Day 17: England vs Germany | Sweden vs Ukraine (Ro16 7&8)

The meltdown in here is worse than its gonna be when Ukraine do us in a few days. Is 90% of the Caf Scandinavian?
 
It’s like the Gods of Football want it to happen. Sweden would’ve been harder opponents. It is definitely coming home.
 
I don't understand how it's not Lindelof's fault. He should be closer to the only man in the box considering it was his side the cross was coming in from. At the very least, he should assume there's a man behind him and jump for the cross instead of ball watching.

sincher said:
Absolutely not a mistake by Linda. Like Pogba he had a good tournie and is unlucky to be out.
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What am I missing?
 
Gator Nate said:
First, he held the player onside...

Then, he backed off instead of leaping at the ball.

Take your pick.
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He played him onside by and inch and the ball is there to be won by his partner. No CB would ever blame that on Lindelof but let’s see it on here.
 
Never Victor’s fault.
The ukrainian guy had all the time and space in the world to whip in inch perfect cross.
 
Gator Nate said:
First, he held the player onside...

Then, he backed off instead of leaping at the ball.

Take your pick.
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This is so obviously wrong. He was holding the line, the man behind him is not his man, and the ball was not reachable with any leap, it was perfect. The only way that goal doesn't happen is if the man behind him stops the attacker scoring, or if he is offside... but Lindelof cannot afford to step up there when he knows his mate is in line.
 
Jev said:
You don't get a red card.
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They have been.

If you kicked a lad in the face recklessly attempting a bicycle kick you would be sent off. I remember there was outrage that Luiz didn't get one for kicking Koscielny in the head a few years ago.

Mane got sent off for kicking Ederson in the head trying to go through on goal.
 
Abraxas said:
It's not for the outcome, although the outcome is clearly a function of the type of position the defender went into.

The red is for a challenge that is dangerous, that is what the rules are telling us. This means a certain amount of jeopardy is built into the rules when you lift studs or move towards the ball high, or lunging from a distance which is naturally less controlled.

It is not the outcome that is defining the red card, it is when the above actions are applied to an opposing player in the form of a challenge. So yes you can lunge in exactly the manner the defender did when nobody is around, because it's not a challenge.
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So what do you call nobody around? Because when he kicked the ball nobody was around, it was the moment after because it's the Ukraine player who ran into the foot already in the air rather than the foot lunging into the Ukrainian player?
 
fecking hell a country my Grandad had to wait 60 years of his life to gain independence is in the quarter finals of the Euros against the country he travelled an entire continent at 21 to eventually call home.

God I wish he was still around right now.
 
fecking shit we lost this game (Sweden). Late subs and some bad luck with the chances missed.

Ukraine played well though and smart plan.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
I don't understand how it's not Lindelof's fault. He should be closer to the only man in the box considering it was his side the cross was coming in from. At the very least, he should assume there's a man behind him and jump for the cross instead of ball watching.



What am I missing?
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That’s just not how the position works. You play the man you can see. It’s perfectly over Lindelof’s head so it’s his partners fault that he doesn’t play the ball.
 
RobinLFC said:
Every challenge is dangerous then, so you're gonna be dependant on the outcome of the challenge whether it's a red or not and not sure I agree with that. Otherwise - I agree with your second paragraph which is why I don't agree that it's a red, I have no clue how the rules are nowadays but just saying that I don't agree with it.


Defending is dead if you wanna apply that rule. There's always someone nearby when making a tackle, so there's always some "dangerous" element in it if the attacker decides to lunge himself into your tackle or gets in an unfortunate position where he ends up injured.
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Every challenge is not dangerous, though. There are controlled actions towards the ball, such as those where the player remains on his feet, or slides across the floor in an action that is looking to steal the ball. These are never likely to be red cards so it is not accurate to say any tackle can be a red or that it is outcome based because of this.

The refs interpretation seems to be that when you are uncontrolled in their view, which seems to be high, lunging, studs up type challenges that they deem dangerous then it becomes a red card when it is in conjunction with a challenge. It is only outcome based if you call challenging for the ball an outcome, as opposed to lunging for a ball with nobody around. This is what seems to be getting confused, that you can do this in some instances and not be punished. However, there is no inconsistency in this because it's not a challenge on a player.
 
diarm said:
They have been.

If you kicked a lad in the face recklessly attempting a bicycle kick you would be sent off. I remember there was outrage that Luiz didn't get one for kicking Koscielny in the head a few years ago.

Mane got sent off for kicking Ederson in the head trying to go through on goal.
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Mane got sent off because he went studs first, if you connect with the man above the ankle with studs showing your going to walk.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
I don't understand how it's not Lindelof's fault. He should be closer to the only man in the box considering it was his side the cross was coming in from. At the very least, he should assume there's a man behind him and jump for the cross instead of ball watching.



What am I missing?
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That’s just not how the position works. You play the man you can see. It’s perfectly over Lindelof’s head so it’s his partners fault that he doesn’t play the ball
RedDevil@84 said:
As per caf, he would need to track any runs ahead of him, behind him, and fly high in the air and block any shots coming from front of him and behind him.
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Exactly. As usual the criticism goes way beyond reality.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
He did nothing wrong for that goal. Have you played CB? Please explain?
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So only someone who has played as a CB can comment on a CB's performance? So SAF can't comment on them?
 
It was a pretty decent game in all honesty, with a dramatic ending. Extra time was a bit of a slog though.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
As per caf, he would need to track any runs ahead of him, behind him, and fly high in the air and block any shots coming from front of him and behind him.
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The over analyzing of defenders generally, after the fact, is hilarious most of the time. A whole generation growing up watching pundits explain how every goal is a basically a defensive mistake which is not true.
 
Seriously though, who on here has actually played the game where you try to kick a ball in to the back of the net more times than the other team!?
 
padr81 said:
Mane got sent off because he went studs first, if you connect with the man above the ankle with studs showing your going to walk.
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Er... yes. Tonights entire point summed up in a nutshell.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
It’s a perfect cross that goes behind him. If anything the other CB should deal with it as he can see the play and cross.
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Reminds me of caf claiming that it was Lindelof's job to deal with a player running through the middle, though the player ran right in front of AWB and he was caught ball watching.
 
I expect many red cards in the future. Perfect slide tackles but the forward falling is the exact same thing.
 
Lindelöf haters always sitting ready with their dicks in their hands, ready to pop up and start wanking first chance they get.

People really are dimwitted enough to think you can finish 2nd, with margins, in the PL with a shit CB playing most of the time.

You just don’t make sense.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Have you even ever played football?
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Yes as a CB by whole career. You play the cross you can. If the ball goes over your head you rely on your partner to clear it. Are you a CB?
Jippy said:
So only someone who has played as a CB can comment on a CB's performance? So SAF can't comment on them?
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With all due respect you aren’t Alex Ferguson. Have you played the position? That provides a unique view point.
 
The one thing lindelof did bad was being deeper than the rest of the other defenders meaning he plays a guy onside behind him which means he can't affect the goal and neither can his team mates
 
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