Day 17: England vs Germany | Sweden vs Ukraine (Ro16 7&8)

Shaw and Maguire were the two best players on the pitch. Shaw set up both goals for England.
 
alexthelion said:
For the first 20 minutes then he faded and did nothing after.

Maguire, Shaw, Grealish, Rice and Sterling were far better.
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Over to course of the game. But Saka was comfortably the best in the first half. Therefore he warranted his selection.

At half time you'd have called for Kane or Sterling to come off rather than Saka. They then proved why they should have stayed on.

We're all experts on here but one man has all the pressure and he got it right.
 
ivaldo said:
Utterly nonsense. If Sterling misses his chance and Muller score his does that all of a sudden mean the tactics were wrong? If Ole puts 3 CBs up front against Peterborough in the FA Cup next season and we win 1-0 in added time with a freak own goal does that mean Ole got his tactics spot on. Have a think.
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You are simply comparing international tournament football with club football which is totally wrong. You won't get chance again for another four years to win it.Don't talk rubbish by comparing international football to club football.
 
RobinLFC said:
You can be both delighted with the win and still annoyed with Southgate for his dumb team selection at the same time.
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didn’t you want the team to get smashed before kick off.

perhaps give the manager credit for beating Germany for the first time in a tournament since you know when.
 
bsCallout said:
Over to course of the game. But Saka was comfortably the best in the first half. Therefore he warranted his selection.

At half time you'd have called for Kane or Sterling to come off rather than Saka. They then proved why they should have stayed on.

We're all experts on here but one man has all the pressure and he got it right.
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Spot on post.
 
Fortitude said:
England are marginally ahead of Sweden in head-to-heads. The last few games have been more in England's favour, but there was a long period of draws against them and Sweden won't go into that game feeling like an underdog, imo.
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Should we not kinda wait and see how they do vs Ukraine. Doesn't seem like a given by any stretch of the imagination.
 
I've given Southgate a lot of stick but the only game he's got it wrong in so far is the Scotland game. Been abused for his selections and subs all tournament yet hasn't conceded a goal and look quite comfortable so far.
 
Rajiztar said:
You are simply comparing international tournament football with club football which is totally wrong. You won't get chance again for another four years to win it.Don't talk rubbish by comparing international football to club football.
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I'm comparing knock out football with... knock out football? It's 'result orientated' after all. You said that 5 minutes ago. You could literally use that exact same example in knock out tournament. It doesn't take much brain power. Go on. Give it a go!
 
Wasnt happy with the selection when I seen it, but that's why I'm a fan! Fair fecking play to Gareth and the lads, they done themselves proud! Still not conceded a goal in the tournament either! We could be on to something here!
 
Only more games, bigger tests, will show us if Southgate is doing the right thing. Right now it's too difficult to really say.
 
ivaldo said:
I'm comparing knock out football with... knock out football? It's 'result orientated' after all. You said that 5 minutes ago. You could literally use that exact same example in knock out tournament. It doesn't take much brain power. Go on. Give it a go!
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You really think international football and club football are same. Give it a rest mate.
 
Marwood said:
Only more games, bigger tests, will show us if Southgate is doing the right thing. Right now it's too difficult to really say.
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Beat Croatia, not a bad team.

Beat Czech Republic, not a bad team.

Beat Germany, not a bad team.

All deserved wins that didn't give the opposition many chances at all. At what point do you admit that he might have got something right ffs?
 
Fortitude said:
England absolutely don't have to play like turtles, they have the personnel and the quality to exasperate their opponents up until the final.

I think the minimum expectation for Southgate/England now is to reach the final. Even shit-housing it there won't matter if he gets to the final.
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They don't but neither do Belgium, France last 2 competitions, Portugal for the last 8 years etc... When is the last time a national team who plays on the front foot won a major competition.
Germany 2014 if I'm correct... before that we had a very pragmatic Spain team win 3 comps in a row. So between EC and World Cup, one attacking team has won it since 2008.
 
sincher said:
No, you have it wrong.

