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David Moyes Unemployed | European Champion
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Feels like West Ham are morphing back towards what we were in the 20-21 season, particularly in the 2nd half with a really solid base but very effective counter attacking players.
Rice leaving has allowed us to refocus our base which was barely functional when Rice became less of a true DM and started to undertake runs into the upper parts of the pitch last season. Alvarez is basically performing the 20-22 Rice role when he just used to sit in place and mop things up. Obviously not as good as Rice but the structure is far more effective than it was last season when round pegs being shuffed into square holes all for Rice to try and become a better attacking player.
Rice leaving has allowed us to refocus our base which was barely functional when Rice became less of a true DM and started to undertake runs into the upper parts of the pitch last season. Alvarez is basically performing the 20-22 Rice role when he just used to sit in place and mop things up. Obviously not as good as Rice but the structure is far more effective than it was last season when round pegs being shuffed into square holes all for Rice to try and become a better attacking player.
Say what you want about him. His teams are disciplined, organised. Everyone knows their role and responsibilities. Without the ball, they keep their shape.
Fundamental basics. Why cant Utd do this under ETH? The fundamentals. Why?
Fundamental basics. Why cant Utd do this under ETH? The fundamentals. Why?
If only we had backed him he would be winning European trophies with us.
Why couldn't Utd do this under Moyes?
So c'mon feel the Moyes.
Its a very good question.
It was exactly the shape issue that was why we did relatively poorly in the league last year. Once Moyes figured out how to get #the shape back despite Rice becoming a more attacking player our form shifted back towards a top 10 teams. This year with Rice gone we've been able to restructure the team and it really has helped.
He wanted Ronaldo, Bale, Fabregas.
Man has an eye for talent, what can you say?
I think maguire will regret not going to WH. The organisation, deep defensive line and protection for the CBs would have suited him and his game.
Also JWP is an astute signing.
He wasn't given a lot of time to. And that transition was a total cockup probably on all sides but he has his responsibilities.
We'll never know, maybe it's true that with Moyes MU would have hit a ceiling of finishing 4th to 7th (then again... It's almost what ended up happening), maybe he was too small time for us, and that brand of defensive football is not always easy to sell on especially when you're a "big club" (it's not forbidden per se, Mourinho was given liberty for it, I suspect bosses like to have more panache and entertainment though)... but maybe he could have done a job at United as the great British coach playing the good old counter.
This West Ham job proves that his Everton tenure wasn't just a one-off, Moyes is allegedly temperamental enough to manage to do his job despite his bosses not being... optimal if not passively hostile (he's on sack watch since last year).
Even this transfer window started with him and the new technical director being at loggerheads (reportedly) but they did have what appear to be a good summer recruitment wise mixing both his targets and the ones from Steidten.
That said, as noted above, not the cheapest team builder.
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If they had a better centre forward, they'd be a dark horses for the EL places. The 5 they have in midfield is not bad at all.
He suits Everton and West Ham was never capable of taking on a bigger gig than that.
Unos, dos, très reasons.
Like to see him do well now given the viciousness of his time at Utd and after. Yep he wasn't up to it, but a very short spell when the club were not prepared for the change.
Too big of a club for him in all honestly. He's just that type of manager where the likes of Everton and West Ham.are suited to him
Because he got zero backing and Woodward couldn’t wait to get the knife out so he could bring in a “big name” to impress the sponsors.
Maybe if he got more than three quarters of a season it would have been different.
JWP playing and excelling under David Moyes is just one of those signings that feels right
I wonder what the Brighton media love in brigade going to say about this one.
It is harder to command respect from a bigger club like United. The fans weren't behind him and the players weren't behind him.
I saw the game v Fulham that we drew 2-2. We were 2-1 up in the 88th odd minute and went on a counter. They'd put everyone forward. Januzaj was running up the wing and if RVP had carried on a run he'd have had a great chance for an easy goal.
He stopped. Started adjusting his socks and shin pads.
Later on they scored.
RVP is absolutely class. He would bust a gut for Alex Ferguson. He didn't respect Moyes (why would he?) and those marginal gains are exactly why Moyes failed here.
I saw the game v Fulham that we drew 2-2. We were 2-1 up in the 88th odd minute and went on a counter. They'd put everyone forward. Januzaj was running up the wing and if RVP had carried on a run he'd have had a great chance for an easy goal.
He stopped. Started adjusting his socks and shin pads.
Later on they scored.
RVP is absolutely class. He would bust a gut for Alex Ferguson. He didn't respect Moyes (why would he?) and those marginal gains are exactly why Moyes failed here.
DDG
Rafael - Rio - Jagielka - Evra
Carrick - Fabregas
Ronaldo - Rooney - Bale
van Persie
Rafael - Rio - Jagielka - Evra
Carrick - Fabregas
Ronaldo - Rooney - Bale
van Persie
Would've walked the league if we had listened to him.
