Dithering Dave is cocking up the transfer window? Colour me shocked!They've known Rice was gone for 6/7 months and that they were getting at least 80M but they look completely lost and stunned.
Amateurish stuff, they will be blowing their fecking bubbles in the Championship next year.
Don't remind me. I still have PTSD from that day.Dithering Dave is cocking up the transfer window? Colour me shocked!
It's just a shame Fellaini isn't still around so they can buy him for twice his buyout fee when that expires on deadline day.
Hilarious that you reckon everybody on here’s an idiot but you.West Ham's quiet transfer window has bugger all to do with Moyes,
Hilarious to see that some think it does!
He would have come up with the targets along with the technical director, up to the technical director to then get the players to sign, this hasn't happened.
JWP is far from their first choice target which means they've been rebuked by other clubs for their original targets.
Comments like 'Dithering Dave is cocking up the window' says it all surely!?Hilarious that you reckon everybody on here’s an idiot but you.
Are you able to tell us why you are apparently such an expert on West Ham’s internal operations?
Think there is a power struggle going on at West Ham in terms of recruitment and they are not happy supporters.
What is laughable is that WH are trying to low ball offers for players when everyone knows they’ve got a pot of gold after the sale of Rice. What’s even more surprising is that they didn’t get players lined up before completing the inevitable sale of Rice.
Moyes will pay the price though with his job eventually. They are currently weaker than last season now that their best player has gone and they struggled in the league last year. They’ve got lots to do before then.
We are happy to help though…..McTominay/Maguire/Donny - take your pick?
They don't have a pot of gold though.Think there is a power struggle going on at West Ham in terms of recruitment and they are not happy supporters.
What is laughable is that WH are trying to low ball offers for players when everyone knows they’ve got a pot of gold after the sale of Rice. What’s even more surprising is that they didn’t get players lined up before completing the inevitable sale of Rice.
Moyes will pay the price though with his job eventually. They are currently weaker than last season now that their best player has gone and they struggled in the league last year. They’ve got lots to do before then.
We are happy to help though…..McTominay/Maguire/Donny - take your pick?
12 months ago you could have swapped in Bournemouth and Forest for Luton and Sheffield and nobody would have argued with you. Promoted teams usually come out with a bit of fight about them.
The Hammers start away at Bournemouth who have strengthened, and you would fancy to at least get a point at home if not win outright and then they face Chelsea and Brighton before an away trip to Luton. They could roll up to Kennilworth road without a point on the board and even if they get something there they then face City. I can easily see them copying Leicester as @RedSky mentioned and managing 1 point from their opening 7 games.
There's a reason Ward-Prowse hasn't been picked up yet, and it's because he's a shite free-kick merchant.
He'll be a late window panic buy at best for any PL club.
That's what mid table club with limited resources should do. Sometimes I wonder if West Ham has scout network outside of England.If they have any sense go to french, dutch league players for cheap.They are in europa league so need players in quantity. If they spend large on pl players they will be in trouble.
That's what mid table club with limited resources should do. Sometimes I wonder if West Ham has scout network outside of England.
They've signed Paqueta, Scamacca, Kehrer, Aguerd and Areola in the last summer window. The idea that West Ham doesn't sign players outside of England is weird.That's what mid table club with limited resources should do. Sometimes I wonder if West Ham has scout network outside of England.
They've known Rice was gone for 6/7 months and that they were getting at least 80M but they look completely lost and stunned.
Amateurish stuff, they will be blowing their fecking bubbles in the Championship next year.
West Ham's quiet transfer window has bugger all to do with Moyes,
Hilarious to see that some think it does!
He would have come up with the targets along with the technical director, up to the technical director to then get the players to sign, this hasn't happened.
JWP is far from their first choice target which means they've been rebuked by other clubs for their original targets.
Not sure exactly what you're getting at here?Nothing's ever Dave's fault of course. Every Chairman, Ceo, Dof and Director he's worked under has failed him.
The fact that Dave is the common denominator between them all and their combined dithering is pure coincidence.
There’s something quite ironic about this after he panic bought Fellaini for an inflated fee at United.The more he and West Ham dither more are the chances they would panic buy both Maguire and Mctominay for the inflated fees at the end of the window. I thought they were nailed on to get JWP now it is off the table too. Absolute clowns.
Comments like 'Dithering Dave is cocking up the window' says it all surely!?
A club/technical director comes up with a list of targets along with the manager, it's then up to the negotiation team to do the rest, the manager is relatively helpless in that respect.
Do you really think JWP is their first target?
Doesn't take a genius to know he isn't.
My point was JWP was definitely not your first choice.The bloke contributed to about 15 goals last year in a really poor Southampton side. West Ham only scored something like 40 in the entire team. I think that alone is probably a large part of the reason Moyes wants him, in our dour formation a MF contributing to 15 goals either through goals or assists is hugely important.
