in my view for failing to track runners here.
All this talk about CBs but if youre not a left footed CB that hasnt played on the left side of a back 3 on a wednesday afternoon then I dont wanna hear it.
Yup. I'm so glad Ukraine won. Today was a great day for football.
Mourinho mind controlling Shaw into getting an assist and involved in both goals was great. Genius.
It's bizarre.
It's also interesting how many people (including ex-footballers) don't seem to know how red cards actually work given they tried to argue it isn't red because "he played the ball", "it wasn't intentional" or "it wasn't actually a tackle", all of which is completely irrelevant.
I also like the "it would never be given without the slow motion replays" argument, as if you need slow motion and careful study to decipher the intricacies of why this is a problem:
At this point I firmly believe that any red card (no matter how blatant) will have someone on Redcafe arguing that it's harsh.
He was injured or ill.
Kudos to the Ukraine. Well done. England are in the semis most likely, though.
Sorry but you are so completely wrong - that is as red as they come. When you put your studs against someones knee so that it bends backwards, that is a red. Even the player himself admitted it in an interview after seeing the replay
Are you a referee, though?
Posting tripe like this suggests you do
We’ve given ourselves a great chance
we are probably the toughest team to beat especially out of the remaining teams based on what I’ve seen
on paper of course our draw now we are past ze Germans looks fantastic
but your a mug if you think it will be plain sailing, pressure does weird and unpredictable things in sport
but I’m still confident we’ll get too the final
we are probably the toughest team to beat especially out of the remaining teams based on what I’ve seen
on paper of course our draw now we are past ze Germans looks fantastic
but your a mug if you think it will be plain sailing, pressure does weird and unpredictable things in sport
but I’m still confident we’ll get too the final
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Completely agree, expect each match to be a rollercoaster.
You are absolutely right!It's bizarre.
It's also interesting how many people (including ex-footballers) don't seem to know how red cards actually work given they tried to argue it isn't red because "he played the ball", "it wasn't intentional" or "it wasn't actually a tackle", all of which is completely irrelevant.
I also like the "it would never be given without the slow motion replays" argument, as if you need slow motion and careful study to decipher the intricacies of why this is a problem:
At this point I firmly believe that any red card (no matter how blatant) will have someone on Redcafe arguing that it's harsh.
I think the way even players on the pitch use the frase "I played the ball" makes it sometimes hard for some to understand the rule it self.
A swedish ref on tv explained another situation that if it is a straight leg that hit the ankle, its yellow, and if it hits higher its a red. I guess thats the line between, to tuff and dangerous play.
When I played in the 90's I got away with a kick in the head because I was first on the ball :0) good old times.
All the pressure it's on England now, Czech Republic/Denmark and Ukraine have nothing to lose.
This will definitely be a mental boost for those 3 teams.
Ffs. OkI don't think many are that sensitive, you just shouldn't be surprised if you're coming here specifically to wind people up that people tell you you're talking nonsense. Also, not sure I saw any white text...great defense though, isn't it?! Can say anything and then say 'Ah, no, I just meant it in jest!'
Yes, all this came from one post where I clearly over exaggerated and added white text at the end. Some posters found the funny side and I then shared my genuine thoughts. If you missed that, then carry on being touchy
I'm not being touchy. Whether or not you like the English team has no bearing on my life. But, to reiterate, if you come here to wind people up (which you saying 'i enjoy it, you're all so sensitive' would suggest you are) then don't be surprised if people tell you you're talking nonsense.Yes, all this came from one post where I clearly over exaggerated and added white text at the end. Some posters found the funny side and I then shared my genuine thoughts. If you missed that, then carry on being touchy
Ok, I see you’re still banging on for no reason, I said that to you as you was being so touchy, you still are. I think engerland are one of the best teams left, have a great chance to win it. I’m sorry you missed the white text for that one post.
Have a nice day.
Infact this back and forth with you came from you saying I post a LOT of anti English nonsense, I’d like to see that if you can find it
obviously i'm exaggerating. The point is we changed our formation to match a poor German team for no reason, we had most of the possession and having 1 extra man would be better than in defence IMO.
IF anything our defence looked more confused playing 3.
I wouldn’t say all the pressure
England’s expectations are obviously higher, but it’s still a huge position for the other teams to be in too
Sure, it wasn't too tough
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What wrong with any of that?
The first one they were acting like knobs jumping all around the place. And it was a play on a previous post by someone saying ‘typical something or other’. And it was about vaccines if I remember right, not football.
The English clearly say they don’t like the English.
You were lapping up Scotland and wales being out.
It is a shit anthem, I was agreed with.
The 3 lions song, come on
good effort though, made me smile,
edit, maybe now I will try below if I can work out how to multi quote myself
Just because you think it's true doesn't mean it's not anti-English? You see the difference?!What wrong with any of that?
The first one they were acting like knobs jumping all around the place. And it was a play on a previous post by someone saying ‘typical something or other’. And it was about vaccines if I remember right, not football.
The English clearly say they don’t like the English.
You were lapping up Scotland and wales being out.
It is a shit anthem, I was agreed with.
The 3 lions song, come on
good effort though, made me smile,
edit, maybe now I will try below if I can work out how to multi quote myself
Ah well, well done England you feckers
something like this, if I’ve done it right, sure shows how anti English I am, couldn’t be bothered to keep looking incase the multi quote went wrong. Have a nice day
I think Southgate would be called a genius if the same game plan came from a more admired manager.
The English back 5 closed down effectively our wings with Gosens and Kimmich, and since our own ingenious (ex-)manager had no other master plan than attacking on the wings, we were reduced to play through the middle. Which is without a real central forward an absurd undertaking considering we were playing undermanned in the middle because of own back 3.
So kudos to Southgate who simply watched the other German games and realized that the only team we could beat were the Portuguese who inexplicably opened up the wings for us. Southgate also figured out that he didn't have to worry any further, because our brilliant (ex-)manager vigorously refused to ever prepare a Plan B...
It was never so easy to beat us with a simple tactical move, and IMO Southgate executed it brilliantly. It took some balls doing it, though, especially at home.
This is just grudging honesty. I think the ' Typical English acting like a bunch of spoilt knobs in a mob ' and 'Oh right, yeah, I couldn’t give two shits tbh, I just hope you don’t win the whole thing' are probably indicative of your feelings as regards the English
Nice one babe
That's a fair analysis - but you can also shut down wingbacks playing in a 4-2-3-1/4-4-2. You don't HAVE to throw on extra defenders to do that.
Man United had a good success rate against Chelsea playing the 3-4-3 formation, it just relies on your team knowing who has to track who.
Anyway, he got the job done and that's all that matters. I have a feeling this thread would be different though if the result went the other way.
Nice backtracking, puts Lindelhof to shame
He got a bit lucky with the Muller miss and it was a miss not anything to do with Pickford on that occasion.
He’ll have to set up differently against Ukraine now. England are expected to win that one, no excuses about hoodoos and jinxes
Yawn
Agree with both of you here. I certainly wouldn't say we won in spite of Southgate but I also don't think he did anything special tactically except set up in his usual cautious way. It worked against the Germans but watch him try it again against Ukraine. If he does, I wouldn't be surprised if they caused an upset and obviously the post match discussion around Southgate will be v different.