10 months is more than most failing managers get at big clubs.
Time wasn't Moyes issue at United. David Moyes being out of his depth and crumbling under the pressure was the issue.
I think Moyes had the time to grow into the role at West Ham/Everton. He's been allowed to make mistakes and have the odd duff season. The expectation levels at Man Utd are just so much higher and very few managers are going to be given the time required to allow the manager to grow into it. Getting a scrappy 1-1 draw at a relegation threatened West Ham is different than it was at a Man Utd used to Title challenges.#
Of course once he has had times to mould a team, they become very effective and clearly capable of getting into European football on a regular basis, as both everton and now West Ham have proven.
Utd was just too big for him and it was too big of a change up being the scenes to expect him or anyone else to excel. Truth be told clubs like Everton and West Ham are the clubs that he is suited to.
Doing a good job at West Ham, beat two of the best managers in the league 2 weeks in a row. He's always got these results in the past, but West Ham will have a periods where they will struggle and the questions will be asked of him again.
Doing a good job at West Ham, beat two of the best managers in the league 2 weeks in a row. He's always got these results in the past, but West Ham will have a periods where they will struggle and the questions will be asked of him again.
To be honest he had his faults and he was probably a little... intimidated, too shy ?... of having the SAF legacy dumped on his lap. I think he both tried to fill the shoes to show he was up for the job but that first summer and season was wasted and he didn't really put his stamp on the team.
Wonder if Ferguson shouldn't have brought him one year as an assistant or co-coach ? Unusual, for sure, but so was Ferguson's tenure, his role at the club and supposedly the choice of Moyes himself as a long term solution, opposite to all football business trends.
And he would have done if he hadn't failed so miserably.
Plus he was sacked with 3 games to go. He had almost an entire season.
He was a neurotic wreck suffering 'performance anxiety', whilst half the players were on the way out physically and started checking out mentally even more quickly once Moyes came in, let half the staff go and brought in mid-range replacements - hence they weren't particularly enthused by the idea of adopting his grind-football and behaving like they'd just finished 10th instead of 1st the season before, for a start...
Moyes is a good manager, always has been. However, I think the United job was a step too far for him as, like Mourinho, he will do best at a club that's not really expected to go out and win everything. I will say he was unfortunate to come into United when he did with Woodward also coming at the same time.
Watch them fly into Champions League reckoning.
Moyes will be top of the league at Christmas and all the talk of him being sacked will be laughed at.
since knee jerking is in today
Moyes will be top of the league at Christmas and all the talk of him being sacked will be laughed at.
since knee jerking is in today
I don't necessarily disagree though given the whole statement of intent implied he would have more to mould the team... at least when he signed. He did get less time that most managers after him (but they had better results).
Water under the bridge.
Wasn't that worried when I heard the news he was United's manager, the day I really started to worry was when I heard he was replacing a Champions League winning backroom team with his own that had won nothing. I still think losing SAF and the backroom team at the same time has had repercussions that can be seen even to this day.
I'm sure he learnt a lot from his time at United and to be fair has rebounded well.
I'm sure he learnt a lot from his time at United and to be fair has rebounded well.
It was obvious by October 2013 that Moyes was out of his depth at United. He's a very good PL manager and has done a wonderful job at Everton and West Ham, but that's his level. Let's not be revisionists now.
He is a very good manager for what he is, and WHU are perfect for him, but let's not rewrite history. He was never going to succeed here and the job was way too big for him. Sure he didn't get as much time as the next managers but I don't think that would have made much difference. If anything, that's the only time in the 11 years post SAF in which we acted quickly and didn't wait for a miracle to happen.
Happy for what he's achieving at WHU because he comes down as a nice person, but that doesn't change anything regarding his United stint.
Happy for what he's achieving at WHU because he comes down as a nice person, but that doesn't change anything regarding his United stint.
Sounds like Alex quit on a dime so there wasn’t really time to do anything like that. Had Moyes just stayed at Everton he probably would have been much better off. He had just signed John Stones and would have spent the Moshiri money far better than the clowns who came in after him.
A Moyes Everton with Lukaku would have probably finished top four.
People seem to forget that he lost the dressing room. He walked into the club with a weirdly big ego and it didn't come off well with the staff, or the players. No matter how poor West Ham were, they still played for him. So maybe the spells with us and Sociedad humbled him a bit.
Just like Alex was out of his depth coming on from Aberdeen. He was given time to adapt.
My god, the "but Sir Alex!" excuse again.
We could have given Moyes 200 years and he still wouldn't have been good enough.
If anything, we gave him too much time. Real, Barca, Bayern, and City would all have sacked him before Christmas. That's the benchmark we have to compare against.
And I say that as somebody who likes Moyes and rates him highly as a solid PL manager.