He is 100% a Moyes player, I've heard that from someone within the club itself that much (I'm not in the ITK by any means, but I know someone fairly high up in the West Ham youth system on the coaching side so I do hear bits and pieces that slip into general conversation.)
Moyes also has a veto within the transfer committee. I think in reality he is going to have to make compromises to his desire for a strongly British core this window as the costs are absurd
This transfer window has all the hallmarks of a David Sullivan special, underbidding for players, nickle and diming every possible option, agreeing bids then leaving the player for weeks as we try and look at other alternatives. Moyes probably doesn't help with that either, especially when the players he wants are probably 50% higher than what in reality they should be cost wise.
The other reason West Ham are going for homegrown players is the homegrown rule. We are now in a position where it is limiting squad size so we do have to get a couple in, even if we lose a couple of the non-HG players soon. Another reason why JWP is wanted, and also one of the main reason why Maguire is wanted as well from what I've heard. If he wasn't HG we'd not even look at him for the costs suggested.
Not sure exactly what you're getting at here?
Under Moyes last season they made nine transfers....
They get a new technical director in to oversee transfers this window and look what happens!
Couple that with a distinct lack of funds and you have a helpless Moyes and a lack of transfers.
My point was JWP was definitely not your first choice.
It's was clear a move for Phillips from City was your first choice but that was a non starter, also it would appear that McT proved too expensive for you judging by numerous reports from a month ago and so that too was scrapped leading to the third, possibly forth choice in JWP.
For sure Moyes has a say in transfer targets, most manager work alongside the technical/footballing directors to come up with a list of first, second third choice targets etc.
My point there being that Moyes isn't to blame for the technical director not being able to get the deals over the line.
Nor is he to blame for West Ham not having the cash due to FFP restrictions.
It's OK to dislike Moyes mate, but don't let it cloud your judgement!Poor Dave, he's so unlucky. Same thing hapened to him at United. Woodward didn't sign any of his very reasonable targets for him. Ronaldo, Bale, Fabregas etc and ruined his big chance.
Next job after that the director at Sociedad only spoke Spanish and no one told Dave. At Sunderland they got relegated but it wasn't Dave's fault because they were a mess and nearly got relegated the season before and the board didn't back him either.
As far as I am aware, and you will know better than me, but FFP is a big concern, you are on the 'watchlist' which means your outgoings will be purely based on the incoming fees (Rice) minus the £30m you are over the FFP limits by, which would give around £70m.I know categorically that JWP is *one* (I don't know about Phillips, may have been paper talk though) of Moyes first choice through a contact I have within the youth system (I'm not ITK mind you, I just hear certain things from them, I'm sure they know much more but I'd probably be told to F off if I asked!). We have however been putting feelers out for many players for some time now as its been obvious Rice was off for some time.
FFP restrictions aren't really much of an issue at the moment, but we do basically have to spend what we make now. So at the moment we probably have a budget of 120m that needs to stretch over quite a few possible targets.
Moyes is being very stubborn over targets he wants, and basically feels like he has a right to get the choices he wants after the cup win and the last 3 years in general. The problem is those players value have vastly inflated this summer beyond what Sullivan feels comfortable paying (total packages of 50-70m on players who are getting on a bit age wise), and it doesn't help that our new technical director thinks much of the signings Moyes wants are way overpriced versus what you can find in Europe.
As a primer in how poorly we are being handled, we have a 4 man transfer committee, with Moyes going one way (British), the new technical director pulling a different way (European) , Moyes having an effective veto on the other choices, Sullivan basically underbidding everyone because he isn't sure who to trust so wants to just get 'bargins' and spread the money out more rather than or a few expensive players but they don't exist right now really. All of this is why absolutely nothing is getting done. The ultimate buck likes with Sullivan here for not backing one or the other of them with proper bids, instead he is just half-arsing everything.
We've basically got a "this town ain't big enough for the both of us" type scenario going on and its absurd.
As far as I am aware, and you will know better than me, but FFP is a big concern, you are on the 'watchlist' which means your outgoings will be purely based on the incoming fees (Rice) minus the £30m you are over the FFP limits by, which would give around £70m.
This would appear to be not far from the truth if the £20m or so offers for the players you've been linked with are to be believed.
Who do you think you'll end up with?
You have a few really good young players who seem to be ready for a bit of first team action but you certainly need more especially with European football again.
Caftards have stereotypical views on English clubs which if somebody were to say things similar about Spanish or Italian teams would be deemed as bigoted.They've signed Paqueta, Scamacca, Kehrer, Aguerd and Areola in the last summer window. The idea that West Ham doesn't sign players outside of England is weird.
Caftards have stereotypical views on English clubs which if somebody were to say things similar about Spanish or Italian teams would be deemed as bigoted.
It's OK to dislike Moyes mate, but don't let it cloud your judgement!
Is JWP not a realistic target? I think he is. Phillips was pretty realistic especially on loan, so was McT, but unfortunately for Moyes they have been priced out for that and Phillips didn't want to move.
Don't think any of this can really be levelled at Moyes.