Some so-called fans don't seem to care about winning games, only about constantly attacking even when it doesn't make sense to do so. Brainless attacking dumps you out, just look at France yesterday.

All England fans should be delighted with a good win today.
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Of course you should be happy with a win, but let's not get carried away. Germany were utter shite and a better side would've shit all over Southgate today.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
didn’t you want the team to get smashed before kick off.

perhaps give the manager credit for beating Germany for the first time in a tournament since you know when.
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Yes because they played exactly like I thought they would before they brought on Grealish, mind-numbingly boring and that's not what I want to watch as a neutral. Of course England fans won't care about that but I do.

I'll give the players credit they won. They didn't win because of their manager, but because they're good players and they faced the worst Germany side in 25 years. But well done of course, never easy to beat them in a KO game during an international tournament.

bsCallout said:
It's not dumb because he got it right.
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As a manager you put the best team out to succeed, but he had to make a change first before he gave his team that chance. So unless you're gonna argue that it was his master plan all along to keep the Germans at 0-0 until after an hour and then bring on the people who could make a difference (fair enough), then he didn't get it right but got bailed out by his players.

A game of football is decided in fine margins, you can't just say he got it right because they won. Would he gotten it wrong if Muller scores his wide open chance and Germany goes on to win it, despite not doing anything differently than he did now?
 
RobinLFC said:
Yes because they played exactly like I thought they would before they brought on Grealish, mind-numbingly boring and that's not what I want to watch as a neutral. Of course England fans won't care about that but I do.

I'll give the players credit they won. They didn't win because of their manager, but because they're good players and they faced the worst Germany side in 25 years. But well done of course, never easy to beat them in a KO game during an international tournament.


As a manager you put the best team out to succeed, but he had to make a change first before he gave his team that chance. So unless you're gonna argue that it was his master plan all along to keep the Germans at 0-0 until after an hour and then bring on the people who could make a difference (fair enough), then he didn't get it right but got bailed out by his players.

A game of football is decided in fine margins, you can't just say he got it right because they won. Would he gotten it wrong if Muller scores his wide open chance and Germany goes on to win it, despite not doing anything differently than he did now?
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Jesus Christ. So the manager deserved zero credit. Pathetic.
 
big rons sovereign said:
Of course you should be happy with a win, but let's not get carried away. Germany were utter shite and a better side would've shit all over Southgate today.
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I don't agree! Some people are just never happy.

I mean you are right we shouldn't get carried away, but it was a good win and a good performance, and I think England are a team all other teams in the tournie will respect. It is not necessarily the case that England will be beaten by the first 'good' team they play, at all. For a lot of people, that team was Germany, but we beat them, and one of the big reasons they didn't play well is because we neutralized their main threats, the wing-backs. The best chance they got was the result of a brainfart pass too, not anything to do with tactics.
 
padr81 said:
They don't but neither do Belgium, France last 2 competitions, Portugal for the last 8 years etc... When is the last time a national team who plays on the front foot won a major competition.
Germany 2014 if I'm correct... before that we had a very pragmatic Spain team win 3 comps in a row. So between EC and World Cup, one attacking team has won it since 2008.
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I'm not even sure it's about being very attacking, but far too cautious and not putting any real creativity in the team. Bringing on Grealish has upped our attacking play so much each time. Could've easily started him.
 
fecking get in

Really enjoyed that.

Happy for the players and Southgate.

It's coming Rome
 
sincher said:
Beat Croatia, not a bad team.

Beat Czech Republic, not a bad team.

Beat Germany, not a bad team.

All deserved wins that didn't give the opposition many chances at all. At what point do you admit that he might have got something right ffs?
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Jeez, think that's the first time I've said anything about Southgate. Maybe calm down a bit?

As you say we've beaten some not bad teams. We look really solid as well.

My only point, which I didn't think was saying very much really, was that I'm not sure we can say either way if he's quite got the approach right. I'm fairly neutral about him.
 
I'd prefer Ukraine. Sweden look like a pain to play, judging by their group games.
 
I think that, as things stand now, England are the clear favorites to win the tournament.
 
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